The Osama bin Laden t-shirt

[northern exile]

This thread is complete b0llicks, if you boycot the place you are playing straight into the hands of these people. I was affected by the WTC bombing as September the 11th is my birthday, and I had some bloke want a day of mourning a year later in Barbados, which just coincided with my 30th. Theres been more than 3000 people killed by the IRA, but you don't see me getting on my high horse when someone has a shamrock tattoo on their shoulder or mentions the fighting irish or support for NORAID. I had a good friend killed on the Downs Road, but Im not bitter about it, because thats what they want. Its an ideal, theres no concrete proof that OSB was behind the bombings, theres no concrete proof that Al Queada even exists. Its a band wagon.
If the foods good enjoy it, and agree you have differences. Its only the media fest that has put the Sh1ts up everyone to think the way they are thinking!


Lifes too short!

[faultytowers]

Originally Posted by northern exile

This thread is complete b0llicks, if you boycot the place you are playing straight into the hands of these people. I was affected by the WTC bombing as September the 11th is my birthday, and I had some bloke want a day of mourning a year later in Barbados, which just coincided with my 30th. Theres been more than 3000 people killed by the IRA, but you don't see me getting on my high horse when someone has a shamrock tattoo on their shoulder or mentions the fighting irish or support for NORAID. I had a good friend killed on the Downs Road, but Im not bitter about it, because thats what they want. Its an ideal, theres no concrete proof that OSB was behind the bombings, theres no concrete proof that Al Queada even exists. Its a band wagon.
If the foods good enjoy it, and agree you have differences. Its only the media fest that has put the Sh1ts up everyone to think the way they are thinking!


Lifes too short!

Was going to ignore this , but fcuk it !!! , I'm bored.

You were affected by the WTC bombing.......it spoiled your birthday celebration . You're really showing your compassionate side there , over 3000 people were murdered and your only concern is that it 'could' put a damper on your p!ss-up !!!!

Yes , a hell of a lot of people were killed in 'the troubles' , some by the IRA , others by the UDA and others still by the army. But do you really imagine that anyone who had a relative/friend murdered by the IRA would happily sit down for a meal in a restaurant where the staff were wearing 'pro IRA' t-shirts , I don't think so !!!!

No 'concrete proof' about OSB was behind the bombings , well , there are video tapes of him admitting it , there are confessions of those involved in the planning , and numerous other sources. That is unless you believe all the "conspiracy theories". The same applies for the other 'concrete proof' you require , ask some of the guys in Iraq and Afghanistan , I'm sure they could enlighten you.

This thread started off about a young Thai girl who (probably) did not realize that 'some' tourists could find her choice of t-shirt offensive , but as usual has wandered off from the original subject.

[sishow]

Originally Posted by faultytowers

Was going to ignore this , but fcuk it !!! , I'm bored.

You were affected by the WTC bombing.......it spoiled your birthday celebration . You're really showing your compassionate side there , over 3000 people were murdered and your only concern is that it 'could' put a damper on your p!ss-up !!!!


This thread started off about a young Thai girl who (probably) did not realize that 'some' tourists could find her choice of t-shirt offensive , but as usual has wandered off from the original subject.

Do you think he plays for Chelsea, as that what happend to them! Shouted at a load of Americans when on a bday piss-up!

As for the thread going on a tangent, that will be me again im afraid Faulty!

[marc26]

Originally Posted by sishow

As for the thread going on a tangent, that will be me again im afraid Faulty!

Sishow
i thought your comments on this thread before were some of the best said on here

[sishow]

Originally Posted by marc26

Sishow
i thought your comments on this thread before were some of the best said on here

Now im blushing again. Lucky no ladys here to pinch 'em.

But my comments were nothing to do with the original question again!

[marc26]

Originally Posted by sishow

Now im blushing again. Lucky no ladys here to pinch 'em.

But my comments were nothing to do with the original question again!

they were still a pretty good opinion backed up with some good points

[Thin White Duke]

A Muslim adolescent wearing an iconic muslim t-shirt in a Muslim part of Thailand.It's their own country,surely they are entitled to their own freedoms?

If it was a similar situation somewhere in the States or UK perhaps the outrage would be justified.

As Hobbsy would say "it beggars belief"

[MajorTom]

Originally Posted by Thin White Duke

A Muslim adolescent wearing an iconic muslim t-shirt in a Muslim part of Thailand.It's their own country,surely they are entitled to their own freedoms?

Would you entitle a european Nazi, wearing a Adolf Hitler T-shirt in his own country the same freedom

It always amused me that mass murderers are justified or accepted, if they are muslims or communists.

[eur11]

back to the original post

If I were in your position, I would go back to the resto and asked the girl if she knows that OBL is a hardliner muslim who have killed many innocent people. I would do my best to make myself understood by her (assuming her English is almost next to non-existent).

Then, I would wait for her responses.

Based on her responses, I would decide if I should go back to that resto again. If she is not aware of OBL, I would repeat again what I told her previously and probably reduced my frequent visits to the resto.

I don't want to support a business who supports a mass murderer, even though only mentally! (well... wearing t-shirt = promoting whatever printed on it, imho).

From my experience, there are nice muslims in the world, yet, they seem to turn blind eyes when their fellow but radical muslims kill others who don't hold the same religious belief as them (kill the infidels= heaven).

