Phuket - question

djmyst · #1 21-02-2006, 17:11

As many of you BM's know I made a movie clip back in 2004 based on photos from this forum. I'm now updating my homepage during server change. And I will release it wit some new features as photogallery. I have many of the photos from my videoclip stored on my pc, and wondring if it's ok for you guys out there that i use some of those picture in the clip in my gallery?
Better to ask first befor i begin to upload them.

My site will be up and running again in the end of this week i hope. The coding and design is finished, just waiting on my host to transfere my domain to their server.

Werwolf · #2 21-02-2006, 17:59

for me its no problem.
..good luck for your work.

Coolhand · #3 21-02-2006, 19:57

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Originally Posted by djmyst

As many of you BM's know I made a movie clip back in 2004 based on photos from this forum. I'm now updating my homepage during server change. And I will release it wit some new features as photogallery. I have many of the photos from my videoclip stored on my pc, and wondring if it's ok for you guys out there that i use some of those picture in the clip in my gallery?
Better to ask first befor i begin to upload them.

My site will be up and running again in the end of this week i hope. The coding and design is finished, just waiting on my host to transfere my domain to their server.

Wouldn't it be better to PM the persons who took the photos. If I was the photographer ( Iam sure I am not - my photos are too boring) I would like to know it and which ones you planned to use.

djmyst · #4 21-02-2006, 20:22

It's very long time since i downloaded the pictures, and it takes a little time to find out who post the pictures, anyway not a big deal, maybe i drop to use the photos, but i was thinking maybe it would be nice to get many of the old photos from this forum in one gallery so members can wiev. i can always make a password protected gallery so only bm's can enter =)

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Originally Posted by Coolhand

Wouldn't it be better to PM the persons who took the photos. If I was the photographer ( Iam sure I am not - my photos are too boring) I would like to know it and which ones you planned to use.

Heywood · #5 21-02-2006, 20:43

Dj,

I remember when that came out and a few people didn't like it...I think bringing it up and asking now before a updated release is fair enough.

As I have stated in the past if you post a photo in a public area its a freebie and as you have made said photo availible then there is nothing stopping someone else from downloading said photo. Your not reproducing for profit so therefore the photos use shouldn't be an issue.

That being said I think you've done all you need to do and brought it up, I look forward to seeing your new work.

IRISH JONNY · #6 21-02-2006, 20:49

If Its Mine...no Probs.......ij

steve@thaib · #7 21-02-2006, 20:54

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Originally Posted by Heywood

Dj,

I remember when that came out and a few people didn't like it...I think bringing it up and asking now before a updated release is fair enough.

As I have stated in the past if you post a photo in a public area its a freebie and as you have made said photo availible then there is nothing stopping someone else from downloading said photo. Your not reproducing for profit so therefore the photos use shouldn't be an issue.

That being said I think you've done all you need to do and brought it up, I look forward to seeing your new work.

Just wearing my writers hat for a minute; don't assume that everything that is on the internet is free for you to use.

All web content and pictures are protected by copyright unless they are specifically not copyright protected. You cannot just lift words or pictures and use them yourself, they all belong to somebody.

I'm not saying you can't do what you want to DJ, just saying be aware that they do belong to somebody and you really might want to seek permission before re-producing them elsewhere.

dawsey · #8 22-02-2006, 02:33

I don't have a problem with you using any of my pics DJ.

I wouldn't think there are any you would want anyway

djmyst · #9 22-02-2006, 03:08

a prewiev of my new design on my site

Gecko · #10 22-02-2006, 05:01

Looks great Dj, cant wait to see it up and running. I will check it later in the week to see if its live.

stevem · #11 22-02-2006, 05:07

I think it is only common curtiosy to ask before using someone else's material. The internet and its contents aren't free range, contrary to poeple's beliefs.

Tarzan · #12 22-02-2006, 05:26

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Originally Posted by stevem

I think it is only common curtiosy to ask before using someone else's material. The internet and its contents aren't free range, contrary to poeple's beliefs. I cant even understand why your asking this question, based on some of the responses you received when releasing your previous effort.

Isnt that whats he is doing now? Asking first...?

He got responses last time, said sorry, and now he ask if it is ok to use some pics since he already have the material.... What is so strange with that?

stevem · #13 22-02-2006, 06:14

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Originally Posted by Tarzan

Isnt that whats he is doing now? Asking first...?

He got responses last time, said sorry, and now he ask if it is ok to use some pics since he already have the material.... What is so strange with that?

You are right, he is asking for permission to use these pics. I read the original post incorrectly, and therefore withdraw part of my post.

erik1 · #14 22-02-2006, 06:31

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Originally Posted by djmyst

It's very long time since i downloaded the pictures, and it takes a little time to find out who post the pictures, anyway not a big deal, maybe i drop to use the photos, but i was thinking maybe it would be nice to get many of the old photos from this forum in one gallery so members can wiev. i can always make a password protected gallery so only bm's can enter =)

To make a very long story short. No. Unless you have written permission to publish a photo from the creator, he can charge 3 times the normal published amounts for the publication type as adviced by the branche organisations. And these will cost you a lot. So never publish pictures you not have the rights of or that are not royalty free.

cooperspooky · #15 22-02-2006, 10:38

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Originally Posted by erik1

To make a very long story short. No. Unless you have written permission to publish a photo from the creator, he can charge 3 times the normal published amounts for the publication type as adviced by the branche organisations. And these will cost you a lot. So never publish pictures you not have the rights of or that are not royalty free.

