Ever Spent A Romantic Evening With...

[seafox]

Yes!

Took a lady from Tijuana down to a little resort town called Puerto Nuevo, 60 miles south of TJ, for a weekend. And also took her out for dinner and dancing a few nights in TJ, all over a period of 2 months.

Great looking lady, not much english and my spanish is not great but she was stunning and we had fun together.

Unfortunately she moved back to Guadalajara.

[ub2yoo]

Originally Posted by LivinLOS

Sorry guys.. But anyone that takes money or something of value in exchange for sex is a prostitute.. I dont think any less of them at all but thats it end of story.

I know I know, but that doesn't leave much room for discussion.

[wasabi]

I have many thoughts about this. First of all there is commonality and differences between BG's and other working girls. The commonality is money is #1 for all of them. That's not so strange, this is their job and we all want to make as much as possible. However I do believe a BG is more likely to fall for a customer than working girls in the western world. Working girls in the western world view it strictly as a job and I think often look pretty condescendingly on their customers as guys who can't otherwise get laid.

I think BGs while wanting to maximize profit view their customers more favorably and not with such disdain. If a guy treats them good, and the BG has the right attitude I think a relationship can develop. The thing is with many Thai girls, BGs or otherwise money will always be #1. When the money stops flowing the honey stops too. The good thing about a TG is Thailand is not too expensive so if you can find a way to port your western wages over you might have the GFE for life.

[visa2003]

I have always loved the GFE, but the problems seem to to come when it is time to end it!!! The tears and declarations of love sometimes get to be a bit too mutt!!! Even had one girl follow me to 3 different hotels ( worked out well as that was how I found my current favourite hotel!) It can get a little confusing as some of them are very convincing and makes me wonder if it is real There should be some sort of acting award for some of these girls.
To me, the line between prositution and emotion gets very blurred at this point and it can be hard to tell who is playing who!!!

[Insomniac]

Thats why i don't take the same girl more than 3 days / 3 times. After that... NEXT!!! Otherwise they start to get too clingy for my liking. Sometimes i believe the feelings and emotions are real from both parties however, i ignore it as i think i'm kidding myself. But then again, something serious is about the last thing i'm looking for at the moment...

[tomtom65]

so they are really dangerous?

[JayBee]

Originally Posted by LivinLOS

when you look at a per day charge in relative spending power its not far off what a BG gets per day in this country.

I beg to differ. In fact, I think you are way, way off on this one.

Relative to the US, the costs of goods and services in LOS is roughly about a ratio of 5 to 1, more or less depending on the item or service. Except when it comes to the company of a young woman. If what you are saying were true, then we could expect to receive the same service here in the farang world for 5 times as much as what it would cost in LOS. Therefore, the 1000 Baht LT service would cost roughly $125 in America. Figuring in a BF, as well, let's say $150. For $150 in the US you could get a quickie CBJ at a massage parlor($100 for the girl, $50 for the house).

To get a GFE from a girl who isn't both fat and ugly, LT would cost approx. $3000, m/l. That is a ratio of 100 to 1 between what you pay in LOS to what you pay for the same service, only not as good, in the US.

So I think that the relative spending power of $3000 in the US is not even remotely equivalent to the relative spending power of $30 in LOS.

Even though costs for girls might not be quite that bad in Europe, I still don't think the difference is enough to say that the spending power of what the girl makes in Europe is not many times greater than the spending power of the money a BG makes in LOS.

Another way of looking at it is that it would cost a BBK Thai man, making an average BKK income, approx. 2 days wages for LT with a BG, if he was crazy enough to pay farang prices. His American counterpart would pay almost 2 months' income for a girl to give him a LT GFE here in the US. Which is why it is basically unheard of for an average guy to spend a paid-for night with a ****** in this country. If you want the breakdown on avg. incomes and the calcs, I can provide them.

As you say, the GFE is available in farangland, but only for the ultrarich. In LOS, any guy making an above-average income could easily afford it. After all, look at Alfie!! Not exactly rubbing elbows with the rich and famous, but I'm sure he does OK!

