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All these lads are slagging off timeshare and yes there is shit companies out there that will take the piss and not give you the gift you are promised to attend the presentation but the firm I work at the moment is a good firm and true to its word,If a couple attend a 90 minute presentation they recieve a weeks holiday in a nice location for upto 4 people including flights and yes when they get there they do have to attend another 90 minute thing but thats it and they can choose when it is in the 7 days,they can make it their last day if they like,and people that dont understand how it works always ask "but how can your company afford to give us this free holiday even if we dont buy ? " well the answer is the accomadation costs the company nothing and they get flights dirt cheap cos they buy so many and the small persentage that do actually buy one fund the costs of your freebie so thats it. 
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23-10-2007, 01:52
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I was robbed over here in tenerife by a couple of black blokes but I dont hate every one of them because of it.
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23-10-2007, 02:06
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Its good of you to put your case Craig, and fair play for outlining how how the freebies work. Unfortunately, the timeshare in LOS, which operates out of Thara Patong Hotel and Seapearl (or used to) is very heavy on the hard sell. I know, I got caught 3 years ago. What was supposed to be a 90 min presentation turned into a 3 hour high pressure sales pitch by both the guy presenting, and his manager. We were even asked to return , with them, back to my hotel to get my credit card for payment of said timeshare. As for the freebie, ha it was a T Shirt, big deal! Have you heard of "Club Absolute" ? Well they are the vermin annoying the hell out of holidaymakers in Phuket. I could say a whole lot more, but will leave it here with just one more thing to say about it all. If timeshare is so great for us, why not just put up a few posters around the streets and wait for people to come to you. Why are there guys (and girls) roaming the streets with scratch cards (every one is a winner naturally), combing the beaches with "surveys" only to later ring you at some unearthly time in the morning? It is the very fact that people on holiday don't want this crap pushed at them. Just advertise in the newspapers and magazines, and stop annoying people on their holiday. Oh, and yes, a simple no thanks should suffice, but it rarely does.
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23-10-2007, 02:14
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I must be very shallow minded, like LiL. (actually, LiL did put a "disclaimer" of sorts..."some places, timeshare is not a con") As for me, I HATE no one. But I do HATE what every timeshare (operative) does! I'm with Dawsey..."Don't call me, I'll call you!" Last edited by pablo : 23-10-2007 at 02:40.
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Yeah I know exactly what you are saying Dawsey,and you are very right mate,it should be a simple no thanks and thats it and I respect peoples wishes and that is how I work,I cant be bothered to keep flogging a dead horse to be honest with you.And the company That I work for does alot of advertising on the Radio so its not all about approaching people on the streets
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23-10-2007, 03:22
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Fair enough Craig. Thanks for your reply. I'd say good luck with the job in LOS, but then I'd be a hypocrite 5555
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23-10-2007, 03:52
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Craig, if at the end, it will not work out for you with timeshare in here don't worry, in los there are many tailor shops happy to give you a job as well
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Stop taking it personally - it is the way that type of business is conducted in Phuket that has the "lads" here giving you a hammering. If every "black bloke" you met in tenerife did rob you or would rob you if you let them, then you would hate them quick enough - hence the feeling by the board members here toward time share types in Phuket. There are no nice ones; they are all arseholes because that is how that type of business is conducted in LOS - end of story. To do that type of work in Phuket you must lower your current standards - imagine you are a British Bobby and went to LOS to do the same work - you would have to play the game the way it is played there, not the way you are currently allowed to play it at home. ....and be careful who you make friends with, go drinking with Dodger and you might wake up in a bath tub full of ice ... Enjoy. __________________ "Heaven holds a sense of wonder...and I wanted to believe..."
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Arrogance and self respect are not the same thing. Giving to charity is laudable but in itself proves nothing - mafia members give to charity. My original point stands - no good product needs the hard sell - the hard sell exists to pressure and brow beat people into signing a deal they do not really want. Actually your sensitivity on this issue is a sign of hope - you still have something of a conscience. Take the advice here and get yourself a proper job.
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23-10-2007, 15:21
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Must be a really bad financial deal for the buyer if this is the case!!!!!!!!!!!
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23-10-2007, 15:39
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Wow Cotambear, what an attitude you have!!!! he makes his living from this occupation, it is his proper job.
No good product needs the hard sell, cannot quite agree!! soft drinks, fast food, cigarettes, readers digest, insurance, houses, the list is endless. They do not all use the same sales tactics, and these with time share put a lot of you guys backs up, but they all hard sell. Yes there are unscrupulous people in every trade, there are very very big profit margins in time share, hence the gifts etc but to insult someone you have never met who is just asking for assistance in finding work on the island in the occupation he has chosen doesn't warrant this holier than thou attitude, does it? You know whatever your occupation, there will be someone who can tell you of a criminal or scam carried out by someone in it, its life. No one forces people to sign up, most people arrive at the presentation knowing a little about it, but maybe not all aspects of swapping weeks and properties etc. Its an opportunity sale whilst people are on their holidays in spending mode, they should still have a cooling off period once home, if they want to change their minds. For some people it gives them the feeling of ownership at a fraction of the cost, they feel good giving their weeeks to family members. You also question the guys motives behind his charity work, liking him to a member of the mafia because they give to charity? wow???
