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I used to think…”gee pilots get paid a lot for little hours worked”…
‘Paid a lot’ is a popular misconception. I really wish some good investigative journalists would lift the lid on that one! Aviation is growing rapidly at present, and there is much talk about a pilot shortage, you may instead think of it as a wage shortage…. (I hope this post does not seem like a hijack of the thread, at first, but if you think about it is all relevant) Sure some pilots do get paid heaps, however others flying the same aircraft on the same routes get less than bugger all. Wages are extraordinarily un-standardized in aviation. This is because there are high paying jobs, and pilots will work for less than nothing in order to gain the experience necessary to get those higher paying jobs. Just as curiously, pilot licensing requirements vary greatly from one place to the other; strange considering aviation is global industry. It amazes me the BBC/CNN or similar has not produce a show on the whole thing. I think the general public would be fascinated! -An Australian friend of mine who is a 747 Second Officer with Philippine Airlines won’t tell me how much he earns, only to say it is less than the unemployment benefit in Australia – and that is after he paid thousands for a jet rating to get the job, and was a seasoned pilot in Australia! He flies Philippines to USA. Other pilots working for other airlines on the same route and same aircraft type get vast amounts more… - it is common practice for airlines to only hire pilots currently rated on the aircraft in their fleet (you may have a 747 rating, but it is useless if you want to fly a 737, A320 or whatever). Some one has to pay for that rating, and often it is the pilot, and that is after they have already forked out tens of thousands of dollars for their commercial pilots license. ( ie, A320 rating, 16,500 euro JAA Airbus type rating A320 ) -Next time you are on Air Asia, consider that some of the boys and girls at the pointy end of the plane have paid for their rating and in return are earning the vast sum of $500US a month. Big dollars hey! (I am trying to find the link to this) - next time you are on Bangkok Airways, consider the Captain may be pulling in a massive 70,000bt a month! (A Thai 717 Captain told me that is what he earnt anyhow…Okay, that may be 10 times the average Thai wage, but heak, a good gogo honey is probably doing as well…In the Phuket MD80 crash I believe the Captain was Indonesian? An expatriate Indonesian pilot may even more cost effective to the airline than a Thai one?) - next time you are on a non-major carrier, consider the pilots (captain included) may be paying the airline (yes paying them!) tens of thousand of dollars to be there. Consider HE/SHE may be paying far more than YOU to be on the flight! If you have a Commercial pilots license, and can’t get a job with an airline due to lack of experience, or if you are a first officer and cant get upgraded to Captain, don’t worry, just go buy a job! Eagle Jet Flight Training and Sales, Piston Flight Training and Jet Sales, Airplane Sales. will organize it for you. It is very popular way to gain airline experience, only costs up to 50 thousand dollars…. (Curiously eaglejet seem reluctant to say which airlines they are affiliated with, but included are airlines in the USA, Asia, and Europe) - It is interesting to note airport baggage handlers earn more money than many pilots, even in Australia. - Consider until very recently if you wanted to work for Virgin Australia, you had to pay for your own 737 type rating (twenty grand or so). Good old Richard Branson! If his airline couldn’t afford, or was too greedy to pay to train the pilots they employed, then fcuk him! - So you want to work for Qantas instead? Well fu*k them too! You got an interview! Great! Now you start paying them! With no guarantee of a job!….Okay, its only in the hundreds of dollars, but why should I have to pay Qantas anything if they want to consider me for employment? And it is not just them, other major airlines do the same…About Qantas - Employment - Pilots - Direct Entry Briefing Sheet - Qantas also run a cadet program, but who can afford that!? - Sierradelta, as you live in tassie, you probably fly with REX now and then. Last I heard, a Rex Dash-8 First Officer was getting $32,000 Aust a year before tax. That pilot is not there because it is a good job. He/she is there only to get experience to get another job – and remember to get that other job he may have to fork out twenty thousand dollars or more for a type rating (on a 737, A320 or whatever) just to be eligible to apply, and remember he has already paid far more than his annual salary to get a license that enables him to fly for REX in the first place. So now he somehow scrapes more money together (maybe his girlfriend is fcuking a bank manager because he wont save it on his wage) and he goes out and buys a 737 rating to apply to Virgin, and at the interview he says he supports the Melbourne Storm rather than the Bronocs, they don’t like that, so he is