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Originally Posted by Petter
Are you saying they need to be provoked to behave like asho...Dont know about FIFA or UFEA,they can be so corrupt they want,have problems to anderstand why footbal fans cant behave when they travel to a foreign place to watch a game.Good atmosphere,what is that? make a lot of noice and trouble ?
It goes over and over again,but of cource we can not blame the idiots that cant behave 
And this was a CL final,then we maybee have to accept that the two teams with their fans cone into the spotlights,not anybody else.
And from the news reports i read they have notting to be proud of,buts that maybee normal in footbal today,thats just the way its is,is it ?
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I don't understand really what you are saying. English football has changed to the extent now where more families are traveling to European away games, rather than just your hardcore "i want to get into a fight" fan nowadays. I have been away with Chelsea in Europe several times and there were a lot of families there.
A lot of the trouble that is caused is by opposing fans that want to have a go at the English because we are the "so-called best hooligans in Europe".
There will be a minority of fans that want to start trouble, but if you look at recent history, its the English fans who are provoked rather than them starting the trouble.
Look at what happened in Seville and Rome this season for instance.
We could go back over the last 5 - 10 years and the fact is more often than not, english fans are targetted rather than starting the trouble several other examples are Middlesbrough at Roma who had to be kept in the stadium for a couple of hours after the game had finished for there own protection. Millwall in budapest when they played Ferncvaros, several fans were put in hospital with stab wounds. what was even worse at that game was the Millwall fans had been behaving, then were forced to defend themselves. That tragic night in Istanbul, where 2 leeds fans were stabbed to death. Chelsea fans being pelted by coins and lighters in Marseille (I came out of that ground with a few extra euros) I also believed that Liverpool fans had a battle a while ago against Roma in Rome or was it AC Milan, (well one of the two anyway) Manchester united fans being pelted by rubber bullets by cops in Porto back as far as 1997. Again manchester united fans being injured by cops in their tie against Inter Milan back in 1999.
The chances are when British clubs are away at either Spanish or Italian clubs, and this is from personal experience, it's not just the opposing fans we have to worry about but the cops as well.
The problem is the REPUTATION that English football has, and that is harder to shift.