I think you should have made the story shorter and stopped after "No". No idea what you're talking about. I don't think the issue would be money since few if any of the people that post pics here got paid for them so 3 x 0 is still zero. Go ahead an use any of mine.

dizbuster · #16 22-02-2006, 15:55

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Originally Posted by cooperspooky

I think you should have made the story shorter and stopped after "No". No idea what you're talking about. I don't think the issue would be money since few if any of the people that post pics here got paid for them so 3 x 0 is still zero. Go ahead an use any of mine.

Erik is a pro and does it for a living, so I reckon he knows what's what.

aussie dollar · #17 22-02-2006, 16:16

djmyst IMHO has done the right thing some BMs have responded with "yea sure use what you like",guess his next step is to PM any BMs whose photos he wants to use who havent said ok.

dont think he will have a PROBLEM he has done the right thing.

Only thing is maybe using some Thai girls who dont want to be seen,this has been discussed before plenty of times,and as most of the photos of girls are decent on this forum cant see a problem.
(small side story here who owns copyright the person taking the photo or the subject of the photo,know the legal answer what about the moral answer)

djmyst · #18 22-02-2006, 16:20

I know about copyright materials.
I dont think thoose who don't like that i took the photos for the movieclip i made have answerd my question yet. I will not use pictures from them in the gallery. Hole ide of using pictures from here, is just to put them in one category so bms from here can see what pictures have been postet before. And of course this is for non benefit or commercial us.

I'm working on a script now, that just alows bm's to enter that folder with pictures from here. If you want to see the pictures you have to enter your username of this forum in a form. After a chek of the username is valid or not, you recive a password on mail or pm, and have access to the gallery. So then no other than people that is sign up here or sign up later can see them...

a little work to do but this can be the solution.... or i can do it the simpel way, just don't use the photos from here 555555.

aussie dollar · #19 22-02-2006, 16:32

ask hobbsy hes in most of the photos anyway

Heywood · #20 22-02-2006, 20:50

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Originally Posted by erik1

To make a very long story short. No. Unless you have written permission to publish a photo from the creator, he can charge 3 times the normal published amounts for the publication type as adviced by the branche organisations. And these will cost you a lot. So never publish pictures you not have the rights of or that are not royalty free.

Ok Erik define publish for me.

cooperspooky · #21 22-02-2006, 22:00

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Originally Posted by Heywood

Ok Erik define publish for me.

Legally speaking looks like Eric is correct. Practically speaking this seems along the same lines as taping a footballl game, which is alo illegal. This is from a Copyright web site " For example, is permission needed to reproduce a photo taken by a club member, a friend or a relative? The short answer is: "Legally, yes, practically, maybe." Copyright protection extends to any original work regardless of who created it, and permission is required for reproduction, display or distribution of the work. Getting explicit permission from the copyright owner is the best way to avoid a lawsuit. If the webmaster is confident that the copyright owner has consented to the use, particularly if the copyright owner is a friend or relative, the concern over a lawsuit diminishes, as does the need for a formal written permission agreement. An oral consent is valid, although some sort of written consent (even an email) is preferable because it will be easier to prove if a dispute arises. "

the bigboy · #22 22-02-2006, 23:07

every body knows i'm a bad boy so no problem from my side.

steve@thaib · #23 23-02-2006, 00:02

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Originally Posted by cooperspooky

Legally speaking looks like Eric is correct. Practically speaking this seems along the same lines as taping a footballl game, which is alo illegal. This is from a Copyright web site " For example, is permission needed to reproduce a photo taken by a club member, a friend or a relative? The short answer is: "Legally, yes, practically, maybe." Copyright protection extends to any original work regardless of who created it, and permission is required for reproduction, display or distribution of the work. Getting explicit permission from the copyright owner is the best way to avoid a lawsuit. If the webmaster is confident that the copyright owner has consented to the use, particularly if the copyright owner is a friend or relative, the concern over a lawsuit diminishes, as does the need for a formal written permission agreement. An oral consent is valid, although some sort of written consent (even an email) is preferable because it will be easier to prove if a dispute arises. "

Spot on. Intellectual property rights are a bit of an interest for me but the internet makes enforcing them very impractical. Reproducing anything, words or images, on a website without permission is a breach of copyright, doing anything about it would be very tricky.

I've had articles lifted wholesale and reproduced, when I found them I just e-mailed the site owner and asked him to acknowledge my work with a link back to the source.

The reality is that once you post something on a website you lose control of it. Photographers have a particular problem because their work, once placed in the shop window it needs, is very easy to steal. I'm not surprised they are touchy about it.