back to REX with brand new 737 rating and a huge debt…So now what to do? Well he can fork out a few more tens of thousands of dollars (if his girlfriend is still fcuking the bank manager) and buy an airline job (with the likes of eaglejet) or if he is a little more fortunate, he can go work for some carrier in Asia for less money than the dole back home, but hey! At least now he is logging some jet hours – in a year or two maybe Qantas will even invite him for assessment – which they will make him pay for! If he is lucky, after another decade or more as a first officer, and just before he retires, he will get the big Captain salary everyone thinks all pilots get. (sure many people have a better run than that, but many don’t. By the way, I never managed to earn $32,000 flying in Australia, even when in command of a few-million dollar aeroplane… Note: REX salary may have recently gone up as they are finding it hard to get/keep pilots…there is a global pilot shortage after all! Still, financially you would be better off to quit flying and go drive a truck, which is what one of my friends in Australia has just done) - Next time you are on Ryan Air, consider the pilots may have paid 5,000 Euro to the airline for a multi-crew assessment course in order to be considered for a job. This, Ryan Air advertises in employment sights is “recommended for pilots lacking jet experience. Successful candidates will be invited to join the Ryan air B737 Type rating program” . Then you pay for the Type Rating Course: € 28,350. unsuccessful pilots will be invited to cry to their bank manager!! Ryanair Recruitment I could go on and on, but you get the picture….None of this is to say an inexpensive pilot is less competent than an expensive pilot, but merely to point out budget airlines offer budget wages (and possibly budget training in comparison to other carriers? I don’t know) and as a pilot if you want to get the big airline wages then you may have to part with a lot of money to buy the experience required, with no guarantee of a high paying job. Fcuk that! Airlines will be my last resort…remember a happy crew is safer crew than one who is Pis_ed off and disgruntled with their employer. Last edited by Mr Floatplane; 18-09-2007 at 12:57. Reason: typo
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“We all just hope the companies that make and manage these machines that we travel in are doing their job 100%”
Yeah, and I am sure One-to-go is doing 100% they can do with the $50 passengers pay for a Bangkok to Phuket trip to cover a multi-million dollar jet consuming fuel, maintenance costs, crew wages (ha ha), crew aircraft endorsements (ha ha) , taxes, landing fees, insurance and so on… As for international Pilot licensing, it is ridiculously inconsistent. Again I am not saying it is unsafe, just ludicrous: - I passed the single 3 hour American Air Transport License (ATP) theory exam, (needed to fly for a US airline) after just 8 hours of study! Due the freedom of information act the flight school can access the exam question bank. They sit you down in front of a computer all day going through questions, then you do the exam…sure you need some prior aviation general knowledge, but even so! I didn’t look at an aviation book for two years, and with 8 hours ‘study’ I get a US airline license theory pass after learning exactly nothing I can recall. Cool hey! The Australian ATP is 6 exams and several months of study. The equivalent European license is 14 exams, and more study still (including much useless /impractical information) I hold both an Australian and US ATP (plus Canadian, Thai and Maldivian) Now here comes the funny part: If I worked for say Qantas or American Airlines, I could fly all over Europe in their Australian or American registered aircraft, But if I wanted to fly an identical European registered aeroplane, in the exact same airspace, suddenly my Australian and US Licenses are not recognized! I would have to spend more than fifteen thousand US dollars and a great deal of time converting my existing licenses! (better send the girlfriend back to the bank manager once more!) You could easily get the impression that pilot licensing in Europe may be as much about protecting jobs as it is about the practicalities of flying (after all, airplanes do not know which country they are registered in, or who owns the air they are in). It seems strange that such a globally industry appears be so local in its licensing procedures/priorities… Another curiosity: My Australian instrument rating was costing me over a thousand dollars a year to renew (a European one would be more) and now that I have let it lapse two years, it would cost me several thousands dollars to get back. In comparison, my USA instrument rating costs me nothing to keep, I merely need to be current on the instrument procedures). So fcuk flying in Australia! Anyhow, having said all that, flying is still safe….I can’t remember the exact number, but statistically you would have to spend thousands of years flying on airlines to be killed in an accident. The poor folks at Phuket were unfortunate.
