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Loads of nothing being said at this point. I want to address a few things though...firstly, the attacks on Liam are ridiculous. I really hate how so many people here base their opinions on Thailand from a small sample group, in both directions. I also hate the "preaching" about Thai culture. A good example is how people go on and on about how others should learn about Thai culture basing this all on their own experience. It was brought about by Jaybee how the most exalted in Thai society are the humblest of monks, this is true, it is also true that in line with buddhist tradition materialism has no place yet if you look at much of Thai culture that you are basing things on, bg scene for one, materialism is a driving factor. I met a very lovely Thai bloke about 25 who told me how he will likely never marry because he does not earn enough money, pretty sad and not in line with the very principles of Thai culture in many ways.
Then the whole subservience issue came up. Thai women are subservient, but so too are Thai men, that is a part of the culture which is a demure and kind culture.
The whole bollocks about western girls being hard up and desperate for attention is unfair and stupid and serves more as payback I suspect from blokes who wouldn't be getting attention in the west at all, came here, and suddenly got attention...albeit often false. I am 1,56, I am hardly a giant towering over thai women, and even if I was, I do not think that would detract from how I look on the outside or inside. I wear heals here to be taller every day and night as I do not like being so short. Admittedly there are many girls who have a hard time here, many farang girls who likely would also have a difficult time in the west as well. Shame how many men have so much sympathy for guys in this position as I have read several times on this board as a defense of the bg scene(the comment for example, isn't it nice that someone who would otherwise be lonely can come here and meet women that give them attention if even for pay etc made by a poster from australia I believe) yet the women are met with disdain if this is the case. To me it wreaks of bitterness on the part of the men writing this negative shite.
Personally I have not had a bit of a problem whether farang or Thai men, as I like Thai men I am also quite fortunate to be in Thailand. Certainly the fact that I am short helps, but I know a tall swiss girl who also has had no problems pulling in Thailand.
In Liam's defense, it is hardly a misnomer to say that there are differences on many levels between farang and tg's. TG's, and boys, come from a more submissive culture, most men do find that appealing as a trait in women. This is particularly true, as I mentioned before, when a many comes from a culture with domineering women...sweden I use as example. On the other hand, I can also say that I recall sitting in Stockholm at the Thai embassy to get my permits and the number of girls there who spoke no swedish and no english with their "husbands" astounded me. I do not know what someone can base a marriage on, or a relationship for that matter if one is unable to communicate. In Bangkok I went out with a bloke who spoke less english than I do Thai. It did not go past one date as I found it too difficult to mime the whole time and thus disinteresting.
Now, YES BOYs I AM HERE!!, my impressions of patong where I was last night with a person I met on this board actually who asked to meet me:
It was not offensive in any way. I never thought it would be. I was disgusted, literally sick, from seeing some of the men the girls had to leave with, but I did not ever feel uncomfortable anywhere other than that factor. And if you flame me because of that, oh well, but when I see a girl walking away with a man and know what she has to do and he is old and wrinkly or just nasty looking, my sympathy is with her!(and before you lot attack you damn well know you have the same empathies if you see bloke pull or walk out with a girl that looks a mess)
Unlike Pattaya the girls do not seem to be jumping out at any male that walks by, it is seemingly contained in each bar...very good! There were some families, couples, and all sorts of people. I would say the mean age was quite high though, young guys were scarce in comparison to older, confirming what I already thought, the average age being somewhere in the 30's. There were some younger blokes but mainly of the UK/Irish variety...looks wise not in my demographic either. Most of the bar girls were ok looking for TG's but my Thai girl friends are hotter than most of the bgs hands down. Some of the bgs were stunning though but perhaps they all start that way and the lifestyle wears on them.
Attention was, as I suspected, not at all a problem for me, so you "attention craving" theorists can try for another theory. I found it interesting, not offensive (except when I had to see some really nasty blokes on their way home with tiny bg's), and a bit of a good time. I still would prefer Phuket Town though I think as I like Thai men and in Pattong do not trust the motives as much as I would in a mostly Thai environment...luckily I have made two Thai Girlfriends already with whom I will go to Phuket Town. Incidentally, for all those who go on and on about how acceptable it all is, my Thai friends who grew up here in Phuket told me how they hated to go to Pattong because they are always worried men will think they are bg's. One girl is, in my opinion, very beautiful and single and wants to meet a farang man...but a cute one as she put it. To this end I will do my best to hook her up.
I can certainly see myself pissed in Patong on many a night, but in general I am not usually attracted to touristy places anywhere I go preferring to learn from and mix with locals as much as I can so it would never, regardless of bg scene, have been my first choice venue. I think when I crave western company it may be somewhere I would hang out though as there is such a range of people from the ubiquitous brits, to the more reserved swedes and everything in between. All in all it is not disgusting just a different scene.
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