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17-09-2006, 11:44
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now it's happen.. wheres next?
i wake up to read about hat yai. very very sad in a country where everyone wants to live in peace. bombs exploding in areas visited by foreigners. since the start of this all happening i always wondered when it was going to hit tourism. these people have no regards for human lives. killing monks, teachers, police officers, military personel, other innocent people, and the worse young children having to witness these acts. there is no reasoning with these kinds of people. its probably only a matter of time when it is phuket, bangkok, samui, and other popular tourist destinations. if one of these places takes a hit no need to worry about the visa problem. no one will be here.
what now will the thai government do? 
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17-09-2006, 13:39
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Government have failed for two years, I am not sure what they can do more.
Maybe give up that terrority and let them have their own state, administer and manage it by themself. (The most southern part of Thailand; Yala, Pattani and Narathiwat)
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17-09-2006, 14:42
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this problem has been there for quite a while,including bombings very often
seems to be isolated to that area. The arrest and transport of locals to bangkok a few years ago with many dieing on that trip has not helped the situation. dont think there is a solution except maybe what nicke suggests but cant see that happening.
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17-09-2006, 15:22
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If you give them that, then they will want Phuket, since it is traditionally a Muslim area before all the tourism came there. Then you will see bombings in Phuket to chase out the tourists. If you gave those areas up, then all the Buddhist Thais there would suffer, or they would have to leave their homes and get out. I think what you will see is business as usual. Thailand is not about to relinquish power over a few bombings. They will continue to seek out the perpetrators, and perhaps press the hunt a bit harder. If, in the meantime, the terrorists were to set off bombs in Patong which caused serious loss of life, then I think you would see very, very grave reprisals against the Muslims, who would suffer greatly for it. That would change the game.
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17-09-2006, 16:43
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The southern situation is a little more complex than simply muslim issues.. Yala Pattini Narathiwat were not Thailand as recently as 100 years ago.. Thier history of being a seperate autonomous region (previously Malay) run up to 60's or 70's and there were heavy cioflict and fighting to be a independant state or state within a state back in the 70's..
Thailand administering from BKK tends to write those areas off.. Very little government support, infrastructure, terrible roads, no / poor hospitals etc.. And by creating a very economically poor region while combining a ethnic group who are not 'Thai' but have to pay the same costs as Thais for less benefits have succeeded in building resentment. To categorize this as a 'muslim' issue is not really looking beyong the very surface.. But by doing so real fanatics are now going there to turn the issue into exactly that. Thus breeding the danger. To be honest old square heads handling of this whole subject has been a D- at best.. Tak Bai was a gov massacre.. Machine gunning people who have teken refuge in a Mosque armed with nothing more than local farmers knives etc doesnt win hearts and minds.
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17-09-2006, 23:19
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now it's happen.. wheres next?
Yes I was down that area in 1978 and then there was also trouble. But everyone knew about it and also was aware of not going off the beaten track as you could be shot and questioned afterwards. If you were a Muslim in those days you had the worst of all cards and would be shot anyway. That is no excuse for these bombings but just where this all started from. So I am not sure what will happen and where next but I think that the people on Phuket are watching very close and so is the Thai Government as they don't want to have a copy of Bali. And they know that the world is watching about actions taken by the Thai Government. I hope this will be sufficient for the Thai Secret Service to open their eyes, ears and connections more.
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18-09-2006, 07:48
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To be fair they have never bombed phuket or similar tourist areas in the south to my knowledge and it's not the first time a farang has died - I seem to remember a story last year about them bombing carefour and the Hat Yai airport. I think they are not so much terrorists in the style of al qaeda but more insurgents/militia. Not that it matters to the victims of their evil doings, just saying that a Bali-style attack is unlikely to happen in my view.
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18-09-2006, 15:31
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>>saying that a Bali-style attack is unlikely to happen in my view.<<
Well the latest bombings included a shopping mall and a cinema...that's getting pretty close to a Bali style bombing IMO.
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18-09-2006, 21:51
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Well all over the local news here. I guess because the tragic death (they say first Farang to die in this conflict) was a english teacher from the Toronto area. The questions about safe travel to Thailand is already being discussed in the media.
