[LivinLOS]

Just looking back up in this thread.. it is impossible to discuss this topic without strong opinions on many sides.. abortion is not something that allows you to sleep peacefully at night... I have no belief in 'god' (lower case) but was dragged up by catholics.. I only believe in 'morals', self control, and self determination.. however..

IMHO (apologies in advance) early enough stem cells and multiplying cells / genes / whatever we are, is not concious.. I came close to making some tough choises as a teenager, I used powers of pursuation that I still think about.. but my life has had freedoms that a father could never have risked, moments I would never have had, my only responsibility was to me, survive, sink or swim, the postman (milkman / Rover employee / guy that works in the factory down the road) can never live that life, it aint all roses but I will take the dizzying highs and sickening lows of lifes roller coaster over the middle ground any day, yet I could never do that if I was a Dad..

For many its the best thing that ever happened (ask Nicke).. when I grow up and know what I am gonna do I will tell ya..