Russian Scrubbers

[Lightemup]

Part 2:

Condoms are readily available in any supermarket or pharmacy. And while you're there, pick up a few soft drinks; who wants to pay mini-bar prices ?

Get in the habit of asking for her number if the service was good. Unless it was a bad experience, I always do. Sometimes, you just don't feel like going out. And, if you call in the early evening, she saves the bar entrance fee.


1. Don't pay for the whole night up front.
2. In a hotel room that has a mini-bar that is not under lock and key, take out the expensive bottles of booze and put them in the safe.
3. Block the long distance calls on the phone.

Point: If possible, take them back to your place. No need to give up the home court advantage unless you must.

Point: Be polite (remember, word gets around), but don't get screened in by ladies you are not interested in. A polite "no thank you" should do. You don't want to get blocked in as, if you are with a lady, no other lady will cut in. You want to be approachable (for the chinese), or free to move if CIS are your targets.

Ramadan:
Bars, clubs still open. No bands/music. House lights up. Close at 2am, not 3. Still plenty of opportunities; street action limited.
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EXAMPLE

This is an old post of mine (11bravo) of a Cyclone experience which I'll repost as I feel it is still valid and appropriate here, to expand out on Sporadic's post.

* Point 1: Even with the best advice, chances are, you will be overwhelmed the 1st time and pay too much. Just let it be a one-time experience. Don't sweat it; makes a good story later.

Saw a number of nice ones floating around. Chinese early, other nationalities arriving later. Stood by the same russian girl from last week, again guys dog-packing her, or giving her the piece of meat stare.

* Point 2: You don't need your whole group of friends to go with you when you talk to a girl. Likewise, standing 1 meter in front of her, leering, will not endear you to her. Be a bit more subtle when you check her out.

Some chinese came over for a "job interview", but a number passing by. Had to check to make sure I was not wearing the invisibility cloak.

* Point 3: You will get known; turn down too many girls, too many times, you will be flagged as a non-player, whether correct or not.

Debating whether to slide over to York, but as I'm cheap, figured I'd get my money's worth and stick around. Around midnight, things picking up.

* Point 4: Always a trade off of walking away from one bar for another (maybe we need a bar traffic report number you could call into, see what the action is: "Cyclone, moving freely; York, lot of congestion" ). Before midnight is early, but the later you stay, the shorter that LT is.

Spied a chinese girl, Sunny, who'd I'd not seen in 6 months. She came over, some small talk, asked if she should hook me up with a friend (passed), then moved on. Average face, but VERY nice rack.

* Point 5: Sometimes, girl hooking you up with a friend works, sometimes not. My advice, exercise caution, as most times, it's someone who speaks little english, with little experience.

Had several cute potentials, but never could make eye contact, and too lazy to give up my bar seat to go chase. Did not see either of my 2 regulars, so decided to go track down Sunny.

She was over in "Chinese corner", talking to another chinese. Asked her what she was going to do; she replied "Make business", and went back to talking to the other chinese girl. OK, didn't think she had turned into a madam, so asked in another way, "How about making business with me?" Ah, that got a different response. Now all of her attention was directed at me. I've pulled her before; I knew what services were on offer; didn't meet my specs 100%, but was willing to overlook due to her nice rack. However, it then got to price; she wanted 600 whereas I'd paid 500 before (which is my ceiling). She wouldn't move down; I wouldn't move up. She explained "good night for business". Fair enough; true market economy. With me, she's a bit of the pro, but that's all right, we just don't click as GFE. It was not worth it, to me, at that rate.

* Point 6: All of us set our own price; it is a free market.

As we were negotiating (or actually, not negotiating), over her shoulder I'd spied another tall girl with a nice rack, couldn't place the nationality. After Sunny left, the tall girl was pulled over by a chinese I'd turned down earlier. Tall girl was chinese/russian (CR). Very nice looking; cut to the chase, and asked price for LT. What I heard was 400. Before I jumped at something too good to be true, wanted to clarify; maybe she was quoting ST tourist price.

* Point 7: Always make sure you fully understand all the details, especially price, before leaving.

I was right to clarify; it was 700 for her, AND she wanted me to take the other girl, "no problem, she new, little english, no money, can give small money, only 400". 1100 total? Nope; pass on that. It was not going to be a 3some, but more cutting the other girl in on a "naive player" deal.

Declined; so she switched to "give her what you want"; declined, so it was "take me, only 700". ONLY 700? She gave me the "I'm new, need money, have to pay entrance, apartment, etc., etc". Don't mean to sound hard-hearted, but I understand they're here as they need money, not for the DSF; that's a given. So any explanation superfluous. I declined, offered 500; there was no counter offer and she walked away.

* Point 8: Sometimes you let them walk.

It's a subtle difference for me; Sunny's explation was OK (market) ; CR's was not (I don't want to hear a justification of your prices).

Cruised around a bit more. Stopped next to a cute Krygistani doing a little dance to attract attention. Enjoyed the show for awhile (both her and the leering buffoons). Out of curiosity, asked for a price quote; "900, 800, 700, 600", as one statement. I didn't hear the magic 500 price point; she was cute enough she'd try for a customer at the higher end; didn't feel like seriously negotiating for services/price, or sticking around as the evening ran out. Also, her LITTLE english was not enticing.