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19-09-2006, 00:12
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They were motorcycle bombs so at least we know it wasn't IN the cinema. It's a subtle difference but an important one - they could have just as easily planted a backpack nailbomb inside or in the bins of the lobby. I'm not trying to diminish what they've done here but the Bali bombings took place inside the bars and specifically designed to kill as many as possible (they got 200 or so I think). Myself I think we're a ways off from an attack on a bar in patong for example - a different modus operandi entirely.
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19-09-2006, 12:18
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So just for an interesting conversation, lets say we get a bomb going off somewhere in Patong...actually, how about two events, 3 months apart to make it a bit more serious....how would that make people here feel, would you think twice about spending your vacation in Phuket?
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19-09-2006, 18:29
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I think just one bomb would have an huge impact on tourism to Phuket, and would get heavy media coverage. E.g. in Sweden as Phuket is a very popular destination.
Some governments would probably issue a travel warning that Phuket is not safe. I wouldnt move from Phuket if I can still make a living/income. Quote:
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19-09-2006, 18:32
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Have a look at Bali - has that come back to normal following the bombing there?
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19-09-2006, 18:42
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No bali is still down on its pre bomb tourism market..
Very rough economics there.. Extreme poverty.. Mate of my brothers who is a good honest nice fella with a young family.. Works hard for 30 USD a month !! Thier high season is summer while I was there.. Hotel occupancy at high season was 45%..
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19-09-2006, 18:44
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Anyone who knows if London had any decline in tourist arrivals since the London bombing?
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19-09-2006, 18:50
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Kinda different though comparing London or any other metropolis bombing.. It would have an effect but far less visibly..
How much of Londons economy is tourism in % terms.. What chance of being involved if something did go happen..
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19-09-2006, 18:54
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Yes, I know its comparing pears and apples but was just wondering if its a noticable decline in tourists or not. Also, London itself is an huge city and not dependent on tourism.
Phuket would for sure get the Bali effect and probably bigger decline than Tsunami caused. Quote:
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19-09-2006, 20:36
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Hopefully the fact phuket can be acessed by one bridge, sea and the airport is good enough to keeping out the guys who want to bomb. Also because Phuket has such a large muslim population that relies on toursim and property values which is differant than Hindu Bali I think that fact is one to consider.
The bombers would ultimately be hurting other muslims with a bombing of Phuket which they probably don't care about but the situation is differant than Bali in that regard. Yes it would defitnately not only hurt Phuket and wipe out the property market but also have a huge affect on tourism in general to Thailand. In the papers thay say the government now wants to have a meeting with the people leading the insurgency and work something out but they don't know who the leaders are.
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19-09-2006, 21:08
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Not really true.. The groups down there have often said they wanted dialogue and were open to discussing grievences.. Remember this is mostly not a fundamentlist issue but a long standing speratist movement and militia in a very poor and forgotten region. Taxin has been incredibly arrogant in his references to them, almost daring them and inciting them more.. He refered to them as 'simple bandits'.. and has used derogatory terms when he discribes or addresses them.. Along with a no dialogue policy and heavy handed military tactics against poorly armed (some argue unarmed in some of the massacres) civilian population. Then the king stepped in after tak bai.. Told taxin to chill and what was wacky tackys idea.. Drop 100000 of paper birds over the area !!! Hmmm.. I am beggining to think that Mr Simpson may not have been the brilliant strategist we though he was.. I recently read one of the gnerals had requested to be allowed to open dialogue and see if constructive methods could be used instead of trying to crush the groups.
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19-09-2006, 21:28
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i am quite sure there is wrong and right on both sides of the issues... but you don't go around bombing buildings, killing innocent people, monks, teachers (in front of children), police officers. this not acceptable.
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19-09-2006, 23:34
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Myself I would still be prepared to go but these things have a knock-on effect and could snowball into making phuket just not as an attractive tourist spot - less tourists, less money for development, bars going out of business, hotels closing down, day trips getting rarer and more expensive, the annoyance of the added security presence, girls moving away, etc etc. I think three or so attacks in a year and phuket would be done for.
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20-09-2006, 06:53
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Nope. Was still living there when it happened. Was business as usual. England has got used to been bombed. There was the nail bomb a few years ago and of course the IRA bombings.
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