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07-03-2005, 00:48
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Prison visits
Has anyone done this while in Bangkok and got an experience to share?
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#2
07-03-2005, 01:57
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I read a couple of the books: The Damage Done by Warren Fellows, and Forget You Had a Daughter, both convicted heroin smugglers.
These places sound terrifying and I would take an awful lot of persuading to visit them. There is a 'prisoners abroad' website and I think that they will put you in touch with people locked up out there. Just checked, here is their website. http://www.prisonersabroad.org.uk/ Last edited by steve@thaib : 07-03-2005 at 02:00.
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07-03-2005, 12:42
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When l was in Bkk at Xmas l was thinking of doing this......but the website l went to said that you had to be a relatiive so l put it in the "Too Hard Basket"
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07-03-2005, 17:49
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Hey,
I have read "the damage done" while in Thailand last year and it made me want to go and visit even more because of how they are treated. I had a Thai person call for me and they said I needed to alot of stuff but I had not got time. I have read on a number of websites that you dont need to be a relative you can just go and visit a prisoner during the designated times and the only requirement is that you put it by the prisoners embasssy. I am hoping to get the river boat up to Bangkwang(Hilton) when I arrive in Bangkok in June. Check this site out -> http://bangkwang.net/ It's interesting. Mark
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07-03-2005, 19:53
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Went to Bangkwang last year. Planned on visiting a prisoner but was given the wrong visiting hours. The place is so intimidating. Looking at the watch tower from outside the gates makes your hair on the back of your neck stand up. Couldn't even begin to imagine what its like for those inside.
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07-03-2005, 20:24
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Yeah I think it will be very nerving visiting but it will also be an experience and some good will be done, it will brigthen someones day/week up.
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07-03-2005, 21:51
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All the pedophiles murderers and drugsmugglers will be really happy... Why would you like to go and "brighten" up their days? Im not flaming, just wonder why you should pity them....
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07-03-2005, 22:16
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Well I wont be going to visit a murderer/rapist/paedophile, How will I know? because the embassy can provide me with this information. I dont believe that all drug smugglers in there are guilty but the majority probably are..thats not the reason anyway. The reason I would like to visit is because of the conditions the prisoners must live in and the harsh sentences they must serve, To me these people dont deserve this regardless of how much heroin/pill/etc they tried to smuggle. We all make mistakes.
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08-03-2005, 03:13
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[quote=IreMark]The reason I would like to visit is because of the conditions the prisoners must live in and the harsh sentences they must serve, To me these people dont deserve this regardless of how much heroin/pill/etc they tried to smuggle.QUOTE]
Bollocks. Heroin smugglers should be put against a wall and shot.No second chance for these bastards.I'd shoot them myself  Have you ever seen the misery the stuff they hawk to a person causes 
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08-03-2005, 03:52
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Everybody makes mistakes, and has to take responsability for their actions. If they are stupid enough to try to smuggle drugs, they must also be prepered to take the consequences of it. And i dont feel any symphathy for them. They destroy so many lives for their own profit. So if you ask me, let them rotten....
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08-03-2005, 04:51
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I have seen the damage and misery heroin causes to a person and entire families and I do hate the drug. I do understand both of your opinions but to me its not as simple as that, there are plenty of angles to consider from both sides.
I'm not trying to justify heroin smuggling or anything of the sort, If you look into some of these peoples backgrounds and think what made them do this? young and foolish? Life or death? set up? I just dont think some of them deserve the sentences and very few people in the world deserve to live in those conditions. Mark.
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08-03-2005, 05:04
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Mark
I can agree with you that some of these prisoners should not be there,and for you to want to visit one of them to maybe cheer them up is a nice gesture. The point is for me, is that everyone knows the penalties for drug smuggling/taking in Thailand.If they are supplying,then irrespective of their social background and reasons,I cannot condone it.They deserve every day they spend there to reflect on what they have done.Most people also are aware of the conditions inside the Bangkok Hilton and if they still want to risk their freedom and lives for their wretched occupation then to be there is no less than they deserve. We will all have an opinion on this,and I side with Tarzan in this case.Let them rot
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08-03-2005, 05:43
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I suppose with the way the laws are in SE asia how do you know if they even done the crime that they were sent to prison for? There is an Irish guy just released after serving about 15/20years for murdering a buisness partner but he had an alibi and evidence to prove that he was not the one that killed the guy but they just overlooked all that and brushed it aside, And tortured him until he signed a confession and convicted him regardlessly, And even to this day he protests his innocence. So its not always clearcut, And I think being put in prison for life is bad enough but to live under them circumstances is wrong, Even for murder or drug trafficing, The only one's I can not defend is peadophile's because they deserve everything they get as long as they really are guilty, And the only problem is can you ever be 100% sure they did the crime. Thats why the death penalty is so harsh and cruel, How many people have been executed only for later on they find out it was not them in the first place.
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08-03-2005, 08:51
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Interesting thread..
I'll try not to be holier than thou and just say I think ALL people deserve some sort of dignity, even criminals. Bangkok Hilton does NOT offer such, I really could care less what your crime is, from a human point of view you still deserve to be able to carry out your sentence with a degree of dignity and humanity, even if you did not offer your victims such.
