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interesting how the tail breaks off in much the same way as reported in the phuket disaster.
While many people around the world feel the shock and sadness regarding these disasters, it feels just that little bit more personal to us that go there same as the Tsunami disaster which affected myself and many others on a deep level.
We all make that trip from BKK to PHKT and know any one of us could have so easily have been there, wrong place, wrong time.
My thoughts are with the affected families and the souls that perished. R.I.P
I went to Bangkok Phuket Hospital today, checkup for Ead as she is pregnant.
I saw several tv teams and a bunch of jornalists with cameras. They also had Air crash information centre provided to the media.
Congratulations to you and EAD, and my heart goes out to those that have lost loved ones!!!Originally Posted by Nicke
Seems to be the way of the world though, doesn't it???? Checks and balances!!!!
Here for a good time, not a long time!!!
The news here in Australia said something about one Aussie bloke that was on the plane was also in the Tsunami disaster?
Talk about WTF…sounds too much like Bruce Willis in that movie Unbreakable with Samuel L Jackson…spooky eh!
I have to get a picture of this chap to keep in my wallet so as if he comes within 100M of me…I can run like fcuk the other way.
Whew…what are the odds of that if it is true?
I reckon I would buy a couple of lottery tickets eh! (or better still…think about writing a book).
It's better to be dead and cool than alive and uncool.
sierradelta, yeah i read that too, i think he survived the tsunami also.
He called his mother and i think she is on the way to see him.
He must be one lucky guy.
For every wound, a balm.For every sorrow, cheer.For every storm, a calm.For every thirst, a beer.
Just back from the airport. Looks like reopening within the next hour.
The approach road alongside the runway was open to traffic but there was really nothing much to see. The main crash site is about half way down the runway but the opposite side of the road and there are just loads of very small pieces over a stretch of about 200metres up the bank. Looks like any substantial bits have been removed and taken to a hangar already.
gahh =( So tragic, my thoughts goes out to the people involved in this terrible accident.
love your reply and its true he lives here in perth so i think i'll take your advice. 55555555555The news here in Australia said something about one Aussie bloke that was on the plane was also in the Tsunami disaster?
Talk about WTF…sounds too much like Bruce Willis in that movie Unbreakable with Samuel L Jackson…spooky eh!
I have to get a picture of this chap to keep in my wallet so as if he comes within 100M of me…I can run like fcuk the other way.
Whew…what are the odds of that if it is true?
I reckon I would buy a couple of lottery tickets eh! (or better still…think about writing a book).
Just read this ... been on a weekend away from news and communication.
Sincerely hope no board members were victims of or in anyway had connections to this tragic events.
So far one Irish guy missing and three in hospital on the critical list. Thoughts and prayers for all associated with this tragedy.
Sorry to hear this news and my sincere condolences to all who lost friends or family in this...
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Awful news.The one Canadian on the plane is making big news in Canada....says
a guy kicked out a door or she was a goner.
or exceptionally UNlucky? depends on your point of view.
unlucky to be in 2 disasters but lucky to survive.
Here is a video shot by a survivor of the accident
Nettavisen - - Dette er helt sinnssykt!
Don’t watch if you don’t want to!
Last edited by andmel; 17-09-2007 at 23:14.
very impressive video, what a tragic accident !!!
from looking at that i cant see anyone helping ?
Condolences to all those involved in this tragedy.
We take for granted and assume that things will always be normal when we get on an airplane. In most cases this is true, however in this case we have been dealt a gut wrenching incident in the middle of our paradise.
What a sad day.
Terrible teribble tragedy our thoughts go to all those and their families.
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Are you thinking of Phuket Air? I wasn't aware that 12Go or Orient Thai had a history of warnings.
I've always flown LCCs without much worry, but it does occur to me: any good pilot is going to shoot for a job with the higher-paying majors - 12Go, Nok and AirAsia pilots are the ones who couldn't land a job at THAI.
Got this from the local papers.
Taxi driver Adnan Pombisut claimed that business was slightly better than on normal days when the Phuket airport was closed.
“Many people did not know that the airport was going to be closed, so I drove them there and dropped them back to the hotel again when they realised that their flights had been cancelled. So instead of a one-way fare, they paid for a return trip,” he said.
For every wound, a balm.For every sorrow, cheer.For every storm, a calm.For every thirst, a beer.
Nice. Did he also make money driving tourists to the beach after the tsunami?
I am no fan of our islands taxi drivers however the remarks about the Tsunami needs comment.
Many, not all, but most taxi drivers were heroes that day, they gave rides, shelter and even clothing and money to victims.
