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22-01-2006, 06:11
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Bangkok Girl
saw this documentary last night on CBC-Canadian Brocasting Channel- which by the way has soem of the most wide-ranging intersting topics fro documentarys of any channel this side of discovery channel.
It was done by Jordan Clark from Vancouver Island i dont really know how to take this one. he definitely tweaked the "bad farang" aspect and talked about the sex trade but wasnt overly negative. the girl in in, Pla, was just a superstar, looks avg but what a smile and a personality. she actaully ended up dying. again, i didnt know how to take a side on it and im actually trying to find his e-mail address so i can write to him and get a discussion going with him 
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22-01-2006, 06:37
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vmps@vicfilm.com his former educator
And for the Producing company of the documentary Bangkok Girl: High Banks Entertainment Ltd. Phone: 250.885.7047 Email: info@highbanks.ca Hope that helps you
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22-01-2006, 06:41
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thanks. i got that, was going to fish around when i got into work to see if i could find his personal email, but maybe ill email the production company and ask for his e-mail did you see the documentary? what did you think?
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22-01-2006, 07:04
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Am in ireland did not see it. But I can imagine a lot of truth with a dramatizing focus on negative parts
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22-01-2006, 08:49
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So was it a BG's story or what ??
Very little 'honest' dcumentary stuff done about the scene.. A close friend of mine was involved with film and did probably the best documentary I have ever seen on the glastonbury festival (by doing it gonzo style).. I was involved in some gorilla film making with him in London (no permission, no closing of the street, just get in record and get out) and loved it.. I have for ages had an idea I know would work and sell for the nightlife zones of Thailand but getting it together and financing it has stopped me..
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22-01-2006, 10:43
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Paul did you ever see that film "The Good Woman of Bangkok" I saw it years ago, I think I was 18 or 19 but had not yet been to LOS so I could not arreciate it. I would like to see it again to compare.
DD
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24-01-2006, 00:44
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never saw that movie.
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24-01-2006, 00:46
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it was a bg story. it wasnt the most negatice piece i have seen. did have its negative overtures though. thats why i am interested in e-mailing the producer to have a discussion with him. like i said, the girl, pla, was a star. wanted to make me jump on a flight. just precious
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24-01-2006, 00:57
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24-01-2006, 05:55
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Hey Paul check out this link. I tried looking for the movie but I only found it available on vhs for 350 USD thats wayyyy to much. Would like to see Bangkok Girl though. Did you record it by any chance?
cheers, DD
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26-01-2006, 03:03
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dojo,
i didnt record it, only have dvd. im sure if you send an email they might have copies to send you. i just recieved an email from the guy who made it. seemed very appreciative that i watched it so im sure he will be happy to oblige you, vinny also, i replied and asked him the questions i wanted to ask him, so i will let you guys know what he thinks, should be interesting
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27-01-2006, 01:16
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hi guys,
i emailed this guy who made the documentary. this was his reply. im sure soem people will tak offence but at least he didnt hide behind his film, have to commend him for that Hi Paul, Thanks for the email. I’ll try to answer your question as best I can. The view taken in Bangkok Girl was very black and white but, as anyone who has been to Thailand knows, there is a huge grey area. This grey area lies between complete exploitation of a bargirl to the conniving scams from the bargirls themselves. Unfortunately, my view is that the scene is all connected and by supporting or participating in one area, you are supporting the rest. I’m not condemning the scene itself, just the lack of respect from the Westerners who enjoy it. I am aware that the most damaging sex scenes in Thailand are within Thai only areas. Regardless, I wished to show one girl so people could relate to these girls and generate a dialogue around it. I am not embarking on a mission for change, just understanding. I hold no moral high ground on prostitution, it exists and always will, but the exploitation of an economy and religion by Westerners (economically and sexually) is what disgusts me. Why should a bargirl make $40 (for a night) when the same man would have to pay $120-160 (for an hour) anywhere else? Sure it’s good money in Thailand, but it has made prostitution the only option for young Thai girls with no education. In my experience, and I have spend lots of time in Thailand and the Philippines, the men who partake in sex tourism fall into three categories. 1. Desperate, 2. A-moral – meaning as long as they can justify it to themselves it is alright. 3. Predators. Thailand is victim to all three equally. Although the second is least destructive, it is still not a healthy human trait – most CEO’s are a-moral personality types.
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27-01-2006, 01:19
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27-01-2006, 01:22
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i have basically wrote back saying that i dont agree with him about the type of guy that partakes in the nightlife, and that there are many good guys and also non-desperate guys that just prefer thai girls, and that goign the bg route is soemtime sthe only way. i also poited out that most "good thai girls" end up asking all the same thigns a bg do of you.
i also pointed out that it seems that he spent most his time in BKK, and in my opinion, you do see alot more "undesireable" farangs that stay there. oh well, at east he stood by his opinion
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27-01-2006, 01:39
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27-01-2006, 19:54
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I can say this about myself, Im not desperate. Im not a predator, Im not after little 16 year olds for a freaky time. Just a normal guy who prefers going to asia. Thailand just happens to be one of my favorites. The people, the food, the BM you meet, and oh yeah, the girls. I guess Im a #2.
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27-01-2006, 21:32
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I guess he is putting a-moral as being western christian morality.. In that case I may be amoral..
I dont see how having a GF, living a normal life, but enjoying having freaky sex with lots of other people (and sometimes paying) is immoral but then I guess that proves his point doesnt it  !!
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11-09-2007, 17:46
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I just watched this documentary, interesting indeed and sad how the girl Pla ended up. It is focused on the dark side of the bar scene but it is worth to watch it. The protagonist Pla has a charming natural beauty and an attaching personality.
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11-09-2007, 21:08
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It's interesting. He acknowledges that it is all murky grey and the knife cuts both ways. To tell the story he feels he must put it into black & white, but chooses the politically safe "white men are the corrupter" black angle. Coward.
I'm waiting for someone to show the white side of it. Personally I would take the angle of not so much pro-prostitution but pro-opportunity as I think that is the way the smart ones approach it. Ultimately we all start with the cards we were dealt and go from there. Although it would be even more interesting if someone could capture all the grey. I wouldn't even know where to begin...but that is what it is all about. Anyway just shows you can't just watch stuff on TV and then think you know things. You have to get out there and live it.
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11-09-2007, 21:56
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Pla is alive
from: Falang: Behind Bangkok's Smile (2005) - IMDb user comments
I do have this factual input: 1. Khun Pla is alive and well, living a very successful married life outside of Thailand, with the ability to come and go as she pleases. The content of Jordan Clark's trash may turn out to be very damaging to her and her loved ones. 2. No underage Thai ladies ever worked at the bar in question. 3. Most all of the former staff have gone to rich, full lives. In most cases including happy and fruitful marriages. 4. Many statements by the narrator are clearly false and the community of Sukhumvit and Bangkok are fully aware of the deceit and disrespect shown by the creation and distribution of this onslaught. The distributors, producers and broadcasters participating are in remiss of their duties and responsibilities. :/ but afterall is was a good documentary .....
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11-09-2007, 22:08
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obviously, you are close to the bar that was involved(checkpoint charlie?) thats all well and good and i do believe Jordan Clark may have had an agenda but dont be so naive to paint the p4p scene as so rosy, that is just plain wrong. there is many success stories, but many shit ones also
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11-09-2007, 23:13
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But if the 'facts' presented are false.. Then its fiction and not a documentary !! And he is instantly a gutter journo with no credibility for life.
I dont know that the facts are false.. But I felt the docu 'sold' a narrative..
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