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16-04-2007, 18:40
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work permit application receipt - any protection?
have searched here and generally.....
does anyone know if a receipt for a work permit application provides any protection from immigration department if caught working whilst waiting for the permit itself? many thanks 
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#2
17-04-2007, 00:26
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I would 'guess' that until the work permit is approved and 'in your hand' they would still class any 'work' you do as illegal.
 Don't really know , but if you want to take the risk then it's "Up 2 U". 
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17-04-2007, 01:31
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we were always told to carry our permits to work,i am not 100% sure to the above question,but i myself would say from past experiences that you are not covered to work until you have the actual permit in hand.
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17-04-2007, 01:46
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The responses here are correct. You are NOT allowed to work until you have your work permit IN HAND. The receipt does NOT allow you to work...
If caught working while work permit application is still in process, large fines and possible deportation can be enforced. Better being safe than taking the chance...
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#5
17-04-2007, 09:28
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Thanks Dingo, but why do people take the time to answer on subjects they do not know the answer to? two previous posts turned out right (same opinion as yourself) but both said 'dont really know but reckon'.
I was told opposite (by expat?) but not officially commenting until I see my solicitor, which should be later on today, so will ask her, then it is Thailand so still might not get the same answer as interpreted by the deportation officer!!
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17-04-2007, 09:37
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In Thailand do you ever know ?? The rules yesterday are often not the rules tomorrow.. In fact the rules dont really matter at all its the enforcement of the rules thats crucial.
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Men have only 2 emotional states, hungry and horny.. So ladies, if you see me without an erection, make me a sandwich.
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17-04-2007, 10:18
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Yes it is always 'best guess'. You cannot legally work until your work permit is processed - this took nearly a year for us to get a work permit for a new company with many catch22 situations like 'why havent you been paying tax for work you are not yet allowed to do'. You can however use the receipt for the work permit to get visa extensions in KL as you tend to get 3 months Non-Immigrant B each time and this is rarely long enough.
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17-04-2007, 11:24
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Thought you didn't have to pay tax for the first 3 years of a new company? have I just made that up or did this rule not apply to you because you were rearranging an existing concern??
Ah maybe it is you do not have to show a profit for the first 3 years?? I got up early this morning and its doing my head in, can't seem to remember anything!! Found out some good stuff on Mae Sot and bare knuckle fighting though, reckon I'm the local expert now, probably searching tinternet for the last 2 hours is whats effecting my brain functions, going for a little lie down now.
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17-04-2007, 12:01
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You may have a break on corporation tax.. Rob may be talking about showing personal income tax to gain the WP..
It used to be you would get a 1 year non imm B and apply for a WP.. then you would visa run at 90 days while work permit processes.. Now they only issue single non imm B's in Asia.. So you apply for a WP.. Tied to your visa.. Then the visa expires before you get the WP and its back for another non imm B and **** knows what happens to the WP as its tied to the visa.. Dept of labour dont care as its a immigration issue and immigration dont care cos its a Dep Labour issue.. Just another of Thailand great catch 22 systems.
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Men have only 2 emotional states, hungry and horny.. So ladies, if you see me without an erection, make me a sandwich.
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17-04-2007, 12:06
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Also I have heard that theres problems with new companies needing to have a proof of profits to get the WP.. But a new company cant make profits until the farang gets working..
But I make a profit of three and a quarter cents an egg by selling them for four and a quarter cents an egg to the people in Malta I buy them from for seven cents an egg. Of course, I don't make the profit. The syndicate makes the profit. And everybody has a share.
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Men have only 2 emotional states, hungry and horny.. So ladies, if you see me without an erection, make me a sandwich.
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17-04-2007, 14:25
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I dont know the current situation, but before the rules were that after 3 years you needed to show profit if you wanted to keep your wp.
Answer to the poster correct, but the receipt is however valid for renewals of wp. In the past it could take 1-2 months just for renewal and then shortly after you had to repeat the process. So out of 3 months I only had the wp in my hand one month. (In my case as I renew every 3 months, many have 1 year visa extensions and thus yearly wps)
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17-04-2007, 14:54
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So when going to Penang with a 3 month Non Imm B and work permit, I won't receive a 1 year Non Imm B? I'll only receive a 3 month Non Imm B? Looks like I may need to make a trip to Aus to get my 1 year then.... anyone have an educated opinion and know for sure about this?
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17-04-2007, 15:19
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Just started work here again, 5th job in Thailand.