Point well-made. In years in Thailand I met far more good taxi drivers than bad. My comment was directed only at the driver mentioned in the article.
People will do anything for money these days including this web site. Just check out the ads by google on the bottom of the page to get your fear of flying cd. The ad was not here before the crash. Nicke can you control what is advertised here if so delete it please it is just f**king sick.
YEA SAW THAT ALSO,ME THINKS IT WOULD BE AUTO GENERATED DONT THINK GOOLE COULD STOP IT AND SURE NICKE COULDNT ALSO.
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I used to think…”gee pilots get paid a lot for little hours worked”…
‘Paid a lot’ is a popular misconception. I really wish some good investigative journalists would lift the lid on that one! Aviation is growing rapidly at present, and there is much talk about a pilot shortage, you may instead think of it as a wage shortage….
(I hope this post does not seem like a hijack of the thread, at first, but if you think about it is all relevant)
Sure some pilots do get paid heaps, however others flying the same aircraft on the same routes get less than bugger all. Wages are extraordinarily un-standardized in aviation. This is because there are high paying jobs, and pilots will work for less than nothing in order to gain the experience necessary to get those higher paying jobs.
Just as curiously, pilot licensing requirements vary greatly from one place to the other; strange considering aviation is global industry. It amazes me the BBC/CNN or similar has not produce a show on the whole thing. I think the general public would be fascinated!
-An Australian friend of mine who is a 747 Second Officer with Philippine Airlines won’t tell me how much he earns, only to say it is less than the unemployment benefit in Australia – and that is after he paid thousands for a jet rating to get the job, and was a seasoned pilot in Australia! He flies Philippines to USA. Other pilots working for other airlines on the same route and same aircraft type get vast amounts more…
- it is common practice for airlines to only hire pilots currently rated on the aircraft in their fleet (you may have a 747 rating, but it is useless if you want to fly a 737, A320 or whatever). Some one has to pay for that rating, and often it is the pilot, and that is after they have already forked out tens of thousands of dollars for their commercial pilots license. ( ie, A320 rating, 16,500 euro JAA Airbus type rating A320 )
-Next time you are on Air Asia, consider that some of the boys and girls at the pointy end of the plane have paid for their rating and in return are earning the vast sum of $500US a month. Big dollars hey! (I am trying to find the link to this)
- next time you are on Bangkok Airways, consider the Captain may be pulling in a massive 70,000bt a month! (A Thai 717 Captain told me that is what he earnt anyhow…Okay, that may be 10 times the average Thai wage, but heak, a good gogo honey is probably doing as well…In the Phuket MD80 crash I believe the Captain was Indonesian? An expatriate Indonesian pilot may even more cost effective to the airline than a Thai one?)
- next time you are on a non-major carrier, consider the pilots (captain included) may be paying the airline (yes paying them!) tens of thousand of dollars to be there. Consider HE/SHE may be paying far more than YOU to be on the flight! If you have a Commercial pilots license, and can’t get a job with an airline due to lack of experience, or if you are a first officer and cant get upgraded to Captain, don’t worry, just go buy a job! Eagle Jet Flight Training and Sales, Piston Flight Training and Jet Sales, Airplane Sales. will organize it for you. It is very popular way to gain airline experience, only costs up to 50 thousand dollars…. (Curiously eaglejet seem reluctant to say which airlines they are affiliated with, but included are airlines in the USA, Asia, and Europe)
- It is interesting to note airport baggage handlers earn more money than many pilots, even in Australia.
- Consider until very recently if you wanted to work for Virgin Australia, you had to pay for your own 737 type rating (twenty grand or so). Good old Richard Branson! If his airline couldn’t afford, or was too greedy to pay to train the pilots they employed, then fcuk him!
- So you want to work for Qantas instead? Well fu*k them too! You got an interview! Great! Now you start paying them! With no guarantee of a job!….Okay, its only in the hundreds of dollars, but why should I have to pay Qantas anything if they want to consider me for employment? And it is not just them, other major airlines do the same…About Qantas - Employment - Pilots - Direct Entry Briefing Sheet
- Qantas also run a cadet program, but who can afford that!?