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News & interviews mini VDOs
First chance since accident to post on here as been so we have been so busy at airport & hospitals:
on our program tomorrow Wednesday (originally cancelled but now reinstated) we have revealing interviews with MD of One-Two Go, Direcor of Phuket Airport, and Policeman coordinating Identification of bodies plus more news. Here below is catch up of today's news on Andaman News TV11 (VHF dial) 8.30am + maybe FM90.5 Radio Thailand 6pm, both broadcast to Phang Nga, Krabi & Phuket provinces, FM108 Mazz Radio 7.30pm in Phuket & Phuket Cable TV Channel 1 at 7, 10.30 or 11pm, Tuesday 18 September 2007 & Êӹѡ¢èÒÇ ¡ÃÁ»ÃЪÒÊÑÁ¾Ñ¹¸ì......ThaisNews »ÃШÓÇѹÍѧ¤Ò÷Õè 18 ¡Ñ¹ÂÒ¹ 2550 : MiniVDO: Their Majesties the King and Queen donate funds in support of One-Two-Go aircraft crash victims To see or download mini-video, go to http://www.thaisnews.com/news_detail.php?newsid=214772 It was announced yesterday their Majesties the King and Queen of Thailand have graciously donated 800,000 baht to the three hospitals in Phuket which have been treating injured passengers from the aircraft that crashed on Sunday. The funds are aimed at supporting the medicine, and necessary medical equipment acquisition. The Phuket Governor will give this royally granted fund to all three hospitals’ directors at 200,000 baht for Phuket International Hospital, 500,000 baht for Bangkok Hospital Phuket, and 100,000 baht for Wachira Hospital Phuket in response to their Majesties wishes. ---- MiniVDO: Foreign injured passengers treated at Bangkok Hospital in Phuket told the Prime Minister they were satisfied with the treatment. To see or download mini-video, go to ThaisNews After visiting and talking to the foreign injured people under medical treatment at Bangkok Hospital in Phuket, the Prime Minister General Surayud Chulanont told reporters that the injured experienced two main symptoms. They either had burns or bone problems due to the severe heat and difficult escape from the aircraft. The Prime Minister said foreign patients told him that they were satisfied with the Thai assistance as well as the medical care. He also thanked all the officials and personnel involved in the crash rescue operation. General Surayud stated that the cause of the accident needs to await the black box analysis which is being sent to the US and that it takes time. The Orient Thai Company which operates One-Two-Go Airline announced it is responsible for the passengers’ medical treatment as the company has insured the 24 year old plane for 300 million US dollars with a British company. Last night there were still 2-3 bodies are yet to be identified. The crash left another 6 patients in coma. The Thai Prime Minister further stated that the government is prepared to assist injured people return overseas. Asked whether the accident would affect the region’s tourism, General Surayud said he believes that it will not affect tourism and that victims were efficiently rescued and assisted. ----- MiniVDO: Phuket International Airport has now reopened for traffic after Thai Prime Minister General Surayud Chulanont flew down to land and visited patients here. To see or download mini-video, go to ThaisNews One day after the tragic air accident at Phuket International Airport, the airport has now been re-opened for traffic. It took rescue team more than 24 hours to retrieve and remove wreckage of the aircraft. The last large piece of the plane was successfully removed at around 3.15 pm on Monday while other small wreckage was swept out of the way. The site was then spayed and cleared for service again. After the clearance, at 4.10 pm, a C130 plane belonging to the Royal Thai Air Force brought in passengers including the Minister of Transport and Communication Admiral Thira Haw-Charoen to land first. This was followed by the special flight carrying Prime Minister Surayut Julannond, the Minister of Tourism and Transport Dr. Suwit Yodmani and other high ranking officials, landed safely and smoothly. The VIP landing is expected to re-boost other passengers’ confidence in the airport’s safety measures. While on board the plane General Suayud Julanont stated that the government is prepared to assist and facilitate the patients’ needs. Meanwhile the Phuket Airport director Squadron leader Pornchai Aue-Aree stated that the airport is ready to serve and a Thai Air Asia plane took off from the airport while a Bangkok Airways plane landed just before 6 pm. ---- MiniVDO: Prime Minister Gen. Surayud Julanont paid a visit to aircraft crash victims being treated at hospitals in Phuket. To see or download mini-video, go to ThaisNews Arriving in Phuket yesterday afternoon Prime Minister Gen. Surayud Julanont went to pay a visit and offer his condolences to people who were injured from the crash and being treated at Wachira Hospital and here at Bangkok Phuket Hospital. The Prime Minister was accompanied by the Tourism & Sports Minister Dr Suvit Yodmani and Minister of Transport Admiral Thira Hao-Charoen. Gen. Surayud warmly talked to the patients, both Thai and foreign, and told them that the government are willing to assist them in any way that it can. ----- MiniVDO: A forensic team from Israel is working with Thai authorities to identify the dead bodies from the aircraft crash in Phuket. To see or download mini-video, go to ThaisNews An official from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs told Andaman News that an expert team of forensic scientists from Israel is coming in to help identify the dead bodies from the aircraft crash at Phuket Airport. They have many years experience and together with Thai police and staff who worked for the Thai Tsunami Victim Identification Centre, they hope to fully identify all the victims, both foreign and Thai, efficiently and quickly as possible to help the families’ closure. