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22-05-2007, 04:59
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(Wasn't there a major bombing in Oklahoma a few years previous to 9/11?)
Now I would never say that the events of 9/11, Madrid, London, Turkey, Egypt or Nigera by Al Queda where in any way defendable. In the same way I would never try to defend the bombing of Hiroshima and Dresden by Allies in WW2, or any other event which has seen a large or small scall loss of life for some pollitical gain. But the fact is these events occued for a reason: that some one/party/religion/movment thought that doing what they did would help their cause. HAs the the actions of Osama helped his cause? Yes! Has the actions of America after 9/11 helped his cause? Arguebly yes as well! Would I be upset if had any connection to the events of 9/11, and saw a girl wearing a Osama T-shirt. Of course I would and I would not want those t-shirts on sale. But if was from a Muslim background, with a sence of injustice against an precieved American led invasion of Musliem lands and a attempt to 'destroy' my culture! Then unfortunatly any person or group who was standing up against this opression, I would welcome. So if I felt strongly about some one supporting Osama through wearing a T-shirt, I would stop eating in the restaraunt. The same if I went to a place with large posters of George W on display! Sorry looks like I've gone in to one of my Sunday night rambles again!
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Did not consider it an act of terrorism in the same manner as the WTC as it was perpetrated by a US citizen against a US government agency, not by someone from another country.
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22-05-2007, 05:22
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But wasn't it carried out as an act against the American Government, becuase the people who did it, didnt agree with what they where doing/stood for. Same as Al Queda! Still, a bit of a side issue on the threads op!
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no it was just some brainwashed, backwoods, uneducated peon who was manipulated by some paramilitary US group that did not agree with US policies concerning personal rights and freedoms. Something that was not globally organised and carried out by non US people. Totally different from some middle eastern muslim fanatics doing it to the US or Great Britain or something like that.
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22-05-2007, 05:50
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I'll sort it out when I get back at the end of the month. I'll just drive around in the nude on me bike and flash the Thaksin loves Man City tat on my ar5e.........That'll learn 'em!
Best wash it off before I get to jail though.........!!!
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22-05-2007, 05:51
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Don't worry about washing it off before. Im sure they be plenty of soap for you 'pick-up' and wash with in front of the boys in the showers! 
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22-05-2007, 05:53
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Isnt it a terrorattac weather it is done by an paramilitary US group or an foreighn group?
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22-05-2007, 05:55
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I haven't really got a tat on my ar5e.
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22-05-2007, 06:11
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Sorry, but wasn't Osama and his mates of backwood uneducated people, manipulated and funded by an American paramilitary group (CIA) during the Afgan occupation by USSR? Who then turn out not to agree with the policys of the enemy's enemy, after their inital enemy has gone! That they dont agree they now targets policy on rights and 'freedoms'. Oh and that this group started out as a small group of religous fighters in a small country in the middle east. (And has so far spread throughout the world under different names and organisations to now include both British and American born members!) So they decide to destroy a symbol of American global power, the WTC! Oh yeah, so its totally different to some American fanatics who decided that their government was doing a wrong'un, because they are uneducated, so blew up a symbol of American power (A state Gov building). Still back to the original op! Just remember while I was out in los last time I was watching a great film before going out. Rambo 3. At the end of it, it still had the totally now 'out of order' message saying something like: "Please support our Taliban friends in Afganistan!" Made me laugh! But do you think it may have been left on by a Muslim working for the TV channel or by accident?
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So it stills says "I love Rosso" on one side and "Guppys forever on the other!" Mum will be pleased! 
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22-05-2007, 06:35
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Tarzan, A question for you. Was Timothy McVie trying to blow up a government building or was he trying to start a global religous war a la Osama Bin Laden? There is a big difference between the 2 philosophies. One is a threat to government agencies in the US, the other is a threat to the whole non Muslim world. And if you do not think that the second group will be a problem for other countries in Europe in the future, not just England, then you are sadly mistaken. The radical muslim fanatics will not be satisfied untill all non believers are eradicated.
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22-05-2007, 06:40
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I would go back, ask her nicely weather she knows what she's doing or not.
If she knows, and she still wants to wear that t-shirt, then it's their lost, they will lose customers like you.
