How do countries decide on Visas?

[marc26]

I dont think this is a question that an of us can answer but might be a good discussion. I wonder what the procedure is from country to country to decide what type of entry is allowed and needed from each country. I wonder what the criteria must be to seperate country A from country B

[Frode10]

Originally Posted by marc26

I dont think this is a question that an of us can answer but might be a good discussion. I wonder what the procedure is from country to country to decide what type of entry is allowed and needed from each country. I wonder what the criteria must be to seperate country A from country B

Norway is a member of the Schengen-area like most of the countries in western europe (not England). To get a 90 days tourist-visa to Schengen for your TG is easy if you do your homework, have the right papers, a job and your own home. If you also have known her for more than one night your chances will be better.You don't need a medical-test, like you need to the US, England and Australia.

But because of so many get married when they stay, the ambassy will ask if you have this intention. Then you say no, like we did. It took 5 days for my TG to get a visa.

If you want a visa for the US, don't let the ambassy know she has worked as a BG. Prostitution is a crime in the US and she will not get one.
In most of europe prostitution is not a crime.............................!!!!!!!

Frode

[marc26]

Originally Posted by Frode10

Norway is a member of the Schengen-area like most of the countries in western europe (not England). To get a 90 days tourist-visa to Schengen for your TG is easy if you do your homework, have the right papers, a job and your own home. If you also have known her for more than one night your chances will be better.You don't need a medical-test, like you need to the US, England and Australia.

But because of so many get married when they stay, the ambassy will ask if you have this intention. Then you say no, like we did. It took 5 days for my TG to get a visa.

If you want a visa for the US, don't let the ambassy know she has worked as a BG. Prostitution is a crime in the US and she will not get one.
In most of europe prostitution is not a crime.............................!!!!!!!

Frode

i think you misunderstood my post. i wasnt really looking at the procedure for accepting applications for visas, i was looking at the criteria that counties set or decide about concerning different countires

[bigalsouth]

The UK seems to 'group' countries dependent upon those countries perceived 'status' (don't ask me how they arrive at this, some kind of risk assessment I suppose), whether the country is a member of the Commonwealth (loose association of most of the ex-Empire countries) or a member of the EU (citizens of other EU countries can move freely between EU countries). It is very difficult for an average Thai to get a tourist visa for the UK, I think there is the automatic assumption that the applicant has no intention of returning (ie an economic migrant), they would have to provide very good proof of substantial means to get one etc etc. Other types of visa are available with substantial requirements attached.

[Frode10]

Originally Posted by marc26

i think you misunderstood my post. i wasnt really looking at the procedure for accepting applications for visas, i was looking at the criteria that counties set or decide about concerning different countires

Ok, maybe I have to get back to school and learn some more english?
But I don't delete the post, I guess someone can use the information.

Frode

[marc26]

Originally Posted by Frode10

Ok, maybe I have to get back to school and learn some more english?
But I don't delete the post, I guess someone can use the information.

Frode

thats ok. still informative reply by you, always helpful.

example:how US decideds a thai citizens entry requirements vs an autralian citizens entry requirements

[marc26]

Originally Posted by Alfie

[controversial]The let Pakis in who they know have no intention of returning[/controversial]

The system stinks.

thats what im getting at. what is it that allows pakistani citizens easier entry requirements than thai..i wonder

[Captain]

Originally Posted by marc26

thats ok. still informative reply by you, always helpful.

example:how US decideds a thai citizens entry requirements vs an autralian citizens entry requirements

Paul there are agreements between countries (A&B) on what is expected for a visa. In the case of the "Schengen countries" the agreements are also between the Schengen countries as if one of those countries gives a visa, it is also valid for the other countries. This is al in the book. What is not in the book, is some directions ministries of Foreign Affairs give to the Embassies on how to handle requests for a visa. I know first hand that a few years ago the embassies of my country in SE Asia received orders to make it as difficult as possible for a young woman to get a visa for Belgium. The tendence was that Belgian men were to fast in getting married with those ladies. And some mariages worked, but most were not so good.