BTW, 24/7 GFE is $5,000 per day and up. Imagine spending a month with a girl in the US, like many BMs have done in LOS! Only $150K, a mere pittance! In LOS if the girl likes you, the cost for 24/7 is same as the LT cost, sometimes even less, when it is more than a few days.

[LivinLOS]

The way I looked at the approx numbers were..

I am pretty sure you would get GFE full time escort services for about 1000 Euros per day in Europe, especially if taking them shopping etc and over a few days. 5 days for 5k Euro I am sure that would be about right.. Not just a dinner date but 24/7.

Does an average person make 1000 Euros per week pre tax ?? Not quite is my guess.. but defianetly makes more than 500 per week pre tax.

So now we have a normal cost of an escort 24/7 being about 1 or 2 weeks wages.

So compared to these girls would 1000 - 2000 baht per day be normal for one or two weeks wages.. Seemed about ballpark to me.. Puts wages in the 4 - 8k range.. Thats about what they earn not working bar.

[erik1]

Bridge to far there are many peanuts there

Originally Posted by LivinLOS

Well often initial contact was cause they were fishing in the clubs late.. but I agree that probably they were more freelancing and enjoying time as well as hooking.. That probably lead into more relaxed interaction than clock watching. So sometimes money was exchanged, sometimes it wasnt.. But I agree that the fact that initial hookup wasnt in a bordello or behind windows probably made for a more social aspect.

There was one woman / girl who I did get closer with.. She worked (windows) on the houseboats in Utrecht.. 1/4 Indonesian the rest Dutch (born in Holland) and super cute little thing.. Nicknamed 'Pinda' (peanut).. I would sometimes drop through while working (doing insane hours) and she was never in a hurry to clockwatch etc and we would chat and chill after etc.. She lived up in Den Haag (so could work not locally to where she lived) and did 12 - 7 daytime shift so would be free in the evenings.. Had a Dutch boyfriend but he wasnt live in and he didnt mind that she worked, I had a low opinion of that and I think so did she..

Anyway if I was still working at 8 or 9 in Amsterdam or Den Haag I would drop in and either take her for a meal or she would cook for me and we would chill for a few hours at her place. The fact was though I would be starting work at 4 or 5 am and would be knackered by evening and didnt sleep there (except by mistake) and with me living a few hours drive further was usually gone by midnight.. So I really didnt have any time in my life to spend any with her.

Great little woman, confident, intelligent, spoke multiple languages, dressed classy, etc etc.. Wonder where little Pinda is these days. Hope shes moved on from the windows.

[ub2yoo]

Originally Posted by LivinLOS

There was one woman / girl who I did get closer with.. She worked (windows) on the houseboats in Utrecht.. 1/4 Indonesian the rest Dutch (born in Holland) and super cute little thing.. Nicknamed 'Pinda' (peanut).. I would sometimes drop through while working (doing insane hours) and she was never in a hurry to clockwatch etc and we would chat and chill after etc.. She lived up in Den Haag (so could work not locally to where she lived) and did 12 - 7 daytime shift so would be free in the evenings.. Had a Dutch boyfriend but he wasnt live in and he didnt mind that she worked, I had a low opinion of that and I think so did she..

Anyway if I was still working at 8 or 9 in Amsterdam or Den Haag I would drop in and either take her for a meal or she would cook for me and we would chill for a few hours at her place. The fact was though I would be starting work at 4 or 5 am and would be knackered by evening and didnt sleep there (except by mistake) and with me living a few hours drive further was usually gone by midnight.. So I really didnt have any time in my life to spend any with her.

Well, one thing is for sure, the working girls in Holland are pussy's and not worth the money this hot summer.

Long live the BG in Thailand

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/4..._de_hitte.html

Sorry, it's only in Dutch, maybe you can try http://babelfish.altavista.com/

I love Holland for that. They openly publish in the newspaper their concerns about how hard life is these days for the working girls because it's so hot and they have no airco in the rooms and show pitty for them...don't know if any other country will do this ?

