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Old 23-01-2008, 08:28
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“Our plan is to remove the roundabout and install traffic lights on the four main roads at the junction that lead to Kata-Karon [Patak Rd], to the bypass road [Chao Fa East Rd], to Phuket City [Chao Fa West Rd] and to Rawai [Wiset Rd].

“Vehicles entering the junction from Chalong Pier will be forced to turn left onto Wiset Rd. They must do a U-turn and come back and wait at the lights to enter the junction again,”

Not keen on this idea as will mean needless waiting in quiet times.
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Old 23-01-2008, 08:48
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My solution to the quiet times is to simply stop and then go thru the red light. Of course with the police station just 1/2 block away that might not work. Additionally the police like to stand there to catch the tourists on motorbikes with no helmets.
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Old 23-01-2008, 10:17
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what quiet times Kev......midnight to 6am.....

went through there at 2pm a couple of weeks ago and it was carnage...in fact I haven't been through it in years without a huge backup in all directions
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Old 23-01-2008, 10:25
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This is the easy way that you can still implement while dealing with a nasty hangover from last night's karaoke binge.

It is a tricky problem. It would either enhancing the circle (but that assumes the thai drivers actually understand and obey circle rules) or a massive rework to convert the circle's 5 roads into a proper intersection.

What they are proposing is easy to implement but terribly inefficient and dangerous. The upside is it will be consistent with the insanity of the rest of the Choafa W stretch (btw the article got E and W reversed).

Why do they rely on this magic pylon u-turn stuff so much? Super dangerous now doing airport runs with all the magic pylon u-turn nonsense.

Time to move to Hau Hin or Chiang Mai...or just bunker-in at lalalalala land like dodger.
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Old 23-01-2008, 10:37
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well, the traffic circle (or roundabout as we like to call them - especially people from Milton Keynes) simply does not work here - the thais are far too impatient and will happily clog it up with no idea that because they blocked traffic going around the circle they now cannot go forward and get out of the way.

Its even "funnier" when the police direct traffic as they don't seem to comprehend how it is supposed to work either?!

I hate the U-turns because they block the "fast" or overtaking lane with little to no warning and will cause very serious accidents.
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Old 23-01-2008, 10:43
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We recently had those big timer thingies added to our two sets of lights in lala high street, Thais are not to sure about these beggars either, red light, yep??? 72seconds, doh??? I know I'll just drive through as fast as I can, should be best as prayed to Buudha this morning and will work out what all these red lights mean after I've tipped the full load of concrete I'm carrying!!!!
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Old 23-01-2008, 12:38
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The Flashing Red and Flashing yellow system scared the crap out of me first time i saw it but it has the potential to be an excellent system.

Flashing Yellow - you can go and have right of way (just beware).
Flashing Red - you must stop and give way but can go if it is clear.

I like the timers too.
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I remember when they had the bright idea of putting the lights at the Tesco Intersection on 'Flash' at night. What happened- people racing through with no regard for others. The end result, 5 dead in one accident, including the Ratchasada (excuse my spelling) Volunteer Rescue guys who were rushing someone to hospital with lights and siren going when they were broadsided by someone who didn't stop at the junction. More mayhem to come then.
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What I have learned in the last couple of years.
Thais, Iraqis and Americans dont know how to drive in roundabouts.

I think a traffic light option would be safer in Thailand.
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what quiet times Kev......midnight to 6am.....

Yes - just tested totally pi$$hed - and FA traffic - no stooping - just drive flat out ... back from CC ( Chalong Circlr in <5 mins

PS Thia drivers indeed dont have a fecking clue about how to handle a roundabout/circle - which means its a POP (piece od pi$$) to drive thru it!
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What I have learned in the last couple of years.
Thais, Iraqis and Americans dont know how to drive in roundabouts.

I think a traffic light option would be safer in Thailand.
Don't know about the Iraqis, but agree with the other two.

The amount of deaths caused by US service people here in the UK at roundabouts, is simply incredable. They get posted here, watch a 20min video on roundabouts and local 'driving customs', then are free to drive by themselves. EVen the 16/17yr olds.

