[Dodger]

Why are you continually missing the point i am trying to make. I am not suggesting you should have smoke blown in your face, but am against the government telling every person, that from such and such a date they will allow no smoking in any public establishment.

That gives me NO CHOICE, to go for a beer or a meal and stay inside that premises and enjoy a cigarette. I am trying my hardest to say, if they gave the owner of the separate businesses, not all public places, just bars and restaurants a choice rather than making a law, with fines etc for breaking it, then if he advertised his premises was non smoking, we could go there together, only I could not smoke, but then I would have chosen to go there and accepted it was a non smoking establishment, just as I do on public transport.

Your choice to not be exposed to toxic fumes is accetable, so you would not go to a bar that allowed smoking, but we would then both have choices of where to go. When they bring in these total non smoking bans, not all of us are then left with a choice, you are suggesting, that because I like to smoke I should stay at home to do it, get real?? what social choice is that??

Smoking is not illegal, after asking you twice already, tell me why they have not outlawed it? its so repugnant, its creates so many toxic fumes, I explained to you regarding the explosion in numbers of propane outdoor heaters effecting our world's environment, but heck lets ignore this because your preferance is not to be exposed to a cigarettes smoke!!! but your preferance ignores mine, is that equitable???

Also how much is cigarette smoking affecting your health as a non smoker? compare that to all other toxic fumes, from factories, car exhausts, gases, how much does alcohol affect your health? high fat diets? some of these things are illegal, why not put the same resources into policing illegal dumping or minimising toxic factory fumes??

You will end up paying a lot more in either tax or increased costs, because of lost tobacco taxation revenue's, unfortnately I cannot put that into an individual amount, but reckon if i came round and asked you to pay the said sum, plus the cost of its collection and administration, you might just come down a little and agree on a very basic point I'm trying to make, let me have a place sociably I can go and enjoy a drink with my smoking friends and others who accept a smokey environment, and stop all this big brother state telling me what I can or cannot do everywhere in the country I live in!!