[JayBee]

Originally Posted by LivinLOS

The way I looked at the approx numbers were..

I am pretty sure you would get GFE full time escort services for about 1000 Euros per day in Europe, especially if taking them shopping etc and over a few days. 5 days for 5k Euro I am sure that would be about right.. Not just a dinner date but 24/7..

I'll accept that as I'm sure you would know more about it than I. However, it does seem a bit cheap, considering the fact that everything else in Europe is more expensive than the US.

Originally Posted by LivinLOS

Does an average person make 1000 Euros per week pre tax ?? Not quite is my guess.. but defianetly makes more than 500 per week pre tax...

Those figures seem to be close to the mark. Actually, they are low for Scandanavia and Switzerland, right on the money for Ireland and England, a little high for Holland, France, Germany, and Belgium, and way too high for the rest of the European countries. (See http://www.finfacts.com/biz10/global...percapita.htm).

Originally Posted by LivinLOS

So now we have a normal cost of an escort 24/7 being about 1 or 2 weeks wages....

Whoa..... hold your horses, there, pardner!! That is quite a difference between one week and two weeks! According to the figures you just stated, it would be 2 weeks wages!

Originally Posted by LivinLOS

So compared to these girls would 1000 - 2000 baht per day be normal for one or two weeks wages.. Seemed about ballpark to me.. Puts wages in the 4 - 8k range.. Thats about what they earn not working bar.

OK, now we get down to the real nitty gritty. You quote average income for an average person in Europe, then you compare it to what a person with a 6th grade education, no skills, no training, and no experience, i.e., a BG, would be making at her job skills level in the LOS workplace. Yes, she would be making that much if she got a regular job in BKK, but the average working male in BKK is making double the high end of your range(approx. 16,000 Baht/mo. according to statistics I got off Google).

So for a fair comparison, the girls in LOS would have to be getting paid 10,000 Baht per night/day to be making comparable earnings to the Euro ****** on a LT price comparison basis! So a BG is making 10% of what a Eurogirl is making, after you factor in the difference in buying power.

Also, do you think the fat, bald, goofy-looking guy, whose breath smelled of curry or garlic, just off the plane from India/Arabia/China, who couldn't speak a word of English, would get the same price(1000 EUD/24hr) that you or another native Englishman may get in London? Nor would a Thai be likely to pay the same prices we farangs pay in LOS.

And we haven't even begun to factor in the income tax angle, because when you calculate after-tax Euros vs. after-tax Bahts, the ratios change much more radically, since Thais pay no taxes on the first 80,000 Baht of annual income, and 5% on the next 20,000 and so on. A Thai making 100,000 Baht per annum would have 99,000 Baht after taxes. A Euro making 30K EUD per annum would have how much after taxes? I don't know the answer to that, but BMS here have said tax rates are very high, like 50%. If that is true, then the 2 weeks income spent for one night of pleasure is really 4 weeks income!

We end up at 4 weeks income vs. 2 days income! So, there there is no comparability. LT paid-for sex/companionship is only for the ultrarich in Europe or the US. Which is why you don't see it much there or at all here. In LOS, you do see it, just go to one of the Thai cabaret/karaokes.

[LivinLOS]

I readily admit that I may be on the low side.. It was just something I thought as I typed and you may be right its possibly a little out..

Originally Posted by JayBee

I'll accept that as I'm sure you would know more about it than I. However, it does seem a bit cheap, considering the fact that everything else in Europe is mor expensive than the US.

I would think that the permissive angle of mainland Europe to prostitution would allow for a lower price point..

When I left Holland things had just moved from NLG to Euro a behind the windows ST was 50 NLG and 100 NLG for a blow only or suck and ****.. When things moved to Euro the prices appreciated about 10% (Euro was 2.2 NLG so nearly everything just doubled) so it was 25 Euro and 50 Euro... Little bit cheaper in Antwerp IIRC..

