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19-09-2007, 23:07
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A very accurate and true to word post LiL.... couldn't agree more
 
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19-09-2007, 23:32
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I think the would easily acknowledge all of that. But that doesn't change thier belief they can have a one way money flow. Money flows in and rich thais get richer. I think at the core they are massively insecure and put everyone else up on a pedestal in comparison. So in there mind opening up or equality automatically equals their losing in their zero sum game mentality. Given how unproductive and uncompetitive thai industry is, this is likely true. If you look at the FBA, the lists of types of companies are actually about "not ready to compete". Have to keep in mind Thais compare themselves with Burma not Singapore. As long as they are doing better than Burma then all is OK. Thais don't have a world view.
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20-09-2007, 01:42
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Doctor's note Soi Paradise B200- no exam, tetanus shot up north in Gov't clinic B50. Gov't hospitals (I've experienced) seem to have a set rate falang or thai- the international hospitals are just money spinners. Having seen the conditions and treatment standards in the gov't hospitals up north, given the choice between them and the NHS I know where I'd rather be. We put one falang kid through a private hosp in Chiang Rai- Xray and removal of stitches B600 including doctor's exam. A private room with hot and cold running nurses in Chom Tong hospital at B700 per night- Bring it on!!!
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20-09-2007, 02:25
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went to the erawan cave and the mrs paid 20 baht donation for our right of passage up the seemingly never ending steps.
on the desk was a book for tourists both thai and farang to sign, i was about to sign the book when the attendant told my wife to stop me from doing that. being a tame farang i immediately did what my wife said and did not sign the book. the reason my wife explained was if i signed the book and the man who counts the money and the attendances-money ratio would expect to see more in the tin, because a farang had visited that day. i dont have a thai drivers licence yet, hopefully thats sorted out next trip, but i have never been double priced at a park/waterfall, for reasons unknown. no doubt with farangs holidaying/expatting in certain areas it has improved the infrastructure to great extents. without the farang money would the medical/dental specialists,teachers, half decent tradesman exist in those areas, no way is my thought. minimun wages are set by province, and the provinces favoured by farangs have a higher wage rate than nakon nowhere, ok so 10 baht extra a day is not much to many thais and farangs, but to a unskilled worker its maybe 8% more wage and most people would not complain about an 8% increase for the same work, bearing in mind, living away from their village increases their expenses. farangs create wealth and infrastructure, perhaps for the better or the worst,that statement is obviously open to the individuals interpretation.
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20-09-2007, 02:33
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i was going to go to the expat hospital to have bandages changed and the wound cleaned when the wifes father suggested i go with him to the local clinic at the crossroads of 2 villages, 30 baht and a polite farang with a smile is all it cost, mind you he made sure it wasnt the day of the diabetes clinic.
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20-09-2007, 09:04
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There are exceptions...
Just a bright side to show not all thai's are looking to rip off Falang...
I've lived in Patong, Karon and Kathu. I used to get gout quite often and my first attack whilst in Patong, i went to the Andaman clinic next to K bank. Has my Voltarol jab and was charged 1000B. Broke down it was 700B for call out fee, even though the doc was already there !! and 300B for the shot. Moved to Karon and was recommended local doctor called Dr Chusack, nice guy who studied medicine in UK and an all round nice bloke. On first visit told them i not tourist but living here, had no TDL back then. Had the same shot as in Patong and was charged 200B total....what a difference ! One day i had an attack and Chusak was closed and i was desperate for a jab to ease the pain of my gout. Went to Dr Sonita clinic in Karon, just near the first 7/11 when entering Karon, had consultation, jab and some tablets and was charged 3,250B !!!!! When telling her i was being ripped off and that i wasn't a tourist, and explaining what i pay for the same thing at Chusak, She replied, you pay the bill or i call police.... hopefully named and shamed!!!! Now since living in Kathu i've only had one attack, as i'm now on daily medication, but i always ride over to Chusak because he must be one of the best and cheapest on the Island, there could be more.... but he's a genuine Thai doctor with your health as #1 importance not money !!!!
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20-09-2007, 09:30
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I dont believe you really mean that ?? Having seen the inside of wachiwa a few times there is no way I could compare that to a UK facility on any level... Perhaps the Gov hospitals here are worse than other regions ??
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20-09-2007, 09:31
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So only being ripped off 2 out of 3 times is a good thing ?? Sorry  I am just playing..
