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17-09-2007, 15:09
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First of all my best wishes for the injured people and my condolances for the families of the people that lost their lives.
A plane crash is always terrible, but it will not stop me from flying. It is the same as when you see a a big car crash that looks disgusting, but still you continue to drive. I have flown a lot and will be flying. Actually tomorrow evening again. I have been with airlines that had fatal crashes and been on airports where big accidents happened before. It's all joss (as the Chinese say) or karma. We cannot control it. As I was home late yesterday, I only heard about the crash late last night. This morning I called my GF and the first thing she asked if I heard about the crash and if we would still be flying to Phuket this Saturday. Of course, I replied. I could sense that she was pretty tensed about it. She only flew one time only. I tried to ease her mind, telling her that I flew so much and nothing happened. I can imagine she feels some what concerned, but let's see how it is later this week.
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#142
17-09-2007, 15:21
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An ILs does not land the aircraft. Basically it gives the pilots guidance. I was in the cockbit of an Ansett B767 coming into Perth one clear night and they were practising an Instrument Landing, they had pillows in front of the windows in the cockpit. When the check captain removed the pillows we were substantially off course and they had to do some pretty severe corrections to get it back on course. Real white knuckle stuff. There are automatic landing systems but I don't know if they have one at Phuket
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#143
17-09-2007, 15:23
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Sincere condolences to all involved.
This route is one that we have all done many times and something like this sure gives you a reality check. At times i treat life like a dress reharsal but something as tragic as this makes you realise how precious it really is. Carpe Diem
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17-09-2007, 16:32
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Thanks FT - your point taken... AC
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#147
17-09-2007, 16:37
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Phuket has an ILS on Runway 27 - it is NOT suitable for auto-land.
It is a Cattogary1 ILS (Cat1 : DH 200) - Basically to land the pilot must be visual with the runway environment (landing lights/PAPI or runway threshold) by 200 feet above ground level (Decision Height) if not, then the pilot must conduct a missed approach (go around). “An ILS does not land the aircraft” correct “Basically it gives the pilots guidance” Correct, but to that you can add, an ILS signal may be coupled to an autopilot/autoland system to provide glide-slope and tracking input all the way down onto the runway. (However a Catogary1 ISLis not protected as much for signal interference compared to a CAT III ILS which is suitable for auto-land) “I was in the cockbit of an Ansett B767 coming into Perth one clear night and they were practising an Instrument Landing, they had pillows in front of the windows in the cockpit. When the check captain removed the pillows we were substantially off course and they had to do some pretty severe corrections to get it back on course. Real white knuckle stuff.” They must have been sh*t pilots! Flying an ISL is not particularly difficult. If they did not know they were substantially off course until looking outside, then they should not be flying. Of course staying on track is a different matter if the weather conditions exceed the aircraft limitations! It is interesting to read the thread from people in Phuket at the time, obviously the weather was terrible at the time, however the Phuket aerodrome weather is shown as not bad at all: 12 knot winds, 3km visability, light rain, scattered cloud at 1,500 feet…( For anyone interested see VTSP weather below). Still, a micro burst is hard to detect until you are in one, and then it is probably too late. ( Doppler Radar maybe the answer, as developed after the Denver wind shear crash 20 years ago) Phuket weather: VTSP 161030Z 29011KT 3000 -RA SCT015 BKN110 BKN300 25/24 Q1006 A2973 VTSP 161000Z 27009KT 3000 RA SCT015 BKN110 BKN300 25/24 Q1006 A2973 VTSP 160930Z 27008KT 3000 RA SCT015 BKN110 BKN300 23/22 Q1006 2972 VTSP 160900Z 27012KT 1000 RA SCT015 BKN110 BKN300 24/23 Q1006 2973 VTSP 160830Z 24012KT 4000 SCT015 BKN110 BKN300 26/24 Q1006 A2971 VCSH NW VTSP 160800Z 27007KT 4000 SCT015 BKN110 BKN300 26/24 Q1006 A2972 VCSH N VTSP NIL VTSP 160700Z 33003KT 3000 -RA SCT015 BKN110 BKN300 25/24 Q1007 A2975 VTSP 160630Z 33004KT 3000 -RA SCT015 BKN110 BKN300 25/24 Q1007 A2976 Last edited by Mr Floatplane : 17-09-2007 at 16:54. Reason: typo
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#148
17-09-2007, 16:43
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Is anyone else not reassured??? AC
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#149
17-09-2007, 16:50
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And this is what happens to an MD80 (same type as the one that crashed in Phuket) when it hits the runway too hard…
Don’t watch if you don’t want to! Aircraft Crash Landing
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#150
17-09-2007, 17:05
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I came in on the same flight 2 weeks ago. After touchdown the plane took a long time to come to a halt. Is there reverse thrust on the engines of a MD80?
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17-09-2007, 17:50
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While many people around the world feel the shock and sadness regarding these disasters, it feels just that little bit more personal to us that go there same as the Tsunami disaster which affected myself and many others on a deep level.
We all make that trip from BKK to PHKT and know any one of us could have so easily have been there, wrong place, wrong time. My thoughts are with the affected families and the souls that perished. R.I.P
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#154
17-09-2007, 17:57
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I went to Bangkok Phuket Hospital today, checkup for Ead as she is pregnant.
I saw several tv teams and a bunch of jornalists with cameras. They also had Air crash information centre provided to the media.
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17-09-2007, 18:18
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Congratulations to you and EAD, and my heart goes out to those that have lost loved ones!!! Seems to be the way of the world though, doesn't it???? Checks and balances!!!!
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#156
17-09-2007, 18:20
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Wtf...
The news here in Australia said something about one Aussie bloke that was on the plane was also in the Tsunami disaster?
 Talk about WTF…sounds too much like Bruce Willis in that movie Unbreakable with Samuel L Jackson…spooky eh!  I have to get a picture of this chap to keep in my wallet so as if he comes within 100M of me…I can run like fcuk the other way.  Whew…what are the odds of that if it is true? I reckon I would buy a couple of lottery tickets eh! (or better still…think about writing a book).
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#157
17-09-2007, 18:23
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sierradelta, yeah i read that too, i think he survived the tsunami also.
He called his mother and i think she is on the way to see him. He must be one lucky guy.
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#158
17-09-2007, 18:39
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Just back from the airport. Looks like reopening within the next hour.
The approach road alongside the runway was open to traffic but there was really nothing much to see. The main crash site is about half way down the runway but the opposite side of the road and there are just loads of very small pieces over a stretch of about 200metres up the bank. Looks like any substantial bits have been removed and taken to a hangar already.
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17-09-2007, 18:59
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love your reply and its true he lives here in perth so i think i'll take your advice. 55555555555
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#161
17-09-2007, 20:15
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Just read this ... been on a weekend away from news and communication.
Sincerely hope no board members were victims of or in anyway had connections to this tragic events.
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#164
17-09-2007, 22:29
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Awful news.The one Canadian on the plane is making big news in Canada....says
a guy kicked out a door or she was a goner.
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#165
17-09-2007, 22:32
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