- Sierradelta, as you live in tassie, you probably fly with REX now and then. Last I heard, a Rex Dash-8 First Officer was getting $32,000 Aust a year before tax. That pilot is not there because it is a good job. He/she is there only to get experience to get another job – and remember to get that other job he may have to fork out twenty thousand dollars or more for a type rating (on a 737, A320 or whatever) just to be eligible to apply, and remember he has already paid far more than his annual salary to get a license that enables him to fly for REX in the first place. So now he somehow scrapes more money together (maybe his girlfriend is fcuking a bank manager because he wont save it on his wage) and he goes out and buys a 737 rating to apply to Virgin, and at the interview he says he supports the Melbourne Storm rather than the Bronocs, they don’t like that, so he is back to REX with brand new 737 rating and a huge debt…So now what to do? Well he can fork out a few more tens of thousands of dollars (if his girlfriend is still fcuking the bank manager) and buy an airline job (with the likes of eaglejet) or if he is a little more fortunate, he can go work for some carrier in Asia for less money than the dole back home, but hey! At least now he is logging some jet hours – in a year or two maybe Qantas will even invite him for assessment – which they will make him pay for! If he is lucky, after another decade or more as a first officer, and just before he retires, he will get the big Captain salary everyone thinks all pilots get. (sure many people have a better run than that, but many don’t. By the way, I never managed to earn $32,000 flying in Australia, even when in command of a few-million dollar aeroplane…
Note: REX salary may have recently gone up as they are finding it hard to get/keep pilots…there is a global pilot shortage after all! Still, financially you would be better off to quit flying and go drive a truck, which is what one of my friends in Australia has just done)
- Next time you are on Ryan Air, consider the pilots may have paid 5,000 Euro to the airline for a multi-crew assessment course in order to be considered for a job. This, Ryan Air advertises in employment sights is “recommended for pilots lacking jet experience. Successful candidates will be invited to join the Ryan air B737 Type rating program” . Then you pay for the Type Rating Course: € 28,350. unsuccessful pilots will be invited to cry to their bank manager!! Ryanair Recruitment
I could go on and on, but you get the picture….None of this is to say an inexpensive pilot is less competent than an expensive pilot, but merely to point out budget airlines offer budget wages (and possibly budget training in comparison to other carriers? I don’t know) and as a pilot if you want to get the big airline wages then you may have to part with a lot of money to buy the experience required, with no guarantee of a high paying job. Fcuk that! Airlines will be my last resort…remember a happy crew is safer crew than one who is Pis_ed off and disgruntled with their employer.
Last edited by Mr Floatplane; 18-09-2007 at 12:57. Reason: typo
“We all just hope the companies that make and manage these machines that we travel in are doing their job 100%”
Yeah, and I am sure One-to-go is doing 100% they can do with the $50 passengers pay for a Bangkok to Phuket trip to cover a multi-million dollar jet consuming fuel, maintenance costs, crew wages (ha ha), crew aircraft endorsements (ha ha) , taxes, landing fees, insurance and so on…
As for international Pilot licensing, it is ridiculously inconsistent. Again I am not saying it is unsafe, just ludicrous:
- I passed the single 3 hour American Air Transport License (ATP) theory exam, (needed to fly for a US airline) after just 8 hours of study! Due the freedom of information act the flight school can access the exam question bank. They sit you down in front of a computer all day going through questions, then you do the exam…sure you need some prior aviation general knowledge, but even so! I didn’t look at an aviation book for two years, and with 8 hours ‘study’ I get a US airline license theory pass after learning exactly nothing I can recall. Cool hey!
The Australian ATP is 6 exams and several months of study. The equivalent European license is 14 exams, and more study still (including much useless /impractical information)
I hold both an Australian and US ATP (plus Canadian, Thai and Maldivian) Now here comes the funny part: If I worked for say Qantas or American Airlines, I could fly all over Europe in their Australian or American registered aircraft, But if I wanted to fly an identical European registered aeroplane, in the exact same airspace, suddenly my Australian and US Licenses are not recognized! I would have to spend more than fifteen thousand US dollars and a great deal of time converting my existing licenses! (better send the girlfriend back to the bank manager once more!) You could easily get the impression that pilot licensing in Europe may be as much about protecting jobs as it is about the practicalities of flying (after all, airplanes do not know which country they are registered in, or who owns the air they are in). It seems strange that such a globally industry appears be so local in its licensing procedures/priorities…
Another curiosity: My Australian instrument rating was costing me over a thousand dollars a year to renew (a European one would be more) and now that I have let it lapse two years, it would cost me several thousands dollars to get back. In comparison, my USA instrument rating costs me nothing to keep, I merely need to be current on the instrument procedures). So fcuk flying in Australia!
Anyhow, having said all that, flying is still safe….I can’t remember the exact number, but statistically you would have to spend thousands of years flying on airlines to be killed in an accident. The poor folks at Phuket were unfortunate.
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