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23-10-2007, 15:43
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Timeshare is the same the world over regarding its personnel, they have made the area I live in in Spain a no go area for the susceptible and weak. I cannot comment on the OP as I dont know him but, I DO KNOW the Spanish time share touts and one of the guys that actually owns a complex. They are really not nice people, totally mercenary and without conscience. Dodger is correct too, they are great to go out with but only on a very superficial level. Again, no offence to the OP but, timeshare should be banned from direct approach methods the World over.
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Very harsh and uncalled for....Are you going to tell Easyrider he is unwelcome due to the fact he sells used cars and most people have had issues with used car dealers, I was offered a position some years ago by a used car dealer but declined when i found out what they wanted me to do to get sales but this does not mean all car dealers are the same. Quote:
From the posts you are making about a guy you know nothing about and have never met or spoke to you are the perfect person to explain the meaning of arrogance to him, we all have an opinions about the job he is doing but to publicly abuse him on the forum shows you for what you are.
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23-10-2007, 21:29
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Its alot of strong oppinions in this thread...
As i see it, Boxer2quick doesnt deny that there is idiots in his kind of business.. And who are you guys to piss on what he does for a living.. In what way are you better then him...?
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well im a trader....and we all know that there is nothing but saints in my industry so i can pass judgement 555
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23-10-2007, 22:28
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That sounds good to me ototto, can you give me any idea on the sort of money that they pay please.
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23-10-2007, 22:43
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In answer to those who have accused me of being `holier than though` or thinking I`m better than the OP.
I`m generally speaking `a live and let live` kind of person, I don`t think it`s my place to moralise or prescribe other peoples multi varied lifestyles or choices. But I do not subscribe to the pernicious moral relativism of post modernism. If someone came on this forum and tried to justify beating and robbing people I would condemn them from my own HIGHER moral standards (I make no apologies for this). If someone comes on the forum and attempts to justify the bullying and lying and robbing of the weak and vulnerable (and that is what timeshare essentially IS) then they deserve all that I have said and probably far worse. Assuming that he is not trolling I will answer Dodgers points. Well Dodger according to you all products do the hard sell?!?! I have to say that I`ve never heard of MacDonald’s recruiting customers in the street and taking them to a restraunt where they have been subjected to 3 hours of psychological intimidation, browbeating, never taking no for an answer etc before they eventually give in and buy a burger. Nor have I heard of people who have bought a soft drink not knowing the full financial commitment they were making when they handed over their bank card. This happens to victims of timeshare and they can face years of debt, depression and often lose their home. I`ve never heard of anyone losing their home after buying a can of FANTA. Of course there are immoral people in every profession. The difference is that if they are discovered (eg a judge that accept bribes) then they are meant to be excluded. However we are discussing a situation where the entire ethos of the timeshare `profession` is immoral. `No one is forced to sign up` – well no one is forced to confess under torture as well – its just that the pressure becomes unbearable. While it is true of course that timeshare companies do not employ `rendition` kidnappings and wire peoples knackers to the grid, they do leave people feeling that the only way to relieve the pressure is to sign. It is not in any way a genuine `choice`. As you know the OP mentioned charity work as an example of his giving caring nature. I restate that in itself it proves nothing as anyone can give to charity including mafia members. I did not (as you well know) liken him to a member of the mafia. I restate that a `job` where you lie, cheat, con, intimidate, prey on the vulnerable is not a proper job and the OP should consider alternatives. He will not be helped in doing this by those who justify the exploitation of the weak. My last post in this topic. Quote:
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TThank you mate, you are my kind of guy.you are telling it exactly how it is.There is not many in this world left mate.I am an honest person who does not screw people over,I help people whenever I can,infact if a stranger knocked my door in the middle of the night starving and no where to go I would find it very hard not to try and help him in some way or another but Im no mug or pushover who gets taken for a ride.To be honest with you I dont really like the human race,most would step over you on the street if you were dying.All you lot slagging me off like a gooden,I bet you would make up any excuse to help someone in need,maybe not all of you cos I dont know you but I bet most of you would not do anything for anyone without a price and do you know how I know that? cos I know what **** holes most people are.telling me about morales ! ask yourself this,when was the last time you stopped to give someone a hand that had broken down or gave a hitchhiker a lift,it costs nothing ! and yes you do have to be careful who you pick up but that aint the reason most dont bother its cos they could not give a **** about anyone but them selves.
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I don't know the poster , have no idea what type of person he is or whether he is into the "hard sell" business. What I do find strange is that the majority of BM's have slagged off "Timeshare Touts" on this forum since I joined but now seem to think they are all "wonderful , nice people" who are "just doing their job".
 Welcome to the forum Boxer , it appears that you are getting stick more for the 'reputation' of your profession rather than personally.
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