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Rubbish Chris.....both were sending political messages and killed people for their own political purposes......and in turn acted out the exact definition of terrorism..... what is your point....is it better to have it done by a fellow US citizen terrorist or by some foreign terrorist...what's the difference....the act + effect is the same
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22-05-2007, 08:10
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Sishow
i think you make some very valid points the only point you are missing here is that regardless of the US gov't policies, or UK's policy or Spain's policies, the 3000+ in US, 37 in London, and 191 in Madrid(yes i took the time to look them up) were all innocent people that didnt deserve to die so in respect to all of them, i would choose not to eat in a restaurant that chose to support any of those terrorists in even the tiniest way(wether ignorantly or not) but i do believe in Freedom of Speech(i have to, they told me its in the Constitution ) so i wouldnt make a big deal about it with the girljust go along my sometimes merry way to another joint
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you missed my point. read it again. It is the difference between a localized act of terrorism and a worldwode act of terrorism. Timothy McVie was not out to kill every non muslim US citizen, OBL does. That is the difference. Not saying that McVie did not commit an act of terrorism. I am saying that the average US citizen does not have anything to fear from him, while the whole non muslim world is at peril due to the rabid muslim fanatics. And signing off again as like Marc26 I get tired of these discussions. Could spend my energy on other things.
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Yes, to get back to the T shirt issue.....
Before Tasksin came along, you would be hard pressed to find an average Thai in Patong that knew the name of their PM!!!! All they seemed to know was that the King was the leader of their country( this goes back to a year old thread about discussions with Thais) To ask some teenage girl in Thailand about the political ramifications of OBL's actions and the Reaction of the US (and world) to 9/11 and wether or not wearing an OBL T shirt in public may cause offence to some members of the farang community......... is probably asking a bit much!!!!!! Just MHO!!!!!
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I hate to send this thread off track but with 3k dead by that action you then have to think that theres literally 100's of 1000's of civilian dead in Iraq (one estimate from johns hopkins was 650k deaths last year).. Think about that for a minute.. >200 times the 9/11 death toll !!
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But McVie was not acting alone....he has plenty of redneck mates out there who call themselves "patriots" who are willing to kill their fellow countrymen for their own political purposes....so the average US citizen has plenty to fear from them....within their own country Terrorism is terrorism...whether it is from within or outside of the state......... or whether its state sanctioned or not in the eyes of the victims....
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Your forgetting ones actually done BY the state !!! Lots of 'terror' in the last 40 years has now been proven to be false flag ops.. Even outside of the 9/11 conspiracy stuff..
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The Oklahoma bombing of the Alfred P. Murray federal building was indeed a terrorist attack on par with any by Al Qaeda. The fact that it was domestic problem means that the way you deal with it is radically different. The Al Qaeda attacks as well as the one in Oklahoma were all the results of brainwashed wackos. Though a different story, you can throw in the Waco Massacre to the list of brainwashed actions in recent US history.
9/11 sets it self apart from all other terror incidents for a number of reasons:  If was significantly bigger than any other terrorist attack in history (before and after)It hit the US which (when push comes to shove) can stand more united than most countries and has the ability to fight backIt used techniques never seen before and which changed global travel for everybody foreverIt left a scare in New York that will never fully heal.I remember the emotional touching moments when the world came together to cry for America, I have never seen anything like it. So when someone says: "Ffs.....guys.........9-11 Was 6 Years Ago.....ye Just Have To Get On With Life........", I sense some disrespect. I do agree with the "get on with life" statement because we all have to; but to reference the time elapsed as a measure to forget is absurd. There are some of us here that will NEVER NEVER forget. The attackers of the NY WTC will never forget either, and unfortunately they have much more patience than we do. They don't care if the infidels are wiped out in 1, 10, 100 or a 1000 years; so long as it happens. I have a large collection of pictures from 9/11 on my personal web site to serve as a reminder to any visitor that we should never forget! I sure never will!
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Yeah 9-11's make me mad as well opening up on every high street,.............. oh 9-11's sorry made a mistake, thought you writing about the 7-11's terrorist movement to take over all the known world's retail space!!
Point of order, Denver wears a o'SHEAY Guvara teeshirt, courtesy of Sean, he's had a little trouble when going into scruffy murphy's and mollies but they just asked him not to cause any bovver when in there. SDkid, easy this one if the shirt offends you, explain your feelings to the girl and why you are so offended and suggest to her in your opinion its not such a cool thing to wear in the restaurant. If she does so again or it causes a scene no probs eat elswhere, although its low season not to many other places to choose from in Kamalala at the moment. Also were you in the Pizza Restaurant Bar last night? As for Hitler etc tee shirts causing offence, really?? think you could justify a reason for not wearing almost everything when adding in greenpeace, deforestation, cotton field pillaging etc, WW2 ended over 60 years ago, what about a viking teeshirt, or down with the normans, thats pretty offensive to anyone called Norman? and any one called Harold as well for that matter!! and a lot more english were killed at Hastings that year than Ol Bin has managed. I know I'm trivallising a very serious, emotive subject but it is history, recent, important but history, as is WW2, the point being you could be offended by almost everything if you so wish and always with a good personal reason, in context is it being worn to be offensive?
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