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Yeah yohimbe 9yohimbine ??) can in strong enough doses give a mild stimulant (expresso coffee mild) which raises the metabolism and burns more calories.. it also has a thermogenic effect (eg your body runs a few degrees hotter) which uses a lot more calories..

Mates of mine used to run herbal high health and head shops in Holland so Gruana / Ginsing / etc etc etc are all things I have come accross pretty often.. When I used to work 20 hour days or had to work a 36 - 48 hours straight I used to keep a 200 pack of these type of pills in the glove box.. trying to drive from Berlin back to NL at night after you have already been awake for 36 hours could be a nightmare.. Everyone has slightly different body chemistry and some herbs work better on some people than others.. There was one herbal combo horse pill they sold that had (if you munched 4 or 5 times the dose) a near amphetamine strenght with none of the horrible after effects of chemical speeds..

Currently I am taking 2 chinese ginsing each morning.. They really increase energy levels through the day.. You have to sample a few of the ginsing products though as some seem much less potent than others and the price or box labelling seems to have very little bearing on the quality effect..

I have found that the herbal uppers that contain caffine in high concentrations gave me shakes and bad stomach.. Ephidrine based ones are ok but Gruana ones were the cleanest (for me) and with the least sides.. Really could keep you bouncing through a busy day even on only a couple of hours sleep. I am sure these are usable as part of a diet exercise regime and am surprised theres not more discussion of it..