Don’t a judge BG by the (under) cover!

[Allybabba22]

Originally Posted by Mr Floatplane

Sorry but the bag would have been out of my room like a shot

No need to be sorry for that! Like I said, it is not easy to think so rationally in some situations – removing the bag would not have been without its risks, and at the time those risks seemed as great as sitting quietly in my room…

- Thinking someone on this some more, it would have been a good idea to have rang my embassy – they would have been closed, but they may have had an answering machine. Some recording of the situation on tape may have been handy should it have all gone wrong. I am going to put their number in my phone…

I really dont understand, The only risks I can see was the ones you brought on yourself by not just chucking her out with the bag straight away, Your only priority was getting the stuff off your premises, No point worrying about what happens after that, Because while you were worrying you could have been stitched right up....

Lets face it though, If she was setting you up and you threw her out straight away with the bag, Then it would look good for you, On the other hand not chucking her out put you under unnecessary risk IMO... You really Lucky...

PS: Ringing your embassy would be a good idea after chucking her out only, Just to get it on record, But if the bag is still on your property and you get busted, There is not much the embassy could do for you.....

[Mr Floatplane]

I don’t think there is any talking or messages that you could leave that would cover your ass in the event of being busted.. possession would be simple proof.. On your property they would be yours..
Yer, I guess you are right! I really don’t know how the law works in such matters, but if someone bringing something to your property makes you the owner of it, then the stuff was mine!!!! (pity it don’t work the same way when they turn up with gold jewelry!)

I really don’t understand,
Risks involved in moving it include getting busted with it in the process of removal, either by police, Mr Big, or the young lady who owned it, who possibly had a gun. Then where was I to take it? I would have had to hide it somewhere, and it could have looked rather suspicious if someone busted me hiding the bag. Then what about when she comes back and sees it is gone from either my place or the hiding place? We have to go and get it again, or she waves her pistol and gets rather uppity.
There are risks in removing and retrieving it…As I said, I did not have those risks weight up accurately with the risks of sitting quite. I openly admit the whole drama caught me by surprise and was somewhat stressful. Now you may not understand it, but in such situations people do not always weigh up all their options so clearly - just trying to explain and not at all excusing myself.

[Mr Floatplane]

I really don’t understand

So think of it this way:

Honestly picture yourself walking down the street in Thailand with a backpack full of drugs looking for someplace to stash them!!!! Is that a situation you would enthusiastically leap into?

It would take some courage!!! Far more courage than remaining ominously indoors with the bag…Perhaps I simply did not have the courage to remove them?

[Mr Floatplane]

Sorry Ally,

Too late at night!

The only risks I can see was the ones you brought on yourself by not just chucking her out with the bag straight away

My posts above deals with my actions after she left, rather than your question of not chucking her out right away…
I gave some reasons for in previous posts and again, the reasons may have been flimsy, but my tendency was to be cooperative with someone whom I (rightly or wrongly) suspected of having a gun and certainly the balls to use it…Honesty I was a little afraid, and I did not want to anger her, It would have been better to have shown more courage: but easier said than done!
I was rather relived that she volunteered to leave with my motorbike, so much so that I completely overlooked the fact that she had left her bag behind! Unbelievably stupid I know!
After that I was left with the dilemma of weather or not to remove it myself…

[Sirgezza]

If she was setting you up, I don't think she would have told you about the drugs. She is more likely to have put them somewhere in your house, made an axcuse to leave and then the cops would have arrived.

[LivinLOS]

Its getting stranger now.. Now your saying this 'sweet polite nice' girl you know has a gun and is likely to use it on you ?!?!?! Sounds like your just making excuses for inaction.. Few people have guns and even then far far few actually can or would use them.. Especially lf you were just inncocently cleaning house and covering your ass and letting her go get them later.

I would have left the backpack, removed the yaba, sealed it in any bag (multiple) or container and hidd that out in the darkness with all lights off..

Anyway hindsight is 20/20 but all this how shes now about to threaten you with a gun just sounds like dreamworld.

[Mr Floatplane]

Its getting stranger now.. Now your saying this 'sweet polite nice' girl you know has a gun and is likely to use it on you ?!?!?! Sounds like your just making excuses for inaction..

Hi LiL,
Starting to go around in circles with this thread, but anyhow, I will say again:
Yes, she was a sweet, polite, innocent seeming girl– however the very fact that she had the balls do what she did (deal large amounts) showed that she obviously had a fair amount of bottle! (Thus the title of the thread – don’t judge by the cover!) – certainly enough to pull a gun on me if she had one….Now I took the position that she had a gun because she asked me if I had one and because she said that it was a good idea to have a gun in Samui. Having made that question and comment, I thought it would be wise to assume she had a gun....In hindsight, perhaps it was a foolish assumption.