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs will also coordinate with Embassies and the insurance company of the One Two Go leased aircraft to repatriate the bodies to their respective families’ homes. The Ministry also flew down 10 diplomats from 5 Embassies in Bangkok to Krabi and onward by bus to Phuket to assist in the assistance for foreign victims. They have also set up an office at the main terminal of the airport to help with paperwork for any missing travel documents and visas for victims. ---------- Interview - Dr. Kongkiat Kespechara, Hospital Director, Bangkok Hospital, Phuket To see or download mini-video, go to ThaisNews Interview with Dr. Kongkiat Kespechara, Hospital Director, Bangkok Hospital, Phuket, where they admitted Australian, Thai, Irish, Iranian, German, British, Austrian, Canadian, French, Israeli & 1 non identified injured passenger, as he told us more about the timeline of the incident: ……. Contact: Tel: 1719 (only in south Thailand) 076 254425 Fax : 076 254597 info@phukethospital.com --- Interview - Deputy Transportation Minister Sansern Wongcha-um, visiting Phuket crash operations To see or download mini-video, go to ThaisNews We spoke to Deputy Transportation Minister Sansern Wongcha-um, who was visiting Phuket & Bangkok Hospital Phuket, to check rescue & recovery operations after the flight crashed; he first commented to the press on finding the important black box on the aircraft to find out why it crashed: …… Interview - Mildred Anne Furlong, Canadian passenger on crashed flight To see or download mini-video, go to ThaisNews We talked to Mildred Anne Furlong (or Millie), a Canadian passenger on the crashed flight, and asked how well she seemed to be recovering at Bangkok Hospital Phuket: ........ ------ Interview - Quinton Quayle, British Ambassador to Thailand, To see or download mini-video, go to ThaisNews We spoke to Quinton Quayle, British Ambassador to Thailand, who came down from Bangkok early yesterday morning with assistance from the Thai Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and last night met the Thai Prime Minister during his visit to the hospital as he told us the latest situation: ........ British Embassy Tel 02 305 8333 or email: ConsularEnquiries.Bangkok@fco.gov.uk
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The accident is now on the Plane Crash Info.com database. Interesting site if you want to see which airlines have the worst safety record.
Looks like Scandinavian Dash 8s are to be avoided right now. 2 undercarriage collapses in 4 days!  This stat is reassuring if you fly a lot>>>> If a passenger boarded a flight at random, once a day, everyday, it would be approximately 22,000 years before he or she would be killed. Last edited by landofsmiles; 18-09-2007 at 21:34.
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Wind detection systems down during deadly Thai crash
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There are a lot more air crashes when you read them all in a database, they happen more often than you think. Its strange that a majority of air crashes happen in either Asia, South America, Africa and Russia seems to have a bad record. But I always thought that anyway, how often do you hear the words. "There was an air crash in Russia today" But stats dont always say a lot, here's one example, How can Air France be at 23 in the safest carriers with 5 crashes and Ryan Air at 27 with no crashes.
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MiniVDO: The royally granted fund in support of medical supplies and equipment to support the plane crash patients in Phuket already reached the hospital recipients yesterday.
To see or download mini-video, go http://www.thaisnews.com/news_detail.php?newsid=214792 Following a tragic plane accident at Phuket International Airport on Sunday their Majesties the King and Queen of Thailand graciously donated 900,000 baht in support of the hospitals which are providing treatment for the injured. The funds were presented to each hospital by Phuket Governor Nirund Kalayanamit. Among recipients are Wachira Phuket hospital at 100,000 baht, Bangkok Phuket Hospital at 500,000, Phuket International Hospital at 200,000 and Thalang hospital with a 100,000 baht fund. MiniVDO: Injured patients were transferred to hospitals in Bangkok & Israel for specific treatment. To see or download mini-video, go to ThaisNews The C 130 aircraft from the Royal Thai Air Force arrived at Phuket International Airport after midday yesterday to transfer patients being treated at Bangkok Hospital in Phuket to the Bangkok Hospital in Bangkok. The hospital director Dr. Kongkiat Kespetchara revealed that the patients are suffering severe burns from the One – Two – Go aircraft crash on Sunday afternoon at Phuket International Airport. One is British the other a local Thai politician in PhangNga. The man will undergo special treatment with a specialist at the Bangkok Hospital expected to take around two to four weeks to recover while the British tourist was arranged to be sent for medical care at home. The patients were on board the aircraft to Bangkok late afternoon yesterday. The hospital also transferred out two Israeli patients related to each other back for treatment in their home country as they are quickly recovering and able to travel longer distances. MiniVDO: The Deputy Minister of Interior called a meeting with all responsible agencies to wrap up the rescue operation and ensure appropriate assistance for the One –Two-Go plane crash