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30-03-2004, 05:18
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Terror threat!
Hi guys,
I have just been reading a thread about 'wacko terrorists'. I am a bit worried about this. We can call these people 'rag heads' or 'muslim lunatics'. Is it any different to 15 years ago when we all 'thought' (or were spoon fed!) that the russians were the 'enemy'? For ANYBODY to blow themselves, and innocent people to oblivion, there must be a deep rooted hatred of the 'other' people who are causing you to hate them. Until we meet a person, and talk with them, then we are just as lunatic or crazy to think they are a bad person, just because they wear something on their heads. It happens all over the world. Great Britain stands up and talks about world peace, and it cant even sort out its own mess in Ireland. The USA massacred whole tribes of red indians. Israel fights with Palestine. It goes on and on...... The only thing that I have learnt on my 33 years on this planet, is - when I travel, I meet some of the most interesting and funny people you could ever hope to meet. They have been, German, Scandanavian, Italian, Spanish, Irish, Indian, Australian..... The list is endless. If anything, I come home feeling more dissapointed with the way people behave in the UK more than I do the rest of the world. People like ourselves (who are lucky enough to be able to travel) USUALLY see the world differently to the 'majority' back home. Lets not generalise about 'rag head muslims' etc. I would be reallt really hurt and upset if someone called me 'english shit bag', and they had never spent any time with me. Now then...... I have MANY people who get to know me, and THEN they think I am an 'english shit bag'. - Thats OK.  Lets not make it harder than it is. Dont call someone a cnut until you KNOW they are a cnut.
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30-03-2004, 06:30
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Hiya MIke
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No let's not, you are absolutely correct. And let's not forget the extremists that sent mothers and babies to run in front of our guns just a few months ago. And the extremists that forced individuals to wear 'suicide bomber' jackets - because - if they didn't they'd be subjected to Allahs will anyway!!!!! (ie immediate shot in forehead from 9mm handgun). I wasn't there - but I was there in '91. Quote:
Well, yes, sorry for the diatribe above - sometimes you need to get it out of your system - truth is - they do call us by these names (I'm not English, BTW) but believe me, we - colectively are known by some wonderfully colourfull names. If anyone thinks we aren't - they are severly deluding themselves.... The British are thought of 'just as badly, as everyone else in Europe!!!!'
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30-03-2004, 07:22
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That showed in a recent poll that 70% of them have a favorable view of Osama bin Laden.....Am I missing something or did not this A -hole murder 3,500 people on 9/11 And now I should worry about what the other small majority think about me.....''I don't think so'' I think you got it right driv........
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30-03-2004, 07:53
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Neither had Hitler..... There are extremists in every culture or race, it isnt something that just is happening among the muslims.. To generalize is easy, but do you realy think it is so easy  I wouldnt stand a minute in a life where i only see things black or white.....
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30-03-2004, 11:08
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The problems in south Thailand is caused by a small group of extremist people and many victims are other muslim people, I would say this is a political and mafia thing caused by influential people in the South, who control the border traffic with drugs and weapons.
To generalize is wrong, most muslims are nice and friendly, althought I don't like their Koran religion. Extremists can be found everywhere and in every race.
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30-03-2004, 12:47
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can of worms
[quote=Nicke]The problems in south Thailand is caused by a small group of extremist people and many victims are other muslim people, I would say this is a political and mafia thing caused by influential people in the South, who control the border traffic with drugs and weapons.
In addition, it was described to me, among these "influential people" are some who control the money that is increasingly budgeted to fight these problems whether it be local police or the army - and siphon a good percentage of it. I'm sure that this corruption theory, told to me in private by more than a few Thais during my trip last month won't surprise many on this forum, but it does add a wrinkle to the whole story. Thanks Nicke. And Mikegb, your thought that,"People like ourselves (who are lucky enough to be able to travel) USUALLY see the world differently to the 'majority' back home." must have something to do with the suprisingly low level of violence among tourists over there. That and the preoccupation with BG's, and all the energy they require.  Last edited by Dreamrider : 30-03-2004 at 12:53.
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30-03-2004, 18:15
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Like MikeGB said. We travel alot.