That is but the only thing that seperate man from animal unless one are a hate monger driven by sadistic desire seeking revenge on behalf of humanity, do not bring me into that equation because I belive dignity and humanity is important even if it is while awaiting the execution if that was the werdict. ( I do not belive in the death penalty either as you might gather..) You might argue a individuals actions does not warrant being treated with humanity and being allowed to keep his dignity, you maybe right but anything less would say more about the system mistreating the individual then the criminal and the crime itself..
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08-03-2005, 15:44
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The police is corupt. The legal system is just a "train wreck of justice system failures".
The jailes are more than bad and disposal and torture are common. Think we all want drug trafficker/dealer etc. in custody. But in thailand are just to many wrongful convictions. And if you have money you can avoid a lot..... Just an unfair system. IMO BTW heard that Phuket prison is worse than bkk hilton. Hugo
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20-02-2006, 11:11
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Australian Foxtel Program
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I have dragged this thread up again mainly for the Australian BM's who have Foxtel (AD will for sure to watch his greyhounds) Docco on Foxtel Channel 648 on Wednesday Nite at 7.30 on the Bangkok Hilton....might be interesting.
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20-02-2006, 11:38
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Will have a look at the doco have read some magazine articles on "bangkok hilton" and a mini series was made (fictional)about it (was it Nicole Kidman in it?).
And now to Herion Smugglers etc. I would also pull the trigger if It was a clear cut case,but in some cases just not sure if really guilty and thats the problem no 2nd chance when your dead !!!! This is the reason I dont agree with the death penalty(unless 100% sure) many times an person has been excuted only to find out later they were innocent.
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20-02-2006, 12:09
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. The reason I would like to visit is because of the conditions the prisoners must live in and the harsh sentences they must serve, To me these people dont deserve this regardless of how much heroin/pill/etc they tried to smuggle.
We all make mistakes.[/quote] Try and explain that to the parents of people that have died because of drugs or who's adict kids have resorted to theft and prostitution to support their habits. At the end of the day these people are in it for greed and are well aware of the consequinces. IF YOU WANT TO RUN WITH THE DOGS THEN YOU SHOULD'NT PISS LIKE A PUPPY.
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20-02-2006, 12:18
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Let me get this straight.. You would personally shoot any herion dealer ?? In any 'deal' there is a buyer and a seller.. The seller didnt force the buyer to buy it.. The buyer wanted to buy it and the seller provided it.. To me that is a private arrangment between 2 adults and I personally think that its no business of the law or society to be involved. Of course smack is a hard and highly addictive drug (though how 'damaging' it is is constantly overplayed.. Look at Lifelong junkies like William Buroughs to see you can live a long healthy creative life while still being an addict).. Of course any crime commited by junkies should be punished to the full extant of the law but personally shooting anyone who sold a 10 bag of brown.. Seems a little extreme. How about the off licence who sells a 6 pack of Tennants super to the towns homeless drunk ?? While I consider it no ones business but my own, I have tried smack on a few occasions as I like to let no experience pass me by. I may have even bought 2 wraps and passed one to a friend. Are you suggesting you will happily shoot me for that action ?? How about the person who has already let addition get control of them and instead of robbing or stealing funds a habit by supplying, do they deserve death becuase they lost control of thier addiction ?? Sometimes I think drug paranoia and propoganda in the world has created some very odd positions in people I would consider smart and well informed. Sure if you cant do the time, dont do the crime.. Expect punishment to follow being caught for breaking laws of a society.. But to claim to be happy to kill someone beacuse they choose a different intoxicant for these nice government taxed and controlled ones.. Thats hard for me to reconcile.
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20-02-2006, 12:35
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You want to brighten someones day?? Visit a hospital or a seniors home or a school. I call bull shit. I think you're like a person driving by a car wreck and you just have to see for yourself. Nothing wrong with it, there's something fascinating about human misery, but don't make it out to be a noble cause. Who deserves your visit more, a convicted felon or a Thai orphan???
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20-02-2006, 12:36
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And just another point on the shooting herion dealers angle..
In post 9/11 Afganistan to increase US favour with the Afgani tribal warlords the US gov has / had (I am unsure of the political climate currently) given huge leeway to once again grow poppies.. Where the Taliban had ruled with an iron fist and extreme strict measures and made this increasingly difficult and more expensive the US, to buy favour, let it happen.. The 2 years after the US invasion allowed bumper harvests.. The import price of bulk smack all along the trade route from the mountains through to Istanbul, Turkey, S Europe, etc the prices fell dramatically and the volume exploded.. Even down to a street price level this had an effect. This was a known and calculated effect made by our 'leaders' to buy them favour. Smack for local favour in Afganistan... Coke for Guns (Iran / Contra).. These things happen continually all the time.. Ollie North doesn sit in Bangkwang he kept his mouth shut and was given a promotion..
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20-02-2006, 12:37
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Now THAT I agree with.. There are plenty more deserving causes...
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20-02-2006, 16:21
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Very good post LivinLOS.
To quote the master of comedy/prophecy Bill Hicks. "Drugs have had a positive infulence in the world. For those of you who don't believe me go home and burn all of your records and CD's, because the people who wrote that great music you love were really high on drugs. So they took drugs, wrote really cool music, therefore drugs had a positive influence. The Beatles were so high they even let Ringo sing some tunes." Heroin only becomes a problem when the addict cannot afford his habit and then turns to crime to buy drugs i.e theft, prostitution etc. If you were a millionaire you could walk around off your tits all day and bother nobody. BTW I have never taken heroin and never intend to.
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