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20-09-2007, 09:43
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I think you could be close to the mark here.. Thailand seems to want all it can get (tourism money, foriegn exchange, investment, etc etc) and give nothing (or as little as possible) in return.. The fact is even as the smiles get harder to find, the rules get tighter, Thailand gets more visitors so they are being proved right !! Also I have a theory about this (which may be wildly off the mark but hey its at least my thinking).. As I have pounded on about economic posts for years, greenspan flooded the world with cheap money, That cheap money has puffed all asset prices and created inflation, but it has also allowed people to have an artificially higher standard of living, when people feel good, have money etc, they go on vacation. So in a very convoluted roundabout way Thailand has been the net benefactor in its tourism market of a very unusual 10 year cycle post 97 crash. Thier currency went down (making property more purchasable), westerners felt richer (so came on holiday) many sold puffed home prices back in the west (and retired here).. All these globalized factors have been pushing more people onto Thailands shores. Now from that Thailand seems to have gained the idea that this will continue and continue no matter what they do in visa regs, land ownership, etc etc etc.. Now maybe it will, maybe I am flat out wrong.. But my feeling is there isnt going to be the prosperity of the last decade, there isnt going to be the discretionary spending, there isnt going to be the same movement of retirees and holidayers and those that there are will be looking for the best deals. How will Thailand react to a more demanding tourist ?? They seem frustrated enough with the ones they have, how will they feel when they need to provide more service to compete ? Thais dont seem very good at improvement without guidance (sounds horribly patronizing.. But Thais dont seem to innovate alone much is perhaps better).. How will they feel when theres a decreasing amount of farang money instead of increasing ?? Will the frustrations and xenophobia get better to make it more inviting or worse as they get pissed off (low season robbery and violence in transient tourist economy springs to mind).. Anyway thats an out there theory or idea.. Just one that I think could well be a factor for the coming decade. I know I often come across as a kook with my economic doom and gloom posts, but I have been right on the money for the last few years and I still see dark clouds ahead.
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20-09-2007, 09:47
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Better than 3 out of 3 i guess !!! 5555 Mind you with prescription charges in the UK forever increasing, maybe we should be thankful for the local pharmacies over here... Especially the Wellness clinic next to Margaritas in Patong... the lady that works in there is brilliant....
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20-09-2007, 17:10
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LiL please don't take this the wrong way but I do not make this sh1t up If I didn't believe it I wouldn't post it!! Chom Tong hospital, 50 k outside Chiang Mai is immaculate and modern. The feeder is from the clinic to the district hospitals (basic) to the next stage hospitals (in betweeny) and on to the specialist regional meduical facilities in Chiang Mai which features modern teaching hospitals. I am making a comment based on personal experience of having put people into Chom Tong on 5 or 6 occasions and have never found it to be wanting. Fortunately I have not had the privilige of visiting other regional facilities to date. Please lets not go down the road of analysing the Thai health system hospital by hospital and hope that we don't have to examine any system anywhere in the world from the inside!!
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Last edited by Simbo : 20-09-2007 at 17:16.
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20-09-2007, 17:33
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Well the local privates miss diagnosed wifey until she died.. Her cousin drunkenly drove into the back of a car and we met some wachiwa costs.. Wachiwa was pretty dumpy IMO.. Wards of hot beds and no doctors / few nurses..
Also had a mate who ended up in wachwa through no money, no insurance and food poisoning / bad liver.. Again thought the place pretty poor.. Maybe its just wachiwa but no way I would put it even close to UK NHS (which has done me ok on a few occasions).. Maybe UK NHS aint bupa, but Thai gov hospitals I would say it beats hands down (as it should)...
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20-09-2007, 19:56
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I think we are seeing this a little bit now. As foreign money is more reluctant to enter the Thai economy, the thai economy is starting to crawl. Seems this is making them bitter about the foreign influence and they continue the trend of walling off. I read an article that the international community is absolutly fed up with the temporary government. So much so they are willing to give everything from the past year a free pass in the hopes that a new government gets in and moves things forward. But as you point out it could be too late as the party could already be over. In that case I think they will wall-up even more.
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22-09-2007, 08:33
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Last year me and GF was on Koh Samet, a goverment park. We went there with a speedboat that drop us of on a beach away from the tax office. I am planning to do the same this year. But what happens if someone finds out? How cand they find out, i might have lost my ticket... repeter
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