Previously I had always been informed that so long as you have applied for your work permit you would be OK. However, this time, when I started the HR dept. took me down to the local immigration dept. and applied for an "emergency 15 day work permit" which was issued on the spot against a tourist visa. Then did a trip to Singapore for the 'non-immigrant B' when this emergency permit expired. On return the company again got a 15 day emergency work permit to cover me while the application goes through. It seems I will keep renewing 15 day permits until then. Thai Embassy in Singapore told me that every Non-immigrant B is issued for 3 month period and this is extended dependant on the length of your work permit. I'm not sure if the real permit will be through before this 3 month visa expires and I have to do another visa trip to Singapore.
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17-04-2007, 15:31
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Please check what I say with either the consul concerned or at least the ThaiVisa forums.. But I am hearing that the local SE Asian consuls are only giving single entry non imm B's.. and then expect you to extend your visa 12 months in country based on your work permit. This route seems to be forcing people to have taxes paid for thier own min wage and also the employment of thais conditions, profit of company, etc to gain the 12 month extension and hence stopping people getting one year multiples and visa running at 90 days and avoiding those obligations. Just another aspect they are making it harder and harder to get by. Brisbane is still giving multiple entries..
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Men have only 2 emotional states, hungry and horny.. So ladies, if you see me without an erection, make me a sandwich.
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17-04-2007, 15:34
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BTW thats the same for married folks.. No longer can you get a 1 year non imm O based on marriage and visa run at 90 days to not show money in the bank.. Now you get a single entry and have to extend it based on the combined family income of 40k (taxes paid and or embassy proven)..
Its thier way of forcing the extensions in country under thier control.
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Men have only 2 emotional states, hungry and horny.. So ladies, if you see me without an erection, make me a sandwich.
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17-04-2007, 16:58
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Cheers for that. I will confirm; however it does make sense when thinking about it. I get tired of hearing people complaining about Thailand making it so difficult to live here..... now they are just following suit of other countries. Why not pay taxes if you're living here....just my opion..
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17-04-2007, 18:11
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I would be amenable to paying some taxes if I was given a legal long stay visa (not visa running) and had a route to PR and citizenship, the ability to vote, genrally becoming part of society etc.. Some system where I actually became a part of the society..
Thais dont think that way and I will forever outside of thier systems and not given rights, as such I am not holding my breath. Also would be how taxation of worldwide income is dealth with.. Many countries allow your worldwide income (investments, property outside of country etc) to be tax free..
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Men have only 2 emotional states, hungry and horny.. So ladies, if you see me without an erection, make me a sandwich.
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17-04-2007, 19:57
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I have to apply for a new NON-B in few weeks, with wp I have always been granted one year multiple entry. We will see what happens this time.
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17-04-2007, 20:41
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thanks for the replies
on a related note can anyone advise of a decent lawyer (who you have personally used) who gets things done, done properly and can explain things in understandable english? not sure of rule on this one so maybe PM me the details
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#20
17-04-2007, 20:43
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sorry - reason if you hadn't guessed is that my lawyer was highly recommended by a friend but has caused me nothing but grief and thought maybe language / cultural barriers or full of s***- gf spoke to him and confirmed its the latter
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17-04-2007, 20:55
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Lawyer for what ?? Criminal law, civial law, company formations, real estate, visa's etc..
The problem with the legal profession here I find is A) ask 3 lawyers and you will get 4 different answers b ) they have no liability for incorrect advice.. Many of what call themselves lawyers here are really glorified book keepers.. I guess part of that is not having a clear legal framework either.. How can a lawyer do much when todays law is not tomorrow law, phuket towns officer is different to Patongs officer and they all are just looking for some grease money.. My attitude these days is bring only spending money in, minimize your big ticket ownership so you can happily walk away, do what the hell you want and be prepared to pay the fines if caught.. Then again I wouldnt want to work here either..
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Men have only 2 emotional states, hungry and horny.. So ladies, if you see me without an erection, make me a sandwich.
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17-04-2007, 21:00
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Well its either fulfill your issues to extend in country or get used to a LOT of 3 monthly applications for non imm's.. No multiple B's in SE Asia I hear. Why not go non imm O on marriage and show 40k tax paid per month (3 months) between you and Ead ?? That gets 12 month extensions..
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Men have only 2 emotional states, hungry and horny.. So ladies, if you see me without an erection, make me a sandwich.
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#23
17-04-2007, 21:13
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apologies - looking for good lawyer regarding work permit, visa, tax
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17-04-2007, 21:16
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If I get problem I will just do one year extension. I already did changes so I meet the criteria if I have too, but prefer my visa runs every 3 month.
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