I travel alot and I will probably keep traveling 'till the day I die. I really enjoy meeting people from all over the world, learn about their cultures and make new friends everywhere. I'm not a racist, never been. I don't judge people by their skin or their religion, I judge them by how they act. I think that everyone is equal, no matter if they are white, black, brown, yellow, red or blue.. BUT those extremist muslims or islamic fanatics are really starting to piss me off.. (!) "Extremists can be found everywhere and in every race" Yeah sure! that is correct, but I read an article in the Swedish newspaper "Aftonbladet" a few weeks ago. They had a large list on all known terrorist organisations of the world and their history. It said that 70 - 80% of the terrorists are muslims and islamic fanatics, their targets are mainly civilians from Europe, Asia and the America. They even attack help organisations such as "The Red Cross", UN peace-keepers and hospitals in their own countries. It is as if they hate everyone everywhere on this planet. no one walks safe. *Some of the terrorist targets so far: New York Bali Israel Madrid India Thailand (and lots of arab countries just because they want to co-operate with "the west" or have democracy instead of islamic dictatorship.) Who is next?.. maybe you? The muslim fanatics do not want peace or democracy to be negotiated. For example, palestinian terrorists know that they cannot defeat the israelis in a military conflict. They want to enrage the israelis so the israelis will respond with military force and kill innocent muslims. They want the world to see photos and television images of israelis attacking innocent muslims. Palestinian terrorists think that muslims throughout the region will unite against israel if israel kills enough innocent civilians while pursuing the terrorists. They want the "West VS East" conflict to continue until all Muslims in the region unite into an empire lead by Al-qaida & Hamas. If that happens, they will grow strong and march to war against everyone who is against them and there will be massive terrorist attacks all over the world. they will have their precious "Jihad". World War3 anyone?.. They hate democracy, they hate other religions and non-believers, they hate people from the west and people who... eat at MC-donalds.  To "them" you are all western infidels and scumbags. Its not racism. Its a fact! Why don't you visit Iraq or Ahfganistan etc, and see for yourself?.. and don't forget to bring a kevlar vest + helmet. Its as if alot of people from Europe are sooo afraid of realizing the truth or saying something bad about the terrorists. Everyone is so afraid of beeing called a racist, but it is NOT racism to "be against" people who have no respect for human lives and other peoples beliefs. I think that people need to experience a terrorist attack before they can open their eyes. I'm generalizing ALOT here. Of course I know that most muslims r probably nice, want peace and a normal life. Last edited by osiriz : 30-03-2004 at 20:25.
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30-03-2004, 19:20
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Yes, I agree with Nicke. I also brought my muslim friend with me to Phuket He is a practising Muslim but he told me that Phuket is heaven!!!!  Just for your info, the extreme Muslim elements in Malaysia has been just swept aside during the general election on March 21. The ruling party which profess and practise progressive islam, together with its coalition multiracial parties obtained 90% of the seats and captured back 1 state and nearly took the other remaining state (3 seats margin). The explosion at Kolok is big news in Malaysia and it is a sad case and the Malaysian govt is cooperating with the Thai authorities to catch the culprits. Malaysian
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30-03-2004, 19:20
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Muslim fanatics/terrorists should all be shot. I have no time or tolerence for their beligerent attitudes and total disregard for human life. Their cowardly acts of bombing innocent people instead of fighting in the frontlines and showing themselves shows how spineless they really are. Any muslim that preaches terrorism or instigates it should be jailed or shot...no exceptions. They don't want to tolerate the West so f _ _k em. I still can't believe quite a few European countries allow these clerics to preach this kind of hate.
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30-03-2004, 21:42
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Scumbag terrorist pigs.
I agree with everything RICHIE007 says about islamic terrorist and how we should deal with them. But, it's not only muslims that commit terrrorist acts against innocent people. You can add to them the basques, ira. hindu's and several of the worlds governments. Granted some of these organisations will tell you they have a political agenda to justify their actions, eg. independance, a united country, freedom etc. etc. but to me anyone, not just islamic fundamentalists, who preaches violence against innocent people should have a bullet through the head, no second chance.
They are all filth, every last one of them and not one of them deserves to live. I work with and have many friends from many different ethnic and cultural backgrounds and not a single one of them would condone the atrocities that are carried out in the name of religion, etc. I reckon that we should all learn to respect everyone for who they are and treat our fellow human beings as we ourselves would like to be treated, regardless of their ethnic / cultural origins. at the same time we should all be on our guard against the scum that would tell us how we should live our lives.
