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11-10-2007, 10:50
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Joiner Fee Thai lady discrimination
I live here so don't get involved in this Joiner Fee business but thinking about it the principal really sucks. On another thread a guy is saying he was going to book a double-occupancy room in one of the new hotels here but has been told that there is a Joiner Fee of 1000baht if he wishes to have a lady stay overnight because the hotel doesn't want to be seen as that sort of hotel!
So say this guy didn't know before hand about this and had a regular Thai girlfriend/fiance even and flew in from Bangkok with her to stay in one of these hotels. On checking-in reception would say to him he would have to pay 1000baht a night extra for the lady to stay with him. It seems that you pay for a double occupancy room but if the lady staying with you is Thai then you pay extra...that would really p#ss me off... yet if you pitched up with a Caucasian tart you would be welcomed with open arms.
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11-10-2007, 10:57
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Ditto, with my character I could guarantee fireworks. Regardless of what lady I am with I would expect, nay demand, she be treated with respect. I dont comprehend joiner fee at all.
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11-10-2007, 11:39
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Hard to believe it would be good business to treat all mixed couples that way. In that case I would find another hotel - they are making it clear they don't want mixed couples - even if they are genuine mixed couples that other couples will THINK are BG and customer. Unusual... but who knows what some of the 5 star type places might think is good business. There would be thai style fireworks (protracted verbal filleting!) if any hotel we had booked tried this crap with the (Thai) wife and I at check-in. A 1000 baht surcharge because she looks like a BG?  Buddha help the receptionist cause the wife would not be taking prisoners! Enjoy.
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11-10-2007, 12:39
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The way some hotels do is a good solution, no joiner fee for the first lady but additional ones. So real couples, girlfriends etc dont get any hassle.
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11-10-2007, 12:51
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Good system if you are paying for a single room but if you are being charged a room rate with a double bed in it then extra charges are a discrimination.
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11-10-2007, 12:53
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the "thai girl" joiner fee happened to a friend of my wifes, the girl involved was a non-bg and tried to hit her fiance up with the joiner fee, poor girl did not even understand the problem, as she had never even heard the concept of "joiner fee", embarrasing for the poor girl.
i am with Minder on this one, i think my wife would be most horrified if it was asked for and i think for the first time i would see her angry, on our honeymoon in phuket last year,there was no problem on that trip.
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11-10-2007, 13:19
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11-10-2007, 13:21
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 It is totally just a scam to make more money off of singles guys! 
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11-10-2007, 13:23
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I too had that situation in CA but, the usual is a room rate, not a person rate. UK charges peson rate although some chains are room rate. I would have no probs paying extra on the person rate hotels, just those that quote a room rate and then try to add on because you have a Thai wife/gf.
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11-10-2007, 13:30
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I think its a way to have less single guys with (different) overnight girls, and I guess it works as single guys often use other hotels. I understand what you are saying but I can aslo understand the hotels.
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11-10-2007, 14:07
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I am with Nicke on this instead of Jaybee's scam - by a factor of about 51% to 49%. I think the scam element exists in the up to 500 baht joiner fee but when you get to a 1000 or several thousands in joiner fee being asked then it seems that deterrence rather than profit is the hotel's motive. Enjoy.
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11-10-2007, 14:24
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Hmnnn...this has reminded me that my wife's first reaction when hearing thru me of the whole joiner fee system was: "SCAM" - that was over 500 baht in 2004 at Patong Villa which everybody else says is "guest friendly". We have never had any problems checking in together but the wife has been asked for her id card more than once by a security guard as we return to our hotel late at night. We laugh it off - the guard is only doing his job - and the wife says she is never insulted cause she knows it is not because she looks like a BG, but because I look like someone who could only get a girl if I paid for her  Enjoy. __________________ "Heaven holds a sense of wonder...and I wanted to believe..."
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11-10-2007, 14:36
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Travelling with GF or wife!
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I do understand some hotels (family hotels) have a high joiner fee, and dont want to have the traffic it involves with single people bringing new partner every day, every night, and sometimes more than one a day! You solve that problem easy with booking two people when you checking in! Is not more complicated than that! But it is easier if you have a name to put on the booking to ;-)
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11-10-2007, 14:45
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I have checked in with a TG on 4/5 occassions in the past and never had a problem. The Holiday Inn in Patong was brilliant and all staff treated my TG with as much respect as they did me, I cannot praise them highly enough. I have stayed there 3 times and would always have them in mind for any future visits, although it works out quite expensive if a stay is for more than a week - so 3 week stays like this one are taken at the KN Guest House.
 I think that hotels where a TG is checked in and then start making "joiner fee" noises should be named and shamed. 
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11-10-2007, 16:28
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It comes down to a case of: Demographic and Revenue increase. These are not opposing factors (opposite end of a spectrum) but are the main factors taken into consideration. Of course it's dependent on the marketing strategy of the hotel, as to what weighting both these factors are given. Whilst I understand and appreciate the concept of the Joiner Fee, it will currently influence my choice of accommodation.  During my stay in Sept (maiden voyage) I had to pay a 1 time Joiner fee of 500bht to have a guest stay with me for the duration of my stay. (double room)Whilst I agree this can raise discrimination issues due to environment. IMO believe that hotels should not be able to charge you a Joiner fee, if you have booked a double room and disclose the identity of both parties that will be staying in the room for the duration of the stay. The same principle can be applied to "same sex couples' and other forms of discrimination. (Principles of Human rights)
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11-10-2007, 18:29
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When I go over to Thailand I always pre-book and put my g/f's name down as well, just to be on the safe side - had no problems yet but then again I usually pick 'girl friendly' hotels anyway.
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11-10-2007, 19:00
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same same. I pre-booked with tgf name on reservation for my next trip. 
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11-10-2007, 19:52
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Makes you wonder how the hotels handle that too!! If 2 gay chaps or a couple of lesbians book a double room.
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12-10-2007, 04:00
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55555555555... The same thought crossed my mind when I was posting that statement.
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12-10-2007, 04:37
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I have no problems paying for a double room even if I don't have a partner with me for every night....however i do object to the opportunistic embarrassment factor that some hotels prey upon when asking for JF's especially in front of the girl (when you are half cut late at night/early morning) or even worse on your bill at the end of your stay without ever mentioning it prior.......so it blows up into a huge confrontation and you are the one made to look like the unreasonable tightwad!
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12-10-2007, 06:01
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long long time ago , the first trip to phuket i stayed in Patong Merlin had to pay 500 thb JF but the girl wasnot aloud in the swimming pool , i got angry told the manager i not pay JF any more if she could not use the facilities , after that no more problems. next year i stayed in te same hotel and ther was a just married couple from holland the wife was dutch but has indonesian parents, the gards stopt her every day the first 3 days,she couldn't get in if her husband did not pick her up.after sorted it out with the manager and a lot of apologies the problem was solved, it is a good hotel but never stayed there again to many BS if u not have a farang GF
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