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18-12-2005, 17:01
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HIV question
I hail Stateside from Las Vegas, NV, whereat I drove a taxi for a couple of years. Had to learn the basic legal framework of the brothel industry so as to stay legal when providing transportation services. (Cross the line and you are a felon.)
Consider... One issue on which NV _licensed_ working girls excel is medical. At the brothels nearest Las Vegas, Wednesday is Doctor Day. All contractors of the service persuasion are bussed to a local physician, appropriate tests administered, and a bill of health (clean or otherwise) is issued. The Industry claims that there have been exactly zero cases of HIV traced to a licensed, er, Entertainer. Regarding the actual Entertainer's Card, details can be found here: http://www.lvmpd.com/Permits/Work_Cards/Non-gaming.html This is nothing out of the ordinary for Nevada. To do essentially anything on a commercial basis one needs a sheriff's card. The office that processes these permits effects the arrest of eight to ten applicants per day... related to me by an employee. (Note: It is a misconception that prostitution is legal in Las Vegas. In fact the state law is written in such a way as to exclude Clark County (Las Vegas) and Story County (Reno/Sparks) from those counties which may vote to approve this activity.) In any event, I see little evidence of such an HIV-protection mechanism in the LOS. Or am I missing something?
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18-12-2005, 17:34
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What there is, has been very well covered in previous threads on this board.
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18-12-2005, 17:48
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Solly.
My bust.
I have read the board daily since September 05 and somehow missed it. I really have to start paying closer attention. Certainly do not want to offend anyone.
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18-12-2005, 20:39
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Hi Bloke,
This is the most recent thread on the subject that really lit up the board: http://www.phuket-info.com/forums/ni...highlight=aids If you look top right there is a search function which will dig up all relevant threads, try a search for 'hiv aids'
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18-12-2005, 21:17
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Thanks, mate
Thanx. Just what I sought. Wonderful things can happen when we work together.
Now that the election is over Downrange our guys have a chance to relax a little. No excuse for cluelessness but gaining expertise with the board is a low priority right now. Way below maintaining the IT networks on which our warfighters depend. (Many of these guys in harm's way are US Allies such as the British and Australians.) We are short-handed (Isn't everyone in a warzone?) but universally consider supporting these cats to be the greatest privilege. I can finally look at a leave in February (been here since August 04), have the plane tickets, working on the hotel. All done via input from the board. Invaluable resource, this, particularly since I am looking at a business venture in the LOS. The original month-long R&R shrunk to one week since I had to fit an IT school (on my dime) into the same timeframe. I will attempt to be proactive in future posts but... consider cutting me some slack.
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19-12-2005, 12:09
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All the Nana GoGos seem to have in their tilets advertisements for 10-minute home self-test HIV kits. No idea if they are reliable or even work at all, but I wonder what effect thy will have if theya re not what they promise and lead to false senses of security and BB sex. Justa thought...
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19-12-2005, 13:28
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Or false sense of insecurity if they don't work, which is just as bad in some ways!!!!!!! 
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19-12-2005, 14:20
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And you would believe something you read on the wall of toilet in an agogo!!!! 
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19-12-2005, 15:19
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Here in the states they have stopped using all the "home" HIV tests because of too many false readings. 
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19-12-2005, 15:23
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I've been reading this thread about HIV and also the previous/older thread about this subject and there are alot of numbers and statistics going around... I may be lazy, thou I have been trying to find this info without success unfortunately...
I wonder if any of you knows (even roughly) the %rate of girls infected with HIV in Patong? Many thanks for the attention 
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19-12-2005, 15:27
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Recent statistics have shown that pre natal screening of 18 - 30 women came in at 2.5? % of course working girls are likely to be higher %..
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19-12-2005, 15:39
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Thank you
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19-12-2005, 16:30
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Without knowing the figures(does anyone??) I would guess it is hugely higher in working girls and they MAY also have been infected several times over by different strains of the virus making it very difficult to treat. Even 2.5% is very high. I don't think any drug would be allowed to be used if there was a 2.5% chance it would kill you.
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19-12-2005, 18:21
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It's very logical to assume the 2.5% of the women being infected are mainly if not only working girls.... I'm sure a few addicted to narcotics contribute to this figure but I doubt it's substancial. Nevertheless, don't they need to show a certificate of some sort to the bar owner that they're in "good health" within a certain period of time? Anyway, assuming there are about 1,000,000 women between 18-30 in Patong and about 25,000 working girls then it will (logically) suggest that every single working girl is infected...
 ... Scary thought....
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19-12-2005, 20:10
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Not sure it is logical at all to think that. Can't see anywhere in the post where it mentions even Patong, only "2.5% of 18-30 females tested pre-natally were positive". This COULD be nationwide with only a very small % of working girls.
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19-12-2005, 20:29
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I agree with you that the %rate LiL presented could be nation wide but I assumed it was for Patong since I did ask for the Patong area... However I still think the vast majority of the girls being infected are working girls... I don't know how many working girls are living in Patong and I don't know either how many girls in total are living in patong but just to put in some figures... If there are about 5,000 working girls and about 30,000 girls in the age range and in total, this will mean (based on the 2.5% figure) that about 15% of the working girls are HIV positve and that figure is probably a bit lower among BGs and Gogo girls since they need to present a certificate of some sort that they are Ok which means that the rate may be higher for freelancers... All of this is of course pure speculation.... 
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20-12-2005, 01:48
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>>>assuming there are about 1,000,000 women between 18-30 in Patong and about 25,000 working girls then it will (logically) suggest that every single working girl is infected... ... Scary thought....<<<
Where on earth did you drag up those massive figures from????? The Patong area is only 2 or 3 square miles! The officail permanent population of Patong is around 15000 people which is boosted to 50 or 60,000 at peak of high season around xmas/new year. I reckon there are 2000 available girlies here at most........or maybe I need to go to Specsavers 
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20-12-2005, 02:10
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They used to test all the girls weekly in the Alice Bar, no idea if anywhere still does that, and as HIV takes 3 months to show are they (tests\certs) worth anything?
The subject has been done to death here, and it seems to me that the answer is 'nobody knows'. All the 'I reckon 50% of all girls' etc etc is no more than speculation. The reality is that if you have sex you are at risk of all sorts of infections. Will that knowledge stop you doing it? Me either, but why not just take care, for your sake and for hers? Or his, if that's what floats yer boat, or her/his for the visitors to the darkside?
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20-12-2005, 03:54
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There are pink health books which the girls are supposed to use. We used to make the girls show the stamped book before they could collect their salary. There was a time awhile ago, that tried to enforce the use of these books for all BG's, but that didnt go very far.
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20-12-2005, 13:41
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In other words the " every 3 months" control of the girl's health is no longer implemented in the bar scene?? I heard (by a girl) that they still have to prove they're healthy, at least at Christins. And (except for the french kissing part) everything happens with protection, including BJs...
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