victims. To see or download mini-video, go to ThaisNews After the plane wreckage was removed and airport re-opened for service, Deputy Minister of Interior Mr. Banyat Chansena yesterday called a meeting with all responsible agencies under the Relief Centre for Plane Crash Victims to discuss various issues. The main topic was the compensation for injured people and families of those who perished. While the authority stressed that victims must be taken care of and compensation appropriately paid to the victims, the Orient Thai company Chairman Mr. Udom Tantiprasongchai reassured that the company will be responsible for the medical and compensation with initial payment for families to manage the funeral ceremony at 100,000 baht each. Interview Udom Tantiprasongchai, Chairman of One Two Go Airlines,Orient Thai To see or download mini-video, go to ThaisNews Our reporter talked to Udom Tantiprasongchai, Chairman of One Two Go Airlines, also known as Orient Thai, during his visit to Phuket airport, He first confirmed about the insurance cover: …… If you need to contact their Phuket Coordination Center their telephone is 076 351158. MiniVDO: Phuket Airport sees a large number of passengers and active flight bookings in and out, after it reopened on Monday evening. To see or download mini-video, go to ThaisNews After reopening for service at 5pm on Monday 17 September, following closure of 24 hours, the Phuket International Airport yesterday was busy with 106 flights requesting take off and landing. The airport has a capacity to handle 114 flights per day. As many raised concern that the runway leads to the sea, the Airport Director Squadron Leader Pornchai Uau-Aree reaffirmed that since its opening the airport had never experienced an accident on its runway. Sunday’s accident was the first time this occurred. He also pointed that the airport is certified for its emergency handling according to International Civil Aviation Organization or ICAO standards. Interview - Squadron Leader Pornchai Eua-aree, Director of Phuket International Airport To see or download mini-video, go to ThaisNews In order to get more in depth information, our reporter interviewed Squadron Leader Pornchai Eua-aree, the Director of Phuket International Airport, who has had to deal with a lot of stress and exhausted staff over the last 3 days. He told us first it was an unlucky event due to bad weather: …… Contact: 07 632 7230-7 aotpr@airportthai.co.th MiniVDO: The Ministry of Public Health confirmed conditions of injured passengers, while it also provides mental healthcare. To see or download mini-video, go to ThaisNews The Minister of Public Health Dr Mongkol Na Songkhla visited the sites where the containers keeping bodies of victims are, to inspect and discuss with officials. He then furthered his trip to visit patients being treated at three hospitals in Phuket to offer his condolences to patients and families as well as thank medical teams. The Minister reaffirmed that no more fatal cases were reported with all 38 injured recovering satisfactorily. The Minister also expressed his satisfaction on the Emergency Medical Service or EMS which he believed has saved some lives. On the mental care, the Ministry has sent expert psychologists to give consultations. He admitted a few survivors are still suffering psychological trauma with two cases needing special care as they lost their spouses or relatives. MiniVDO: All 89 dead bodies from the Phuket plane crash have gone through the postmortem process. To see or download mini-video, go to ThaisNews Andaman News TV11 (VHF dial) 8.30am + maybe FM90.5 Radio Thailand 6pm, both broadcast to Phang Nga, Krabi & Phuket provinces, FM108 Mazz Radio 7.30pm in Phuket & Phuket Cable TV Channel 1 at 7, 10.30 or 11pm, Wednesday 19th September 2007 & Êӹѡ¢èÒÇ ¡ÃÁ»ÃЪÒÊÑÁ¾Ñ¹¸ì......ThaisNews »ÃШÓÇѹ¾Ø¸·Õè 19 ¡Ñ¹ÂÒ¹ 2550 All 89 dead bodies from the Sunday plane crash at Phuket Airport have now been through the postmortem examinations. Among them as of yesterday 53 names are identified, 32 are Thais and 21are foreigners. According to the official figures, 35 bodies have been collected by families, including the Indonesian captain Aref Mulyadee whose body has been flown back to his home country. The remaining 54 bodies are being refrigerated in containers at minus – 4 Celsius temperature at the airport. Meanwhile yesterday the Royal Thai Police Victim Identification team explained procedures for getting the bodies for officials from different nationalities who represented the families. Among documents required are dental records, or distinguishing marks to prevent misidentification. Interview - Police Colonel Ponprasert Ganjnarin, also known as Colonel ‘Jon’, the Deputy Commander, Foreign Affairs Division, of the Royal Thai Police To see or download mini-video, go to ThaisNews We talked to Police Colonel Ponprasert Ganjnarin, also known as Colonel ‘Jon’, the Deputy Commander, Foreign Affairs Division, of the Royal Thai Police, who was previously Joint Chief of Staff, at Thai Tsunami Victim Identification or TTVI Centre in Phuket. He told us more about his team’s role in the identification process: ......... Contact: Tel 076 351517 OneTwoGo 081 7283107 All from Andaman News TV11 (VHF dial) 8.30am + maybe FM90.5 Radio Thailand 6pm, both broadcast to Phang Nga, Krabi & Phuket provinces, FM108 Mazz Radio 7.30pm in Phuket & Phuket Cable TV Channel 1 at 7, 10.30 or 11pm, Wednesday 19th September 2007 & Êӹѡ¢èÒÇ ¡ÃÁ»ÃЪÒÊÑÁ¾Ñ¹¸ì......ThaisNews »ÃШÓÇѹ¾Ø¸·Õè 19 ¡Ñ¹ÂÒ¹ 2550
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MiniVDO: The French Minister of State attached to the Minister of Foreign Affairs paid homage to the Phuket air crash victims.