Then I brick it too when ever I go through a roundabout in Thailand, ok not many times, but I still do. Luckily, I can avoid the Chalong circle most holidays.
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What I have learned in the last couple of years.
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except Americans from Boston 55555

we have tons of rotoraries, but i think only place in US that has them
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except Americans from Boston 55555

we have tons of rotoraries, but i think only place in US that has them

I think you may be right, "Beantown" is the only US city in which I've seen them.

I had an early introduction to "roundabouts", while living in Bermuda. (long ago)

At the same time, I was spending a good deal of time in London.

It seems like a lot of towns and cities in Thailand, have them. But, it's not as orderly in LOS. 5555
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except Americans from Boston 55555

we have tons of rotoraries, but i think only place in US that has them

Paris was my first rotary experiience. Frightening. Also reminds of my first time driving in Boston. Me and my friend were a bit unnerved until we got the hang of it. My friend couldn't pronounce rotary. He kept saying rotisserie.
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Paris was my first rotary experiience. Frightening. Also reminds of my first time driving in Boston. Me and my friend were a bit unnerved until we got the hang of it. My friend couldn't pronounce rotary. He kept saying rotisserie.

and New Jersey has jughandles 55555
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I think Thais don't see it as a traffic control device with rules. I think they just see it as a free for all and you just go when you think you can. Basically it is 5 roads colliding and you just kinda work through it as you can. Many drivers don't even see it as a circle and just blast through like it is a straight line. I am actually surprised I haven't seen anyone try and go the wrong way around it.

The funny part is they expand all roads leading to the circle and then try and deal with the circle as an afterthought. Sort of like making right/east turn lanes on the northbound chaofa road west by making go-around left lanes on the shoulder at interesections.

The idea of lights at that crazy ass intersection is scary.
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Old 24-01-2008, 15:29
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The Circle is a shocker.....i use it maybe 6 times a day....just crazy.....most common complaint is the guy who wants to turn right and comes in from the left lane...near misses constantly. The main rule of attacking the circle is be very aware that most of the people you can see don't have a license, so drive to survive.

3 days ago mid circle, a Thai guy simply drove his motorcycle into a farang couple on a quite large bike. bike toppled, girl pinned under it, concrete truck screeches to a halt meters from her head.

Farang guy jumps up gestures to the Thai guy to help him lift the bike off the girl, Thai guy shakes his head and takes off out Kata way. So essentially a hit and run, Police glance up from booking people with and without helmets, watch the guy drive off then casually start directing traffic around and towards the girl on the circle. Madness. Resulting in her and the concrete truck guy helping her nearly getting skittled.

Anything they can do to improve this circle is welcomed, however after seeing the initial ideas.....it could well make it worse. Those U-turn things are so dangerous. At least the police will be happy they can check everyone easily for fines when they are stopped at the traffic lights.
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I've just learned to navigate it like the Thais do and that seems to work most of the time. Go when you can, give way to those already in the circle, but never ever trust others to do so, always be on guard. I reckon making it a regular intersection with lights would make the jams worse, at least now it sort of flows on its own. Also I really hate the U-turn solution, it's bad enough that they do this in the mornings with traffic cones, when that's going on I usually try to go around by using other small roads if possible. The cops are utterly useless at guiding traffic, it works better when they just leave it alone...
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I was driving through the circle this morning, and for the first time looked up.....there are traffic lights there (not working mind you)....now they could well have been there forever and I not have noticed them......PLEASE tell me they are old ones and NOT part of this new 'solution'.

If they are we are in more trouble than i thought. They are simply put on each entry to the circle (no design for merging of lanes or joining entries to support the system or anything) just a light up in the air.

Someone please tell that's not it.
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No, those have been there for a while at least. I can't say when I first noticed them but it was ages ago.
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except Americans from Boston 55555

we have tons of rotoraries, but i think only place in US that has them

loads and loads of roundabouts in DC
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