[northern exile]

Faulty thats b0llicks, you were at the mai thai when we had te discussion last october with both Gary and the geordie lad who had just finished serving in Iraq, and they both said that this fighting had been going on for years, and Al Queeda was just a name that was put on anything that had an uprising. As for sitting down in an pro- IRA pub,I did when I lived in Amsterdam. YOu know what I can't be arsed to argue, Its not conspiracy, its spin, just like Dr Kelly who died in Abingdon, how come he ended up on RAF Benson, and not the john Radcliffe? Im off to open my beer Loa!

[Thin White Duke]

Originally Posted by MajorTom

Would you entitle a european Nazi, wearing a Adolf Hitler T-shirt in his own country the same freedom

It always amused me that mass murderers are justified or accepted, if they are muslims or communists.

No,but even the majority of Germans realise that Hitler's Nazism was a mistake and wouldn't show any support.There are 100's of millions of Muslims worldwide who are not necessarily supporting mass murder but should be allowed freedom of expression.If there were two t-shirts,one of George Bush vs OBL they would no doubt wear OBL's.

AS the OP said they are nice friendly people,so I wouldn't be getting bent out of shape about it.

Many people might see Bush/Cheney/Blair as mass murderers

[sishow]

Originally Posted by Thin White Duke

Many people might see Bush/Cheney/Blair as mass murderers

That would be me!

[JayBee]

I only just looked at this thread. Saw it come up many times on list of most recent posts, but couldn't imagine that so much could be said about a t-shirt. I thought, "OK, someone had a t-shirt with a pic on it, doesn't everyone? Nothing much to be said about that."

Was totally surprised to see that it spawned a big debate. As I see it, if you are a Red Sox fan, you are going to wear a t-shirt with a Red Sox name/number on it, not a Yankee shirt. They are Muslim, so the girl wears a Muslim shirt with one of theirs on it. Why is that surprising? Why would you expect anything else?

In the end, it's just a fecking t-shirt! If I liked the girl, then I would not dislike her all of sudden over a shirt. I would just say, "I don't like your shirt!" And if she asked why not, then I would tell her. As to whether I would eat there or not, it would depend entirely on how good the curry was and if the price was reasonable. I certainly would not be looking to make trouble where there is none over a fecking girl wearing a t-shirt!

BUT, if the shirt had pics of OSB and the WTC on fire, that would be a horse of a different color entirely!!!

[LivinLOS]

The 'standard' shirt I have seen many many times is indeed OBL and the burning 2 towers...

[JayBee]

Originally Posted by LivinLOS;

The 'standard' shirt I have seen many many times is indeed OBL and the burning 2 towers...

In that case, I would have to have a chat with her, because I cannot see how a young girl could wear that if she understood what it meant. A pic of OSB is no problem for me, but a pic of the WTC on fire is a celebration of the death of innocent people. That is not OK whether you are a Muslim, Christian, atheist or anything else. If necessary, I would try to find some reading material in Thai that explained what happened on 9/11, and how just ordinary everyday people died, and how their families were affected. Better yet, I'd get her the DVD of the movie about 9/11 with Nicholas Cage in it. If she still wanted to wear the t-shirt after understanding what it meant, then I would never speak to her again or have anything to do with her family or their restaurant. I wouldn't go near the place.

[Thin White Duke]

Originally Posted by JayBee

In that case, I would have to have a chat with her, because I cannot see how a young girl could wear that if she understood what it meant. A pic of OSB is no problem for me, but a pic of the WTC on fire is a celebration of the death of innocent people. That is not OK whether you are a Muslim, Christian, atheist or anything else. If necessary, I would try to find some reading material in Thai that explained what happened on 9/11, and how just ordinary everyday people died, and how their families were affected. Better yet, I'd get her the DVD of the movie about 9/11 with Nicholas Cage in it. If she still wanted to wear the t-shirt after understanding what it meant, then I would never speak to her again or have anything to do with her family or their restaurant. I wouldn't go near the place.

Agreed,JayBee.If she was actively supporting mass murder then of course it wouldn't be acceptable.Her family probably wouldn't be 'nice and friendly' either as previously stated by SundanceKid..

[keith67]

As a reader for nearly 2 years but never actually making any contribution i think this is a perfect time to start, as i see it only the individual can make a decision about wheather or not to return there and if we all sat back and thought about it we could probably say that every nation at some point has a reason to be boycotted ENGLAND and AMERICA are certainly no exceptions. This is a very political and personal subject that only the individual can decide upon, there is no right and wrong thoery about this subject as it is only the opinion of the individual that can be voiced, as with all acts of terrorism we will only ever get told what the authorities want us to believe. Maybe some people will see this as opinionated but it is not meant to be.

[ub2yoo]

Originally Posted by wanttogobacknow

As a reader for nearly 2 years but never actually making any contribution i think this is a perfect time to start, as i see it only the individual can make a decision about wheather or not to return there and if we all sat back and thought about it we could probably say that every nation at some point has a reason to be boycotted ENGLAND and AMERICA are certainly no exceptions. This is a very political and personal subject that only the individual can decide upon, there is no right and wrong thoery about this subject as it is only the opinion of the individual that can be voiced, as with all acts of terrorism we will only ever get told what the authorities want us to believe. Maybe some people will see this as opinionated but it is not meant to be.

Welcome to your first post. You should consider posting more often. The more the opinions, the better...Reading is Silver - Writing is Gold !