To see or download mini-video, go to ThaisNews The French Minister of State attached to the Minister of Foreign Affairs Miss Rama Yade who is also responsible for Foreign Affairs and Human Rights made a trip to Phuket International Airport, and talked to Royal Thai Police Chief of Forensic Science Office Police Lt. General Amporn Jarujinda on the progress of the victims’ identifications. The Thai police told her that (at least) seven French nationals were reported on board and six killed. Miss Rama Yade then asked whether the identification process could be speeded up, while the Thai police told her yes as long as the necessary evidence is provided by the families, as the procedure needs to be carried out carefully to prevent any misidentification. After that the French Minister went on to pay respects to the deceased at the refrigerated container beside the end of the runway. MiniVDO: An injured Australian passenger thanked the injured Thai passenger who saved his life. To see or download mini-video, go to ThaisNews Paiboon Paphan, a Thai survivor from the plane crash, whose spine was injured, was brought on a wheelchair to visit an Australian survivor Mr Robert Boreland who he saved after the crash. Being treated at the Bangkok Phuket Hospital Robert suffered broken bones and burns, but he requested to see Paiboon to thank Paiboon for saving his life. After the crash caused fire flames, Paiboon pulled Robert out of the plane wreckage. At that time Robert only knew it was a man in yellow. Paiboon said he was proud to help save someone’s life and that it has been reported worldwide that a man in yellow saved a foreign tourist. He said he wore yellow in honor of His Majesty the King of Thailand. MiniVDO: Families of those who died in the crash received 100,000 baht cheques for funeral arrangements. To see or download mini-video, go to ThaisNews Yesterday was the first day that the One-Two-Go Airline started to pay 100,000 baht funds for families of those who were killed in the plane crash. At least nine families have collected the aid in Phuket with 11 in Bangkok. Families can bring the death certificate and their ID cards to show at the Phuket airport office and the office in Bangkok. Meanwhile the Phuket Vice Governor Worapote Ratasrima held a meeting with the command centre about the air crash victims’ aid. He asked the company to speed up the compensation process as some families started to complain to authorities. The airline executive explained that the 100,000 baht payments can proceed while the compensation for the victims’ families still cannot be stated yet as the company is still negotiating with the British insurance company. The Phuket Vice Governor also ordered a set up of committee to ensure bodies are correctly handed over to families to prevent any problems. MiniVDO: Patong Hotel Association members prepare accommodation for victims’ families free of charge. To see or download mini-video, go to ThaisNews Patong Hotel Association member hotels reflect their help and sympathy to families of passengers of the Phuket plane crash by offering free accommodation for them during 17 – 23 September 2007. The association has 33 hotel members and they have submitted the lists of hotels to the One–Two-Go Airline for them to check and deal with families. The hotel list includes Phuket Graceland Resort and Spa, Coconut Village, Royal Paradise, Royal Palm, and Ban Bua Resort. One of the association members, the Royal Palm Hotel Resident Manager Chawaphon Thongpatumphan said the hotel has reserved five rooms with breakfast for the families. Asked if the situation would affect bookings for the high season, the local hotelier said he believed it would not. Interview part 2; Director of Phuket International Airport, Squadron Leader Pornchai Aua-Aree To see or download mini-video, go to ThaisNews After things cooled down, we had an opportunity to talk to the Director of Phuket International Airport, Squadron Leader Pornchai Aua-Aree as he summed up the rescue and recovery efforts over the last few days and thanked all the officials and volunteers for their help: (part1 shown yesterday ) ......... Contact: 07 632 7230-7 aotpr@airportthai.co.th MiniVDO: Families of plane crash victims held religious ceremonies To see or download mini-video, go to ThaisNews As several Phuket head officials were killed in the Sunday crash we have listed the venues for their religious ceremony as follows. The body of Phuket’s Finance Office chief Wantana Meesang was kept for religious ceremony at Wichit Sangkaram in town before her family moved the body for ceremony and cremation at Chonprathan Rangsarit in Nontha Buri province. Meanwhile other head officials’ bodies are also being prepared for religious ceremonies. The judge from Phuket Provincial Court Katha Kanjanasutha is being held at Mongkol Nimitr temple in Phuket, while the funeral for a judge of Phang-Nga court Chakart Kulvanit is being conducted at Wat Mai Senarangsan in Thakuapa district of Phang-Nga. The late chief of the Phuket Internal Trade Office Sompotch Sangkhapong’s body is now under a ritual ceremony at Chonpratharn Rangsarit in Nontha Buri, while the acting director of Phang Nga’s Mitigation office Apichai Prompornpitakkul is at Sri Mahathart temple in Bangkok.
