Originally Posted by JayBee
You guys both make legitimate points. It's two sides of the same coin. When I was in high school and college, I had loads of pretty GFs. But I also started a rock band, and was a decent-looking guy. Even then, to get GFs who were better than stupid bimbo groupies, I had to be smart enough and sensitive enough to be able to play their games, and win or, at least, break even. This sometimes included some serious ass-kissing, and the best ones, invariably, wanted to run my life, at least on days/weeks/months when they were ahead in the game.
I ended up marrying the best of the bunch, a beautiful Italian girl, who started out totally trying to dictate my life, 24/7. She tried to treat me like I was her pet lap dog, there to come when called, and do tricks to amuse her friends, when she commanded. Her looks and the fact that she was an incredible lover, gave her a big edge on me, so I was really tested. It was only after she lost me to other girls numerous times, that she finally came to be under my thumb, and agreed to play by my rules. And that is how she got me. Of course, marriage, kids, and the passage of time eventually changed that. By the time, we divorced, she was back in control and had my head seriously messed up.
Mr. Lucky, you are a smart guy. if you are smart, not bad-looking, sensitive, and willing to play their games, you can really pull some great girls, when you are a young man, athough, even then, your choices will be limited.. If you happen to be very handsome, and have money, then you can call your own tune, and hve the choice of many fantastic girls. There are really some incredible young American women, who are smart, fascinating, terrific companions, and wonderful lovers. If a guy can get that, then why go to LOS? It is the best time of your life, and it's more or less free. And at least, you know where you really stand with the girl, since it is not about the money.
But if you are a pretty average or below average(50% of guys are)guy, with not anything special going for him to attract the best girls, then, unless you are extremely lucky, or happen to like fat and/or ugly girls, then the situation for you is pretty grim, and much as So-cal describes it.
And once you hit 40, then, by default, more or less, you fall into the same miserable situation as the younger avg/below-avg guys. Because older farang women, with very few exceptions, if they are attractive, are very demanding, tend to quickly lay it on the line, as to what conditions are acceptable to them for having a relationship. They are tough negotiators who make little room for compromise. They are very willing to go it alone, if they can't get a guy who will play by their rules, and they make that very clear. They are not at all like young women, many of whom are very sweet. Only guys who are very successful and confident, can avoid this dilemma, because they can still get younger girls, or the few older babes, who haven't become like bitter fruit from an old tree.
Mr. Lucky, you obviously did OK for yourself and had some nice GFs. But the operative word there is had. If you could still do just as well as when you were younger, would you have gone to LOS to find a wife? Going to LOS subtracted 15 yrs m/l off the equation for you. And it is not like you could not do a lot better than the average guy in the US, because, IINM, you are smart, decent-looking(or better), and well-heeled(enough to be able to live 6 mo. in LOS, 6 mo. in the US, which is not an easy trick to turn). Plus, of course, you are "lucky," which is an intangible characteristic, which only a few guys have, but counts every bit as much as looks or money, when it comes to pulling women.
So-cal, on the other hand, seems like a fairly average guy, who was not blessed with the patience, or game-playing skills that it takes to successfully navigate the perilous waters of the US dating scene. He speaks for the plight of the average man, and, although, he is not an eloquent speaker, he is, IMHO, to the point, and on the money. Especially the part about $200 wh*res treating guys like shit!!!
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