Also the papers are full of local adverts for girls working from thier flats etc.. I think this way you end up with a much less hurried experience and probably work into a more social arrangement. I dont know much about this side though or the escort / companion side. Despite how it may sound I was not some crazed monger just knowing how the hustles work always interest me.

I remember going out on a gangsters massive motor yacht one day.. 4 of us guys and he laid on 6 girls of model quality who all came out as entertainment.. I have no idea what he paid them but I would be really surprised if it was more than 1k each.. Quite possibly a fair bit less (500) remember a girl having a fun day is like a BG enjopying being with a LT customer.. A girl working 3 or 4 ST's a night makes much more than the LT companion prices your thinking and quoting.

Whoa..... hold your horses, there, pardner!! That is quite a difference between one week and two weeks! According to the figures you just stated, it would be 2.5 weeks wages!

Sorry dont follow you..

If someone makes over 500 and less than 1000 (before tax.. Remember in Europe taxes are kinda massive but you also get a lot for it) in a week.. Then it would be between 1 - 2 weeks wages to be 1000 to be 2.5 weeks would mean 400 Euro or the under 500 in my rough thinking ??

Lets split the difference an say someone is 750 before tax.. Then 1000 Euros is 1.3 weeks work..

OK, now we get down to the real nitty gritty. You quote average income for an average person in Europe, then you compare it to what a person with a 6th grade education, no skills, no training, and no experience, i.e., a BG, would be making at her job skills level in the LOS workplace. Yes, she would be making that much if she got a regular job in BKK, but the average working male in BKK is making double the high end of your range(approx. 16,000 Baht/mo. according to statistics I got off Google).

OK fair enough.. I will agree with this here.. I just kind of did a rough mental calc.. The kind of money the girls I met back in Europe could probably have made doing secretarial, modeling, or other.. and the kind of money the girls here could make in thier local environment..

So for a fair comparison, the girls in LOS would have to be getting paid 10,000 Baht per night/day to be making comparable earnings to the Euro ****** on a LT price comparison basis! So a BG is making 10% of what a Eurogirl is making, after you factor in the difference in buying power.

Completely lost me.. How do you get to 10k per night ??

Lets use your numbers.. average wages is 16k baht.. Weekly Bangkok wage 4k.. Ok well BG's dont on average get 4k in BKK but then I dont see too many BG's with 16k jobs..

Lets say a BG gets 8 - 10k per month working in BKK (seems right) v 2 - 2.5k a night hooking in BKK.. Perfect 4:1 or 1 weeks wages per night spent on the game. I know BKK prices are higher but it fits my argument better

Part of this equation is that the girls in Europe have options for better employment than thier Thai counterparts.. I would think most of the girls working had enough education and smarts that if they wanted real work they could have found real jobs.. Thier Thai sisters are stuck in the menial jobs and also the Thai class structure will hold them down more if they are of darker skin and Issan noses and appearance etc.

Also, so you think the fat, bald, goofy-looking guy, whose breath smelled of curry or garlic, just off the plane from India/Arabia/China, who couldn't speak a word of English, would get the same price(1000 EUD/24hr) that you or another native Englishman may get in London? Nor would a Thai be likely to pay the same prices we farangs pay in LOS.

Actually I was thinking Holland as I lived there more as an adult.. Thats perhaps a little unfair as there are many girls working and the conditions for working girls are safer so many girls do it that wouldnt in higher risk and stigma places.. I know almost nothing about UK sex and escort trades.. Never met any or been with any..

In Holland finding a ****** is as easy as opening the paper or going to the towns red light (for ST) its open and as easy to find as that.. Then theres the prive houses and out of town bordellos for slower arrangments / less clock watching and for illicit business meetings etc. Whenever I was trying to bribe a foreman or get a company inside man to pass my invoices.. The place to turn thier head was in a bordello.. Get women in their underwear around and guys cant think straight.