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Compensation ...Further Detail
Looks like 12Go owners have outlined what exact compensation payment they are willing to pay to ALL passengers. (not just the Thai ones as was mentioned in the press a while back)...
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The principal purpose of the Warsaw Convention was to determine the liability of air carriers in the case of an accident, both in regards to passengers and also baggage and cargo. One of the main reasons that the Warsaw Convention needed amending in Montreal was because the maximum compensation that an airline could be forced to pay in the event of an international accident was 75,000 US dollars (for the death of one person). This limit, set to protect a fledging aviation industry from bankruptcy, has now been changed, so that the minimum a bereaved family can claim - without having to prove the airline’s negligence - is 135,000 dollars. And if the carrier is found at fault for the accident... Well, then the sky’s the limit!
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I worked for 20 years in airline Traffic/Operations offices. The aircraft that landed a few minutes ahead of the illfated one was a Company aircraft (probably same type?) and both would have been on the Phuket Tower frequency so the one behind would have heard all communication between the Tower and the one that landed successfully and this would have helped the Captain in making his own decision whether to continue his own approach or not.
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21-09-2007, 07:34
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"Airline seeks to boost insurance pay-out for victims of air crash Embattled budget airline One-Two-Go is negotiating to raise the compensation payment to families of passengers killed in the Phuket plane crash from the initially agreed US$130,000 (Bt4.5 million) to $150,000". Published on September 20, 2007 "Chief executive officer Khajit Hapnanont said: "Although the insurer initially agreed to pay $130,000 for each victim, we're not quite satisfied with the figure. We are negotiating to raise the compensation as high as possible."
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MiniVDO: The Israeli Embassy spokesperson thanks the Thai authority for assistance after the plane crash.
To see or download mini-video, go to ThaisNews Officials from the Israeli Embassy in Thailand gathered to perform ritual ceremonies and pay respect to three bodies of Israeli nationals who were killed in Sunday’s air crash, before the bodies were taken to Bangkok by air. The bodies were then due to be sent on to Israel at midnight last night. Yesterday all eight Israeli bodies were identified and repatriated. Mr Lior Weintraub, a spokesperson for the Embassy, stated that he received good cooperation from the Thai officials and expressed thanks to the Thai authorities for their fast assistance. Mr Weintraub is certain that many Israelis will still travel to Phuket for holidays, as he summed up for us: MiniVDO: 26 passengers from Sunday’s plane crash are now being treated at hospital in Phuket while Phuket International Airport returns to normal. To see or download mini-video, go to ThaisNews Most of the patients injured from Sunday’s air crash are making good progress with 10 discharged from hospital. Among them one is Thai and nine are foreign. 29 are still currently being hospitalized with one at Wachira Phuket, seven at Phuket International Hospital and 18 at Bangkok Phuket Hospital. The Dutch patient previously treated in the ICU of Phuket International hospital is reported to be recovering well and moved to a normal ward while the condition of severely injured patients at Bangkok Phuket hospital also improved. The British patient who had been transferred from Bangkok Hospital Phuket is reported to be hospitalized in Bangkok awaiting to be sent home for treatment. MiniVDO: Most Thai families have received 100,000 baht for funeral arrangements, while no foreign families have yet claimed the funds. To see or download mini-video, go to ThaisNews On the fourth day after the tragic plane accident the office of Phuket International Airport still has families of victims, who came to collect the 1000,000 baht funds for funeral arrangements. Yesterday afternoon, a father of Supaluck Cheu-iew, made a trip from Phang Nga to collect a cheques. He told reporters that he was satisfied with the fund aid, but thinks procedure involved police documents can be improved. On the One Two Go Airline’s side, Chairman Mr Udom Tantiprasongchai, said most of the Thai families have collected the funds, while they haven’t had any contacts from foreign families. The company has informed their Embassies about the matter. As for compensation, Mr Udom said that his company proposed to the insurance