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23-09-2007, 06:31
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Are we any different from BGs?
Time after time it is pointed out on this board not to believe the girls, that they are trying to get what they can out of us. They only go with us because we are rich and will do and say anything to get their ticket abroad!
Do we not do the same? The talk on the board is how attractive they are.."why did you go with her, she's only a six?" We pick them on their looks, knowing our money gets us girls younger and prettier than we could get at home (even the hansum amongst us) We have created the girls attitude to us by showing how we can be manipulated for money and how we are ready to be parted from it..most let reality kick in when home. Does this not mean we are more mercenary than the girls? 
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23-09-2007, 06:37
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Well it's definitly not a one way street.
Many girls l would think start out with semi good intentions but are soon hardened by their "sisters" who work the bars and also farangs who lie and cheat on them. Don't forget many are also "trained" even before they hit the bars....they see the farangs in their villages...they see the wealth girls from the same village acquire when only a year or two ago they had nothing. Are we different.........yes......we have money, they don't....not yet anyway.
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23-09-2007, 07:26
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I don't think there's any specific comparison to be drawn really, we are all humans and naturally strive to look out for ourselves and do the best we can. The girls that get into this game do it with good intentions as Mav describes and also often with the dream of finding a guy they'd be happy to marry. From our side of things a lot of guys go to thailand after messy farang relationships, not on some blatant sex or find-a-wife tour but while there kinda get their eyes opened to how well a thai woman will treat her man. On the other end of the scale you've got BGs who've been in it for so long that it's broken their character, and the farang pr!cks who scam, lie, exploit and treat the girls like shit. Then you have everything in between.
My point is that it's not really a common behaviour link between us and BGs, more one that exists for people as a whole. To respond to your second post which I've just seen - I wouldn't describe their or our behaviour as "better" or "worse" and I don't judge BGs or those that pay them to be "bad". Obviously you have individuals on both sides that behave what nearly all would regard as badly but they are just that - individuals.
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23-09-2007, 20:46
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good post brit! could not have put it better myself..... 
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24-09-2007, 00:15
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and as many BM's call it "the game" - you have to know and respect the rules just as the girls. and there is "good" and "bad" as everywhere. but what is good for me can be bad for you, and the otherway around! it is a matter of what you want - it is a game! and there is a lot of players to play with!   Last edited by minikraut : 24-09-2007 at 00:17. Reason: spelling mistake! sorry!
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24-09-2007, 00:29
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A good thoughtful answer! As minikraut says it is a game, and one which i love playing! I do respect the girls but sometimes when reading posts here i feel that sometimes people forget about the worse from our side which the girls have put up with...again ably pointed out by Brit... in a lot of cases their behaviour has been moulded by men and not only their poorer circumstances.
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24-09-2007, 01:15
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5555555555555 Yes, we are just that: individuals. It's the most phylosophical thought I ever read about prostitution. 
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24-09-2007, 04:15
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Well again that's only natural I think - this is pretty much a farang forum and we're writing about our own experiences. I'm sure if you went into the backstage area of a big gogo bar the talk amongst the girls there would be a kind of mirror image of some of the posts on here - some handsome guy one of the girls picked up, how much to charge LT, the scams and BS farangs have pulled on them etc. You're right about the moulded behaviour and how the door swings both ways, equally it's some of the BG behaviour that leads to increased cynicism from our side. It's unfortunate that the blowback nearly always occurs to the next BG/punter in line instead of the actual perpetrators.
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24-09-2007, 04:59
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which is the same with girls round the world... Quote:
as is mostly always the case!
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24-09-2007, 07:31
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I'm curious. What bad behavior are you reffering to? I haven't read anything on this forum and haven't seen it on my visits. Or am I wearing rosey tinted glasses? 
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24-09-2007, 08:28
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I don't lie to anyone I meet when I'm in LOS. I don't see the point. (Some might suggest that it's because I've got nothing interesting in my history to lie about  ) That doesn't mean I'm a cold-hearted b@st@rd - just that I'm upfront and honest in my dealings. Sure it might have cost me a bit of fun here and there, but I've come back home every time unscarred.
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25-09-2007, 06:37
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There are all sorts - plenty of girls who've been ripped off by a non-payer, guys who get rough with them in the room, getting to the room and finding there are multiple men there all expecting a turn, being dropped like a stone by a sponsor who decides he doesn't want to leave his wife anymore etc etc etc. One of the worst I ever read somewhere was a guy going round trying to get as many girls knocked up as possible - he'd play the good boyfriend (though having a few girls on the go at any one time) then do a runner once they got pregged and past abortion stage. I suppose on the lowest level there's the lies and being given false hopes which range anything from bordering on marriage plans to a guy simply not going back to their bar after he said he would. Also you do see it in bars there'll be some people treating the girls like shit. Close to saying "like wh0res" that may be what they are as a definition but there's no justification for the way some people disrepectfully engage with them.
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25-09-2007, 12:34
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for me: no. why should i lie to the girl?? i also treat the girl like my girlfriend (like i did the last trip  )
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25-09-2007, 18:04
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I believe they say whatever they need to say so they can get what they can out of us, and I also believe many of us say (promise) many things to them as well to get whatever it is we want from them.... I believe u are right "we" all do the game. And in some cases "the game" takes a swing and a few wind up in relationships... The whole thing started with sex and money  BL: BG wants money BM wants sex, and a sh*t load of it 
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25-09-2007, 18:30
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See, this is always going to be a problem in having a relationship with a bar girl.
Ok, trust will always be lacking even if she is being a "good girl". How many of us would believe this? A few if any. So if the girl is trying to prove she is a good girl we already have a level of mistrust because of things we have heard before. Now then, how many times have bargirls heard "No I'm not a butterfly" only to see the man she was with a day or 2 before walking down Bangla road or Nana Plaza with another girl. So then the bargirl now begins to distrust all farangs. So then you get the situation where you are in a relationship, sending money to a bargirl. She thinks you are screwing around back in farangland, and the guy is thinking to himself has she got a Thai husband? No words can assure the other because both are liars, based on previous experience, or other peoples experience. However, the truth is both could be doing nothing wrong, living there lives waiting to be reunited. Another issue of dating a bargirl could be that the first time you met her, you paid her for sex. This girl is wondering how many other young girls you have slept with and the man could be thinking if the girl is still sleeping around for easy money, or is wondering how many other men she has slept with, ultimately destroying the relationship Are we different than bargirls, because of the lying that some of us do to the girls "No, I don't have a women back home." etc when infact the guy has a wife or girlfriend back home, then my answer would be no, we are no different. in fact in some ways, I think, we are worse. we expect the women to be faithful to us, not cheat etc and if they do, they are out of the door. However when we cheat on them... "No worries, not like she is going to find out." Just my 2 cents on the matter here...
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25-09-2007, 18:41
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I tend to think we're all as bad as one another - they lie, we lie - nuff said.
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25-09-2007, 18:56
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I think this pretty much sums it up. Fundamentally I could never really trust a BG and she'd be mad to trust me once I got home.
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25-09-2007, 22:03
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or you could look at it almost like you are "dating" in a way and not worry so much what she is up to me personally, i trusted my gf, but to be honest, i really didnt put much thought into because i have had my little flings all along it is a little weird having that kind of attitude when you are sponsoring someone, but i would much rather have that attitude than to be worried all the time
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