And we haven't even begun to factor in the income tax angle, because when you calculate after-tax Euros vs. after-tax Bahts, the ratios change much more radically, since Thais pay no taxes on the first 80,000 Baht of annual income, and 5% on the next 20,000 and so on. A Thai making 100,000 Baht per annum would have 99,000 Baht after taxes. A Euro making 30K EUD per annum would have how much after taxes? I don't know the answer to that, but BMS here have said tax rates are very high, like 50%. If that is true, then the 2.5 weeks income spent for one night of pleasure is really 5 weeks income!

Agreed income tax is a biggie and I purposely said out side the tax system as people in Thailand generally pay little to none..

The mitigating factor I think though is that in Europe there are services provided for thier taxes.. A girl gets sick she goes to the hospital.. A girl gets social insurance.. A girl gets benefits for her payments.

So we end up at 5 weeks income vs. 2 days income again! So, there there is no comparability. LT paid-for sex/companionship is only for the ultrarich, be it in Europe or the US. Which is why you don't see it there or here. In LOS, you do see it, just go to one of the cabaret/karaokes.

I still dont see the 5 weeks for the cost of a girl for a day in Europe or 2 days normal guys wages here..

I might be a little bit out on the low side but I still think that compared to wages a girl for a full day would cost about between 1 and 2 weeks pre tax wages in either place.

[LivinLOS]

Apologies if these are starting to sound a little bit crude and mercenary but looking at the economics of the game.

Also thinking from another angle..

A Girl in Holland for ST was 25 NLG for a *******.. She would need to do 20 *******s to make a low paid normal guys weekly wage and 40 to make a above average guys weekly wage.

If a TG only charges 500 baht a ******* (thats cheap these days IMHO) and did 20 BJ she makes 10k.. If she does 40 at the same its 20k..

Same same ???

Now I think most TG's would be looking at 1k ST most of the time now ?!?! I also think that the prices I am giving you of Holland 4 years back may not be correct anymore.. But I still would maintain that the Thai girl is doing equal price if not better (in the ST side) than her Dutch counterpart working ST. in relative wage terms.

Seems to me we are still talking about rough equals in spending power and % of a notmal weekly wage ?? between 5% and 10% of a weeks wages for a quickie.. About 100% - 150% of a weekly wage for a full time 24/7 service.

I could also point out that the level of girl you get for that money may not bias Thailand as much as you think.. How much would a fluently multi lingual, classy dressed, sophisticated dinner companion set you back in BKK..

The more I think about it the more I am sure that the girls in Holland at the lower end of the market (where I would percieve many BG's to be) the immigrants, the less educated, the not so stunning etc who work the street windows scene would happily take 500 Euros for a day.. Thats 20 *******s to the window girls.. I dont know how many days they do that.. Plus they have to pay rent for thier window room. These girls are not the high end model quality sophisticated escorts.. But look at what a posiden high end model quality girl would cost in BKK !!! Comparing like for like (educated, well dressed, not tattoo'ed, sophisticated, stunner) gets even closer to my numbers.

Again sorry that these posts sound so financial just thinking about spending power v the work from the girls point fo view is all.

[JayBee]

Originally Posted by LivinLOS

Sorry dont follow you..

If someone makes over 500 and less than 1000 (before tax.. Remember in Europe taxes are kinda massive but you also get a lot for it) in a week.. Then it would be between 1 - 2 weeks wages to be 1000 to be 2.5 weeks would mean 400 Euro or the under 500 in my rough thinking ??

Lets split the difference an say someone is 750 before tax.. Then 1000 Euros is 1.3 weeks work..

I made a mistake in my post, later corrected it. Got mixed up between dollars and Euros. 2 weeks wages at 500 Euro per week. When I edited the post after you read it, I included the link where I got the info on avg. incomes for European countries. http://www.finfacts.com/biz10/global...epercapita.htm I thought you said avg income is 500 and I agreed with that. Therefore 1000 EUD = 2 weeks earnings.

Originally Posted by LivinLOS

Completely lost me.. How do you get to 10k per night ??