company that victims should be compensated around 5.2 million baht each. As for foreign bodies, fourteen have been repatriated as of 5pm yesterday, leaving 42 remaining in refrigerated containers. Among the latest bodies released were three Israeli, three American, one Canadian and one French. Special - Phuket International Airport atmosphere active again with planes and passengers To see or download mini-video, go to ThaisNews Despite the tragic air accident on Sunday being another shocking experience for the world, air travel is still favourable for passengers. It is also hoped it will not greatly affect local tourism . The check in counter for the One-Two-Go Airline at the Phuket International Airport was busy again right after the airport re-opened for service at around 5 pm the next day or just 26 hours after the plane crash. Once it re-opened the airport was flocked by passengers from many airlines as if nothing happened as travel by plane is so necessary for long haul journies. These two adults and young Australian travelers were prepared to travel again by plane. One said she was not concerned as she understood what happened was just an accident. On the airport administration’s side, the Phuket Airport Director Squadron Leader Pornchai Aue –Aree stated that right after the opening 106 flights confirmed their requests for landing and taking off. The Phuket Airport has a capacity to accommodate a maximum of 114 flights per day (the Airport of Thailand management say up to 10 per hour), is open 24 hours a day, and it is the second biggest & busiest airport after Bangkok. But Pornchai earlier told us they would like to spread the demand from airlines to more off-peak hours and avoid rush hours or bunching, and were considering adjusting the landing fees to encourage the airlines and reduce pressure on their staff including Immigration, Customs and of course Air Traffic Control or AeroThai staff. The latest figures for traffic numbers up to end of August show a 34.77% increase in flights this year compared to last year, and 23.76% increase in passengers, both in and out. On the tourism side the Deputy Director of the Tourism Authority of Thailand Ranjuan Thongrut said so far there has only been one group cancellation of Chinese with 50 people while other foreign bookings remain unchanged as they understand that it was an accident. The Japanese in particular are still going ahead with their Walk and Run activity planned for September 29-30th in Phuket. The same views were confirmed by two hotel personnel in Patong. The Sales Manager of Phuket Graceland Resort and Spa khun Mekin thinks the accident would only have a small immediate impact, but he believes that this high season will be active with airplane travelers. The General Manager of Club Andaman Beach Resort Adison Sitthiwong also said the accident should not affect tourism as he has been talking with many agents and their clients all agreed that it was just an accident. All original stories from Andaman News TV11 (VHF dial) 8.30am + maybe FM90.5 Radio Thailand 6pm, both broadcast to Phang Nga, Krabi & Phuket provinces, FM108 Mazz Radio 7.30pm in Phuket & Phuket Cable TV Channel 1 at 7, 10.30 or 11pm, Friday 21 September 2007 & Êӹѡ¢èÒÇ ¡ÃÁ»ÃЪÒÊÑÁ¾Ñ¹¸ì......ThaisNews »ÃШÓÇѹÈØ¡Ãì·Õè 21 ¡Ñ¹ÂÒ¹ 2550
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Two of my friends were on board. I got a phone call last Sunday telling me it was their flight and that one was in intensive care, the other missing. Me and my friends sat around waiting for news until bedtime. I got the call on Monday telling me they'd found one of my mates, Aaron Toland's, body. My other friend Christy Cooley is still in hospital but is recovering, although they can't be sure if he's in the clear yet as he obtained severe head injuries. Aaron's body is being flown home tonight and his funeral is on Monday. Cooley should be home in 10 days.
I just heard Christy's story for the first time today, apparantely Christy was the only one of the front 80 onboard to survive. He said he was wakened by the bang and the aisle was waist deep in water, he had to swim down the plane. While he was swimming the roof collapsed, giving him his head injuries. He then managed to climb out the roof and once outside ran into the nearby jungle. He collapsed and woke up in hospital. Aaron had been on sleeping pills because he didn't like flying. Tragedy. Last edited by StiofanDerry; 21-09-2007 at 18:13.
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Very sorry to hear of the loss of your friend and I hope the other can make a full recovery.
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WOW.. Terrible to hear directly effecting people here..
But I have to wonder, what in hell could have caused the water and 'swimming' etc.. It didnt water land..
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