I did not write that she was likely to use it. I wrote that I considered it as possibility, and that possibility was perhaps exaggerated in my mind (Too much of an imagination you may say!)
(I had a gun pulled in me in Australia, not nice! Was in the hand of a pi-sd policeman! Long story, but it went to court and he ended up being stood down!)

As I said, some of actions were ‘unbelievably stupid’ – if that sounds like an excuse, then fair enough….

I would have left the backpack, removed the yaba, sealed it in any bag (multiple) or container and hidd that out in the darkness with all lights off..

Well I am a bit mystified as to how I turn off the street lights on route to this dark spot, but a fair enough suggestion….
Still it would have taken more courage than I possess to head out with a container of yaba on the hunt for some place to stash it…
Great you believe that you would have the courage to walk out onto the street in Thailand with a load of drugs, but frankly, I could not bring myself to do it…

[Allybabba22]

MrFloatplane you are totally missing the point, The minute you seen there was drugs in the bag regardless of what she had to say, You should have got "Her" to take her bag and go, And if she didnt move, Pick her and the bag up and throw her out and then ring your embassy or whatever...

You didnt need to be walking anywhere with the bag at all.... Her bag, Her problem, End of story....

PS: Did you see a gun? From what I have read the answer is no... So you took the risk of not chucking her out and maybe getting a life sentence in a Thai hellhole or the death penalty over the fear of a "Maybe" she had a gun?

Can you see where I am coming from?

PPS: Did you ever think to yourself that you were mixing her bravery up with stupidtity, Because she sounds stupid to me.... You are very lucky man to have got out of that situation like you have...

[Mr Floatplane]

Mr Floatplane you are totally missing the point, The minute you seen there was drugs in the bag regardless of what she had to say, You should have got "Her" to take her bag and go,

Yes, I get that point and I agree – the point being that I should have tossed her out right away regardless of anything else. I get where you are coming from...

You didn’t need to be walking anywhere with the bag at all.... Her bag, Her problem, End of story....

- Not having chucked her out right away (which I should have, I get that point!) it was not the end of the story... I then had the problem of what to do with it…I should have dealt with things better in the first instant, and then I would not have had that problem of what then to do with the bag... I made a mistake, which lead to another situation…

PS: Did you see a gun? From what I have read the answer is no...

No I did not – nor I was not expecting her to say “hey dude, take a look at my gun” .Still, whether she did or not, you are saying is beside the point; that should not have influenced anything I did…Fair enough…As I keep saying, I made various mistakes in how I handled the situation, one bad decision leads to another scenario…

PPS: Did you ever think to yourself that you were mixing her bravery up with stupidity, Because she sounds stupid to me....
Certainly it is stupid to deal drugs in my opinion. All the same, the word definition of what was prompting her behavior is secondary to that behavior itself in the moment, one can be brave out of stupidity after all - so feel free to exchange the word ‘brave’ in my posts for the word ‘stupid’ - ie if she was stupid enough to deal then she was stupid enough to…Blah blah…Going in circles!

[Allybabba22]

Originally Posted by Mr Floatplane

Mr Floatplane you are totally missing the point, The minute you seen there was drugs in the bag regardless of what she had to say, You should have got "Her" to take her bag and go,

Yes, I get that point and I agree – the point being that I should have tossed her out right away regardless of anything else. I get where you are coming from...

You didn’t need to be walking anywhere with the bag at all.... Her bag, Her problem, End of story....

- Not having chucked her out right away (which I should have, I get that point!) it was not the end of the story... I then had the problem of what to do with it…I should have dealt with things better in the first instant, and then I would not have had that problem of what then to do with the bag... I made a mistake, which lead to another situation…

PS: Did you see a gun? From what I have read the answer is no...

No I did not – nor I was not expecting her to say “hey dude, take a look at my gun” .Still, whether she did or not, you are saying is beside the point; that should not have influenced anything I did…Fair enough…As I keep saying, I made various mistakes in how I handled the situation, one bad decision leads to another scenario…

PPS: Did you ever think to yourself that you were mixing her bravery up with stupidity, Because she sounds stupid to me....
Certainly it is stupid to deal drugs in my opinion. All the same, the word definition of what was prompting her behavior is secondary to that behavior itself in the moment, one can be brave out of stupidity after all - so feel free to exchange the word ‘brave’ in my posts for the word ‘stupid’ - ie if she was stupid enough to deal then she was stupid enough to…Blah blah…Going in circles!

Anyway enough said already, Just glad that it all worked out in the end,
If it ever happens to you again, You will know what to do for sure...

[Equanimous]

From what I've all read over the last few years, Samui is not a place to hangout long-term, youi're bound to have stuff happen to you?

[LivinLOS]

I dont know.. Samui is a little more lawless and has always had that rep but you dont go to a island on the 3rd world and expect it to be just like home..

I am fairly partial to Samui.. Rapidly over developing but so are all the nice spots..