Lets use your numbers.. average wages is 16k baht.. Weekly Bangkok wage 4k.. Ok well BG's dont on average get 4k in BKK but then I dont see too many BG's with 16k jobs..

Simple. If a Euro****** gets 1000 per night, which is 2 weeks of avg. person's income in Europe, then 2.5 weeks of avg. Thai guy's income at 16,000 per month = 10,000. To be fair, I forgot to correct the previous mistake, so that should be 2 weeks income = 8,000 Baht.

Originally Posted by LivinLOS

Lets say a BG gets 8 - 10k per month working in BKK (seems right) v 2 - 2.5k a night hooking in BKK.. Perfect 4:1 or 1 weeks wages per night spent on the game.

OK. This is a crucial point in our disagreement. You keep figuring how many nights a BG would pay for a "night on the game" at the rate she would be making at a menial job. But BGs don't ever(or rarely) pay for a night of sex with a BG! So when you are comparing what it costs in Holland or wherever with what it costs in LOS, you have to compare what a guy makes in Holland with what a guy makes in LOS. Not what a LOS girl on the low end of the wage scale makes with what a EURO guy on the upper end of the wage makes. That is why the number you use for LOS are low and the number you use for Holland are high!! And that is the crux of our disagreement, my friend!

Originally Posted by LivinLOS

Actually I was thinking Holland as I lived there more as an adult.

I picked UK for the example for no particular reason, except maybe the avg. income there is 500 EUD per week. It's more like 450 in Holland.

Originally Posted by LivinLOS

In Holland finding a ****** is as easy as opening the paper or going to the towns red light (for ST) its open and as easy to find as that.. Then theres the prive houses and out of town bordellos

.

Actually, in SF/Oakland area, it ahs gotten to the point where you can just open the paper and look through the pics and descriptions of the girls, call them up and book a date. But you are talking $250 for below avg., $300 for medium looking, $400 for good-looking/GFE per hour. You can get way below avg. for 100 per 30 minutes, but why bother? They don't discount much, maybe $700 per 2 hours, $2500 per 8 hours, which in my book is less than LT. I think that if you have enough money to play around with them a bit, unitl you find one who likes you, and you strike up a friendship, then eventually you would bet a return customer/friend discount. But how much money would you be out of pocket to get to that point. There are no bordellos here. It is all through the papers, phone chat lines, and internet(craigslist).

Originally Posted by LivinLOS

The mitigating factor I think though is that in Europe there are services provided for thier taxes.. A girl gets sick she goes to the hospital.. A girl gets social insurance.. A girl gets benefits for her payments.

******s get benefits! Amazing! Do they pay taxes and get pensions, as well!

Originally Posted by LivinLOS

I still dont see the 5 weeks for the cost of a girl for a day in Europe or 2 days normal guys wages here.

I was wrong. It's 4 weeks. 2 x 500/week = 1000 Euros. Double that in after-tax dollars = 4 weeks. 2 days still stands if we can agree that a Thai guy is not likely to pay more than 1000 Baht for LT. 4 days if you insist that he might pay 2000, altho I think then we are talking about a wealthy Thai guy, not an average Thai guy.

[JayBee]

Originally Posted by LivinLOS

A Girl in Holland for ST was 25 NLG for a *******.. She would need to do 20 *******s to make a low paid normal guys weekly wage and 40 to make a above average guys weekly wage.

This discussion started off on the theme of romantic evenings with BGs/******s, nothing to do with quickie BJs or ST.

Originally Posted by LivinLOS

Seems to me we are still talking about rough equals in spending power and % of a notmal weekly wage ?? between 5% and 10% of a weeks wages for a quickie.. About 100% - 150% of a weekly wage for a full time 24/7 service.

I disagree. See previous post.

Originally Posted by LivinLOS

I could also point out that the level of girl you get for that money may not bias Thailand as much as you think.. How much would a fluently multi lingual, classy dressed, sophisticated dinner companion set you back in BKK..