[marc26]

The tendence was that Belgian men were to fast in getting married with those ladies. And some mariages worked, but most were not so good.

well, thats another point i was going to make, is that in some ways, stricter visa requirements have probably diminished alot of these happenings. im sure alot of guys wouldve jumoped in too fast

[del boy]

From what I have learned and read on the net, is it a case of 'you scratch my back and i'll scratch yours'? ie, countries that are happy to grant visa's and be accommodating towards thai national's, then that favour will be returned and their citizens will have greater benefits when visiting thailand.

I can understand why, in the UK in particular, the government has to be deeply suspicious about people coming here from poorer countries. Still, you reap what you sow, and if the government hadn't allowed this country to become such a soft touch (not to mention generous!), then it probably wouldn't be a primary destination for people around the world seeking a better life.

I bet there are a lot of guys on here that have been frustrated when trying to bring a thai girl here legally only to be turned down. Yet, if foreigners come here illegally, then the odds are stacked in their favour that they will be allowed to stay! And if not allowed officially, then due to incompetence etc, will end up staying here anyway.

[LivinLOS]

Originally Posted by bigalsouth

The UK seems to 'group' countries dependent upon those countries perceived 'status' (don't ask me how they arrive at this, some kind of risk assessment I suppose), whether the country is a member of the Commonwealth (loose association of most of the ex-Empire countries) or a member of the EU (citizens of other EU countries can move freely between EU countries). It is very difficult for an average Thai to get a tourist visa for the UK, I think there is the automatic assumption that the applicant has no intention of returning (ie an economic migrant), they would have to provide very good proof of substantial means to get one etc etc. Other types of visa are available with substantial requirements attached.

I dissagree.. Yes ts harder for the UK than EU but its not that hard..

I got my wifey through (not not married by law married by buddhist ceremony) with one single visit to the embassy, no interview, took <1 hour.. She was well spoken good english, dressed nicely, and had travelled..

My bro has taken a girl to UK and yes she had the delay of an interview but also worked out..

Its tough but some guys have the idea its really tough.. I dont agree but of course you need to present a good image.. To be honest some of the guys stood in flip flops and wife beaters with thier short skirted gold covered girls in the queue look like they came right from nana and staggered along there at 7 am !!!

[LivinLOS]

Originally Posted by marc26

thats what im getting at. what is it that allows pakistani citizens easier entry requirements than thai..i wonder

I suspect that its due to the fact that UK colonialism spread heavily through india and pakistan and up into the Hindu cush.. The old afgan wars etc..

I also suspect that its not so much that they get in easier more that there are more of them in the UK and more families sponsor them and get them in increasing the population so you notice them more..

I noticed very much that the UK has its indian / pakistan and carribean immigrants (to say nothing of the micks and pickeys he IJ ) but in holland they have thier indonesian immigrants (big) and some light skinned caribeans from turks and cacos and deep dark skinned guys from Surinam (all colonies the dutch west and east indies).. France has its black african immigrants and lots of Morrocans partially due to languages spoken etc..

Lots of it seems to be the influx of ex colonies..

Despite what people feel about giving too much gov assistance to immigrants that are getting it easy I think the same things were felt at the afro carribean influx's etc but I dont think our clulture would be nearly as varied and interesting with out them. A good ruby murry is the british national dish nearly now (cant get a good indian for love nor money in Holland.. Lots of sate and pinda suace / rice taffle joints tho).. Things like Notting hill carnival, etc are now 'british' institutions and are a benefit not a minus to me..

[LivinLOS]

Originally Posted by marc26

The tendence was that Belgian men were to fast in getting married with those ladies. And some mariages worked, but most were not so good.

well, thats another point i was going to make, is that in some ways, stricter visa requirements have probably diminished alot of these happenings. im sure alot of guys wouldve jumoped in too fast

Dont know if I agree..

I would say difficult visa regs make a lot of couples get married while they are still at the early stages just so they can stay together..

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Frode10

You don't need a medical-test, like you need to the US, England and Australia.

Don't need a medical test for a Tourist Visa for Australia.....u do for a Fiance Visa though

[swiftdave]

Historically immigrants come via family sponsors. Canada is a nation of immigrants. One or two people came over then sent for the wife, the brothers and sisters and so on. All throughout this country, you'll find pockets of different nationalities, Italian, Portugese, Ukranian, Irish etc. Same same with the Paki's and Indians.

