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17-11-2007, 09:10
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World's Most Tasteless Picture?
When we were in Cambodia in April, we heard a story about some 'Americans' who had picked up the skulls at Choueng Ek and posed for pictures. Either there are more dumb, ignorant cretins in the world than I believed or this is the picture.
 They seem pretty proud of their photography skills, and I have to say that their other pictures are good, but this has to be the most insensitive picture I ever saw. They are Canadian BTW, not American.
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17-11-2007, 09:44
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Steve, that pic does not offend me.
But I do find the pic below a bit disturbing.....I won't be losing any sleep over it though.
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17-11-2007, 10:10
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I imagine the time of these individuals demise would be the decider on what is tasteless. Not that this is comedy. But the rule is Tragedy + Time = Comedy.
If these skulls were from thousands of years ago there would be no one alive to be emotionaly attached to the tragedy. but if these are from the Viet Nam war than it is to soon to make light of in a Kodak moment.
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17-11-2007, 16:50
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I have some of those pictures, that is exactly what the memorial is; a glass tower full of skulls and open to the elements. People are encouraged to go there, but I find the idea of picking up the skulls and posing with them appalling. Maybe my inner hypocrite is showing again?
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17-11-2007, 17:08
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Its very sad but the death camp is actually one of the major tourist attractions in Phnom Phen. I though it bizarre until I visited it myself.
The Cambodians at present have little to offer except their terrible history. Apart from siam reap that is what draws the tourist. Who am I to condemn them for making a living. Hopefully their future will be better then their past.
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17-11-2007, 17:17
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Thereare signs up all over the place asking you to show respect, this is not my idea of showing respect.
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17-11-2007, 17:22
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agree with you steve.........
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17-11-2007, 18:44
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They were wrong but they only took a photo. They may not have meant to offend. Many people have probably taken similar photos.
When I was at the death site, tourist were encouraged to take as many photos as they wished to take. I diden't take any and I diden't enjoy bring there. Perhaps I am too sensitive. Anger should be reserved for the perpetrators. Cambodian, I have met are not as sensitave about this issue as we are. Not one single person, as yet, has being held accountable for a single murder committed by the khmer rouge. Thats the real tragedy.
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17-11-2007, 21:27
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So picking those skulls up and handling them is ok? You don't see anything disrespectful in that? I took a lot of pictures in that place, and Toul Sleng. I had mixed feelings about the whole thing myself but, after having discussed it here and elsewhere, came to the conclusion that if we don't remind ourselves and each other of these events then they get forgotten, so taking pictures documenting things is fine. I see it as much as photo-journalism now as tourist snaps. Maybe it's me being over sensitive or hypocritical, I really don't know, but I do find that image shockingly disrespectful.
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18-11-2007, 07:20
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Would taking photo's of an open glass case full of skulls also not be looked at as disrespectful then, i am not saying the people who took the photo were right but the fact that the skulls are in an open glass case shows a great lack of respect for them anyway in my book.
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18-11-2007, 08:22
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I don't see any offence in this at all myself - it looks like a science pic, they are just holding the skull up they can get a photo. If they were blatantly clowning around with it then yeah that's different.
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18-11-2007, 09:25
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I also dont see offense... If they had been stood there holding it and grinning to camera then sure, bad taste.. Doing anything silly with the remains or playing about would be horrendously bad taste.. But that to me is merely highlighting the obvious tragedy and allowing the image to be captured..
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19-11-2007, 02:22
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i agree with you i will say i went to the Killing Fields by myself one reason is i think places with such history is better viewed on your own 2nd reason is i had no friends 5555 but on a serious note, i was pretty suprised at how surreal i felt being there i really didnt think it would hit me like that but being in a place that was a scene of such horrible things really made me feel shitty
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19-11-2007, 09:01
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I stood in the same place, I do have pictures of the skulls but I would no more touch them than I would walk on somebody's grave.
I'm a bit surprised that so many people are seeing this in a different way to me, but I guess that's what makes the world an interesting place sometimes.
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19-11-2007, 09:12
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the killing fields monuments in PP and Siem Reap are two of the most spine chillingly sombre places I have ever been to on earth......I am almost paralysed being there and could no sooner take a picture than handle a skull
I am plagued by memories of the skulls
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20-11-2007, 03:08
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I don't see how a close up of the skull in the guys hands is considered 'posing' with them. Unless there's other pictures with them grinning and looking like a@#holes with them, I don't see the problem.
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20-11-2007, 03:15
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But why pick it up in the first place...? I can agree that its tasteless, in that meaning people pick up the skulls to pose with them.. Why not just take a pic, without touch them? That is the most annoying thing there is, tourists that think they can do what they want just because they paid an expensive flight to somewhere. Its the same with guys going to the bars. They have heard about it, get there and get pissed, and think they can do what they want with the girls just because they can flash with some money. Disrespectful and in my book totally wrong..
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20-11-2007, 03:24
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Wouldn't the majority of the guys on this forum fall in this category?
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20-11-2007, 03:33
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I wouldn't think so. For what its worth, I happen to think the same as the OP and Tarzan. Take a photo of the skull if you must, but why does it have to handled? It doesn't show much respect for the person who had a bullet put in his head all those years ago IMO.
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20-11-2007, 03:36
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Well.. Cant speak for the lurkers out here, but among those i have met, and i have met quit a few, i can clearly say its not like that. Never met anyone, except that fukcer FFF, that has had bad attitude towards the girls.
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20-11-2007, 04:52
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Setanta-
I thought this was timely. Khmer Rouge Leader Is Arrested http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/20/wo...a/20cambo.html
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20-11-2007, 14:34
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Im in the ' I think its offensive' group. Skull should not have been handled. Shows disrespect.
Would also say in response to cutter that the BM's I have met and spoken with on this forum have a great deal of respect for the girls. So, NO, most BM's do not fall into this category.
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20-11-2007, 16:18
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At the time a truce was made with the Khmer Rouge, it was agreed that if they lay down their arms and return to their village life, they would be left alone to live out their days in peace. Sometimes peace and saving the lives of the living by ending the killing is more important than revenge. Which is worth more, peace or revenge? In the land of the killing fields, I think peace has the highest value.
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20-11-2007, 16:21
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