Walking back to Chinese corner, trying to move in on a cute chinese I'd been seeing the whole evening. Then spotted one of my regulars, Sue. However, when I tapped her on the shoulder to say hi, she bolted away. That was unexpected. After a discreet time, walked over to find out WTF THAT was about; she quickly replied would talk to me later; hopefully, she was lining up a customer and, like us, didn't want to be blocked from the real target.

Went back to move in on previous girl. Saw Sue and CR talking; now CR was back, saying she and Sue were good friends; Sue had said I was an allright guy.

* Point 9: like I said above, you will get a reputation that will be shared, for good or bad.

However, she was not mentioning a drop in price. Maybe she would, maybe she wouldn't. I'm the first to admit, I will cut off my nose to spite my own face; I now wasn't interested in trying to do a deal with her. Once I give a definitive No-Thank-You, that's it. There are just too many other girls around, and I always figure, if you really beat the price down, what kind of service will you get. I just prefer to start fresh. I wandered off. [Note: this was a mistake; lost an opportunity; in hindsight, should have re-opened negotiations, and might even have paid 700 for the experience rather than wondering what she would have been like].

Over the next 30 minutes, kept bumping into Sunny (she hadn't met her price point yet) ; CR and Sue had disappeared.

* Point 10: Be prepared to accept the consequences of your decisions. You are not the ONLY player in town.

I hate to admit, I was leaning towards Sunny; the 600 stuck in my throat, but her rack is NICE. But I just didn't want to contribute to price inflation. [One question, gentlemen: who is responsible for this inflation? Have seen it several places: Cyclone girls who accepted 500 now want 600; York girls who accepted 400 now want 500) ].

[Lightemup]

Part 3:

Back in Chinese corner; spotted a little pixie who'd I seen earlier a number of times walking around; never could make eye contact. Now, stopped to talk. Once I initiated the conversation, got the good vibes.

* Point 11: Not every chinese will come over and initiate a conversation; sometimes you will have to make the 1st move.

Asked about services; favorable response. We did a bit of the dance about "how much you give / how much you want". She quoted 600; I offered 500 (for me, that's reasonable Cyclone price for LT). There was a bit of a pause, then she said OK.

* Point 12: You can achieve success at your own price point. As I mentioned in a previous post: you set the tone; it's not so much control as not being played.

* Point 13: It is a business, but you can have fun at it.

* Point 14: Pay After. Mention this before leaving bar. Best to pay after; if money requested up front, be cautious. Point 14 is not cast in concrete; it's a guideline. But in my experience, I've had more bad experiences than good when I've broken it.

* Point 15: If possible, take them back to your place. No need to give up the home court advantage unless you must.

* Point 16: Carry, or have, a variety of denominations of currency (suggest dirhams) to pay exact change. For example, if you get a price of 450, don't expect change from a 500; she's not a bank.

* Point 17: To swing a deal your way, offer to cover incidentals (prime example: taxi fare).

* Point 18: Even making a good offer, you can and will be turned down, based on any number of the lady's criteria. No big deal; there are others.

* Point 19: Be very cautious of deals where you pay a 3rd party in the bar. For experienced players only (I don't consider myself qualified to do this).

* Point 20: Be polite (remember, word gets around), but don't get screened in by ladies you are not interested in. A polite "no thank you" should do. You don't want to get blocked in as, if you are with a lady, no other lady will cut in. You want to be approachable (for the chinese), or free to move if CIS are your targets.
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End of tale

I bow to a person with such knowledge, who is willing to take the time and write a report like this

[Izzy]

Yeh kudos to the guy who wrote that...was interesting+informative. Kudos to you for posting it!

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Izeickl

Yeh kudos to the guy who wrote that...was interesting+informative. Kudos to you for posting it!

Agree with Izeickl, lots of info there. I've been to the UAE a few times and thought I knew a bit. You live and learn. Thanks Lightemup.

PS Lightemup. I'll be back in town in early October. You will have to come over to ours for a BBQ and a few cold ones. I can arrange transport and you can doss here. We don't bite.

[Lightemup]

Yeha, we've been locked down here in the IZ for the last couple of days because of the raised threat level after the stampede.
My main prob is I cant spend the night somewhere else, have to sleep here at our villas, technically we're "on duty 24/7" you know how that crap is...But let me know, situation changes all the time here anyway.

[georgelondon]

i was stopped by a russian scrubber on soi 7. she wanted an outrageous amount of cash for just a couple of hours!! in the end she started laughing because she knew she was taking the piss. sad thing is some newbie tourists to bkk will take her up. not realizing for same price they can have a better looking girl for a few days for same money...oh well..we live and learn.

george

[umarbangkok]

If You Are Looking For Russian Girls In Bangkok Go To Mikes Place Hotel In Soi 3 Sukhumvit Around 20 Of Them There For 2600 Bahts For 1 Hr Upto 8000 Bahts For Full Night. Another Place Is Novotel's Discothque In Siam Where You Get The Same For 100 Usd Full Night.

Coffee Shop At Grace Is A Good Joint To Find The Ones Who Did Not Get Work And Are Still Waiting For Customers Till 3 Or 4 In The Morning. Also Spasso In Hyat Cud Give You A Few Russians Who Managed To Sneak In Despite The Strict Management Rules Against Them Being Allowed Single.

You Also Get A Few In The Grace Discotheque But But But I Rather Not Go There.