Canadian immigration is now based on a scoring system. So many points for English, so many points for University, so many points for a proffession in demand, score x# of points and you qualify. There is also the refugee factor and if you can prove you face persecution, torture or death by returning home, you can qualify for refugee status.

Also as LIL says, it's much easier for Commonwealth Nations and citizens of these countries are given preferential treatment.

And apparently we let the odd yank in too.

[SadCanadian]

Originally Posted by swiftdave

Historically immigrants come via family sponsors. Canada is a nation of immigrants. One or two people came over then sent for the wife, the brothers and sisters and so on. All throughout this country, you'll find pockets of different nationalities, Italian, Portugese, Ukranian, Irish etc. Same same with the Paki's and Indians.

Canadian immigration is now based on a scoring system. So many points for English, so many points for University, so many points for a proffession in demand, score x# of points and you qualify. There is also the refugee factor and if you can prove you face persecution, torture or death by returning home, you can qualify for refugee status.

Also as LIL says, it's much easier for Commonwealth Nations and citizens of these countries are given preferential treatment.

And apparently we let the odd yank in too.

One other point on Canadian immigration...an important part of the application is now showing the ability to support yourself while you search out gainful employment. The Gov't is now looking for the equivalent of about $5000 Canadian in the bank, or in the case of a relative, the financial means to support the applicant. A friend of mine applied from South America, and was forced to sell his car. It worked out well though, he found an IT job right away. Bang on about the rest. The previous government was definitely looking for skilled labor, however after the recent election, it is unclear how things might change. There used to be a lot of loopholes regarding nannies, but many of these have been closed, by the way.

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[swiftdave]

Another way just discovered yesterday is to steal a car and some guns, then phone ahead and tell Canada Customs you're coming. 40 Custom Agents will then put down thier coffee and leave. If the yanks don't shoot you, you're in!!

[marc26]

And apparently we let the odd yank in too.

apparently you do, and it was a hell of lot easier gettign a work permit than the legal dept at my compnay anticipated

[swiftdave]

That's because you are such a fine upstanding individual. Also calculated into the equation was the addition of your proud American DNA into the local asian gene pool.

[steve@thaib]

Whatever the rights and wrongs of it, the UK (as LIL said) colonised a lot of places and many people have a historic right to be here, and of course once one member of a family is here then the rest will find it far easier to follow.

Every other Aussie I meet (and I meet a lot) seems to have ancestry which gives them the right to be here indefinitely as well, though very few Kiwis.

I don't mind other folks coming here and adding to the mix, it certainly makes the country a bit more colourful.

[marc26]

the addition of your proud American DNA into the local asian gene pool.

believe me dave, im trying my best. only a couple of instance so far......but im trying.


also, is avatar, superdave?

[bigalsouth]

Originally Posted by LivinLOS

I dissagree.. Yes ts harder for the UK than EU but its not that hard..

I got my wifey through (not not married by law married by buddhist ceremony) with one single visit to the embassy, no interview, took <1 hour.. She was well spoken good english, dressed nicely, and had travelled..

My bro has taken a girl to UK and yes she had the delay of an interview but also worked out..

Its tough but some guys have the idea its really tough.. I dont agree but of course you need to present a good image.. To be honest some of the guys stood in flip flops and wife beaters with thier short skirted gold covered girls in the queue look like they came right from nana and staggered along there at 7 am !!!

Perhaps I should have clarified this - there is a world of difference between a sponsored and an unsponsored visa application. I doubt very much if either of these girls would have been granted any kind of visa without a sponsor.
I do agree on the presentation point - the paperwork might be perfect and the intentions of the very best but if the image is wrong it will not happen, that is why they have the interview - effectively it is an assessment by the embassy official. Everything has to be just right. It is just like most things - make sure everything is done properly and it should be fine.

[bigalsouth]

And apparently we let the odd yank in too.[/quote]



........lots of them (odd, that is)!


only joking guys!

[bigalsouth]

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