That is sort of my point. I think the fact that there are a lot of BGs who BMs have a very romantic experience with, and many times fall in love with, speaks volumes about the manners and quality of so many of the simple Isaan girls. That is why we like them so much. They are usually polite, well-mannered, shy, and conservative. Well, at least, when they first arrive in BKK or Phuket. Personally, I doubt if I would feel comfortable with a multi-lingual clothes-horse. And the BGs that dress slutty turn me off. Most of them dress in a sexy, but conservative way. Simple, clean, and well-scrubbed. That's what I like!

Originally Posted by LivinLOS

Comparing like for like (educated, well dressed, not tattoo'ed, sophisticated, stunner) gets even closer to my numbers.

Not every BG is a stunner, but neither are all the high-priced ******s around here, IMHO. I don't really want a girl who is overly sophisticated. A lot of high-priced ******s are sophisticated, either, just good looking. Other than level of sophistication, I think many of the BGs compare well with high-priced ******s in the West. In fact, I would go as far as to say that half or more of the BGs I've gone with would do quite well financially as ******s in the US. That fresh, unsophisticated attitude, school-girl look, and great sense of fun and humor would translate to $ and cents quite well here. I think many of them could pull the kind of money I am talking about with only a little bit of English lessons, and someone putting them up in a nice apt. in a nice neighborhood.

Actually, now that I think about it, every single girl that I have ever paid 2000 Baht LT to was IMHO of equal or better quality in looks than the girsl here who can pull down $3000 LT. Many of the girls who were less than that would qualify by that standard, as well.

[LivinLOS]

Taken at random

Originally Posted by JayBee

******s get benefits! Amazing! Do they pay taxes and get pensions, as well!

Of course..

That tax office always wants a slice.. They come round the windows checking ID and tax numbers against registered unemployed, illegal immigrants, and tax payment history through thier sofi number and the tax office sure as hell wants a cut of estimated earnings.. They have accountants and thier books done !!! The same with the german brothels etc, the government will tolerate these things if they get thier cut !! This all works into thier pensions and social insurance.

And anyway you miss understanding my point. These girls get benefits anyway through the government even if they dont pay taxes... Even without paying taxes they get free medicare etc.. Possibly claim unemployment, housing benefits.. Etc..

My point was you want to look at someones after tax earnings.. I am making pre tax points because where in the states you have after tax earnings but then pay your medical insurances etc out of that, thats not how it works in Europe.. Your after tax money is less in your hand but it pays for costs that in the states are out of pocket expenses. Your net earnings may be lower in Europe but there are also stuff thats paid already.

[LivinLOS]

Originally Posted by JayBee

I made a mistake in my post, later corrected it. Got mixed up between dollars and Euros. 2 weeks wages at 500 Euro per week. When I edited the post after you read it, I included the link where I got the info on avg. incomes for European countries. http://www.finfacts.com/biz10/global...epercapita.htm I thought you said avg income is 500 and I agreed with that. Therefore 1000 EUD = 2 weeks earnings.

No I think that average wage pre tax is probably over 500 Euro per week.. That would leave post tax wages averaging about 300 - 350 which is low to live.. Purely guessing but a blue collar worker would be well over 1000 Euros (pre tax.. Just a regular building site worker.. Some of our guys topped out at nearly 2k but thats lots of hours and well above average..) I really dont know but I think a normal persons wages for a full time job would be that.

So somewhere between 1 and 2 weeks wages to get 1000 Euro Pre tax.

Simple. If a Euro****** gets 1000 per night, which is 2 weeks of avg. person's income in Europe, then 2.5 weeks of avg. Thai guy's income at 16,000 per month = 10,000. To be fair, I forgot to correct the previous mistake, so that should be 2 weeks income = 8,000 Baht.

I dont think too many Euro ******s get 1000 per night unless they are of the stunner / escort service level which is super high.

If you talk immigrant, black girls, etc etc Not dressed like a high end companion with a temperament to match your going to look at 500 or less.. The more I think about the street level girls who would compare to the BG level girls the more I think these would be under 1000.. 1000 would be for a stunnin