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30-03-2004, 21:56
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[quote=mikegb]Hi guys,
I have just been reading a thread about 'wacko terrorists'. I am a bit worried about this. We can call these people 'rag heads' or 'muslim lunatics'. Is it any different to 15 years ago when we all 'thought' (or were spoon fed!) that the russians were the 'enemy'? For ANYBODY to blow themselves, and innocent people to oblivion, there must be a deep rooted hatred of the 'other' people who are causing you to hate them. Until we meet a person, and talk with them, then we are just as lunatic or crazy to think they are a bad person, just because they wear something on their heads. It happens all over the world. Great Britain stands up and talks about world peace, and it cant even sort out its own mess in Ireland. The USA massacred whole tribes of red indians. Israel fights with Palestine. It goes on and on...... The only thing that I have learnt on my 33 years on this planet, is - when I travel, I meet some of the most interesting and funny people you could ever hope to meet. They have been, German, Scandanavian, Italian, Spanish, Irish, Indian, Australian..... The list is endless. If anything, I come home feeling more dissapointed with the way people behave in the UK more than I do the rest of the world. People like ourselves (who are lucky enough to be able to travel) USUALLY see the world differently to the 'majority' back home. Lets not generalise about 'rag head muslims' etc. I would be reallt really hurt and upset if someone called me 'english shit bag', and they had never spent any time with me. QUOTE] I have been reading this post and some of the others following it and Mike seems to have grasped the point perfectly. The Palestinians want one thing only.It has nothing to do with terrorising the west or rising up against the "Mc Donald" eaters.They want their land back.When the spineless British government helped create Israel in 1948,it was the Palestinians who were removed from their land,originally given to them for their help against the Turks in the 1st WW,fertile land, and forced to accept inferior homes to accomodate the poor Israelis who were scattered to all corners of the Earth. They now have nothing.No homes to speak of,very few have work,and they cannot do anything about it military wise.I do NOT hold with the bombings and suicide attacks but to understand why its done you have to know Palestinians.I do.I used to visit Abu Dhabi in the UAE frequently.My sister is married to an Arab.They are the most hospitable race in their own country I have ever met.I have had many conversations with Palestinains who have been forced to move from their country and all they want is to go back and not be persecuted by the Israelis.I could get very deep into this but as I am packing soon to go to LOS tomorrow I will leave it till I come back.
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30-03-2004, 21:56
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Some people are so hypercritical...
I will more then likely get 99% of the people that visit this site mad at me.....
But how do so many people find so much sympathy and consideration for other people..in other cultures;;;.namely Muslim And then turn around ...and pay some young Thai girl money to do something that there is no way they would be doing it if you where not paying them.....They have good chance of ending up with some disease that will kill them...You offer them enough money and most of them will do what ever you want.....Those of us that have been around......know that a lot of these girls can block it out when they are turning a trick ......but regardless you think they don"t have feelings...and at times they don't hate what they are doing...Your taking advantage of there poverty....that is what your doing regardless of how you try to rationalize it .....I have been doing that for forty yrs.ever sense the Nam war ...But I do not live under the pretense of always being considered of other peoples feelings...... And please do not tell me something lame that all the ladies you banged loved it.......Or no one is making them do it......''poverty is making them do it''
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31-03-2004, 02:21
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More optimistically...
Most here seem to want to be tolerant and understanding of other races, religions, etc. - and that's good.
icray161 manages to bring this thread back to the BG by claiming that they are being threatened by everyone who hires them. At least I think thats what he's saying. Yes, a vicious reality exists in many places, and the sex industry in Thailand is a prime example. There is no underestimating the pressures that some of these women are under. And to their credit so many of them handle it well (no pun intended). I think that many of us go into these encounters/tours with good intentions and perhaps even a selfish belief that they can make a bad situation better. While this may be a flawed approach, I do maintain that its critical to be considerate of EVERYones feelings in the process. It does make a difference. You may not have any MORE fun than those who, "do not live under the pretense of always being considered..." or considerate, but you will at least be lessening the supposedly negative impact that youre creating. Thanks icray161. From politics to p***y, DAMN I like this forum!
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31-03-2004, 02:58
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Any catholic,protestant or jude that preaches terrorism or instigates it should be jailed or shot...no exceptions. They don't want to tolerate Allah so f _ _k em. I still can't believe quite a few Arabian and Asian countries allow these clerics to preach this kind of hate.....
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31-03-2004, 04:13
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I honestly beleive that most muslims are law abiding peace loving people. Yes there are a few extremists, as there will be in any group; and, it could be argued that they have been provoked by such outrages as the US bombing of Sudan.
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31-03-2004, 04:51
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''I think that many of us go into these encounters/tours with good intentions and perhaps even a selfish belief that they can make a bad situation better '' Am I to understand by that statement that you mean the reason you give money to these BGs is to help them,and the Thai economy....If that is the case just give them your money and don't be asking for that find pussy....
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31-03-2004, 11:16
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31-03-2004, 14:14
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Clocking Baht
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Sorry icray161, I took it for granted that you would understand that I expect service for MY hard earned money. Money which, without thinking about it too much, I will happily give to them once THEY earn it. therefore creating a slightly better situation than if she didnt work, and I didnt get a nut off. Despite the perception that BG's are only thinking of the loot, Ive been treated, and witness to, some kind hearted behavior from them. So I try to give back. I always give 'til it hurts,... or at least 'til it cant give anymore! BTW, once you resigned yourself to, as you say,"taking advantage of their poverty" did you also decide to do away with respecting them as individuals? Not an accusation, just wondering.
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31-03-2004, 18:20
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Old Sayings Are The Best
As a good Catholic I learnt some very basic rules whilst living in the Rep of Ireland and that is whenever I visited Belfast the following applied:
1. I am an aethiest. 2. I have no opinion. 3. Is that my bus coming... Lets chill out - It sounds like a lot of Board Members have very fanatical views on fanatics - Where does it end but in more bullshit and bloodshed. Live and let live or kill and be killed... Living sounds better to me
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