Phuket

marc26 · #1 01-07-2004, 19:37

I am coming to LOS in 2 weeks. I land in BKK on Saturday, but I have told my TGF that i do not land until Teusday, so that I can butterfly for a few days before I settle down with her. She is getting pretty wise, and as I talk to her on the phone daily, I have to either come up wwith an excuse why i can not talk to her on the phone for a few days, or a way I can call from BKK without her knowing by caller ID that I am in BKK. I know some of you guys will tell me that I dont have to explain anything to her, but Id appreciate your help on some ideas. thanks guys

LivinLOS · #2 01-07-2004, 19:49

Your going up against the bamboo network... God help you

!!!

If you use a UK mobile she should still see a +44 number on her phone.. Thats said I still think you will be ****ed !!!! Good luck and enjoy.

marc26 · #3 01-07-2004, 19:57

well she works in patong. i dont htink she knows anyone in Bangkok. but i also plan on doing my butterlfying far from where will be staying. i even booked 2 seperate hotels, 1 for the 3 days before i see her, and 1 for when she comes

butterflyblonde · #4 01-07-2004, 20:35

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Originally Posted by marc26

well she works in patong. i dont htink she knows anyone in Bangkok. but i also plan on doing my butterlfying far from where will be staying. i even booked 2 seperate hotels, 1 for the 3 days before i see her, and 1 for when she comes

Just tell her the truth that you are too horny to stay with 1 girl only , that you are indeed a butterfly, it will be better 4 u in the long run as you may find out , is your tgf a b/g ?? If so , its highly unlikely shes faithful to you anyway , if you think she tells you the truth , then you are a fool ..trust me

marc26 · #5 01-07-2004, 21:14

she doesnt work in the bar anymore, she lives at home. and trust me, from all her phone calls at various times, trust me, I know shes home. but does that mean she doesnt have a thai bf, I dont think she does, but who the hell knows, I dont really worry.

butterflyblonde · #6 01-07-2004, 22:57

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Originally Posted by marc26

she doesnt work in the bar anymore, she lives at home. and trust me, from all her phone calls at various times, trust me, I know shes home. but does that mean she doesnt have a thai bf, I dont think she does, but who the hell knows, I dont really worry.

No problem m8te , that's good to hear , just bear in mind that most bg's or pretty much all are fantastic actresses and spin many bullshit stories, even if you are not sending money they are keeping in touch with farangs so they have a guaranteed wage when you return, never be under the illusion that they ''really like u '' and it not about the money ...it is about the money wether a man is young and extremely handsome or not.
I heard all this myself and so have many other BM's here , if she dont work bar she needs to support herself and her family, how is she doing this ?
Most girls who work the bar , leave to go home while its low season so maybe she is telling the truth but there are so many reasons they will return to that life once high season rolls round again.
stay cool

mikegb · #7 01-07-2004, 23:14

Hi Marc,

Dont think im having a go at you because im not, but I am reading your post and a couple of thing come to my mind.

1) What do you want to happen with this relationship? Do you want to be with her as a couple? If so, then why are you wanting to fcuk other women before you see her?

2) If you dont want a 'real' relationship with her (and I would guess you DO because you talk with her EVERY day on the phone) then just tell her you are having 3 days on your own, then you will see her. Be a man not a mouse.

My guess is that you are living a bit of a dream (nothing wrong with that). You like the idea of having close contact with an exotic girl from the other side of the world. The cost of phone calls must be horrendous. If YOU aren't paying for all of them, then where does SHE get the money for international phone calls?

Anyway, I guess all I am trying to say is try and work out what YOU want, then do it. Its your life.

As for the excuses or lies, then be very careful. You are already aware of the Thai jungle drums, but maybe you havent thought about a couple of other things. Firstly, your airline ticket will have dates on it and if she has a look through your things she WILL spot it, but secondly, your PASSPORT gets stamped with your arrival date !!!!! Explain that one to her !!! If she gets her hands on your passport, you are fcuked.

Good luck with whatever you choose, but just make sure you have a great time on holiday. You have waited a long time for it and it would be a shame to waste time arguing and fighting when there are so many girls out there you can have a great time with.

geespot · #8 01-07-2004, 23:40

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Originally Posted by mikegb

Hi Marc,

Dont think im having a go at you because im not, but I am reading your post and a couple of thing come to my mind.

1) What do you want to happen with this relationship? Do you want to be with her as a couple? If so, then why are you wanting to fcuk other women before you see her?

2) If you dont want a 'real' relationship with her (and I would guess you DO because you talk with her EVERY day on the phone) then just tell her you are having 3 days on your own, then you will see her. Be a man not a mouse.

My guess is that you are living a bit of a dream (nothing wrong with that). You like the idea of having close contact with an exotic girl from the other side of the world. The cost of phone calls must be horrendous. If YOU aren't paying for all of them, then where does SHE get the money for international phone calls?

Anyway, I guess all I am trying to say is try and work out what YOU want, then do it. Its your life.

As for the excuses or lies, then be very careful. You are already aware of the Thai jungle drums, but maybe you havent thought about a couple of other things. Firstly, your airline ticket will have dates on it and if she has a look through your things she WILL spot it, but secondly, your PASSPORT gets stamped with your arrival date !!!!! Explain that one to her !!! If she gets her hands on your passport, you are fcuked.

Good luck with whatever you choose, but just make sure you have a great time on holiday. You have waited a long time for it and it would be a shame to waste time arguing and fighting when there are so many girls out there you can have a great time with.

and Marc remember the telephone connection tone from America and when you mobile is roaming in Thailand is different, if she calls you and you leave phone on, dont pretend you're still in US because she will know you're not.

G

ps Are you sponsoring her? i.e. paying at least 30,000 baht per month, because if not she's working or someone else is paying as well. Dont mean to be rude or short but you did seem pretty sure she's not up to anything or working the bar. Only way I would be sure is if you are staying with her full time and this is from me; a guy who is in way too deep.................business, house bla bla bla everything together and Im still a suspicious bstard.....

G

marc26 · #9 02-07-2004, 00:22

Id like to thank all you guys for your responses, and i do not mind if any of you guys question anything or are skeptical, because, I myself, am also. I date a few different girls in the states, nothing serious, so I am not putting all my eggs in this one basket. But like I said before, I enjoy doing a little butterflying, then settle down, because I do enjoy hanging out with this one girl, but like to have my fun too. I am not too concerned with finding away to come up with excuses before i see her, but i just was wondering if you guys had any good ideas. And belive me, if i got off the plane in LOS and she was standing there with another dude, Id go along and have a great vacation by myself, hanging out at MTB and checking out geespot's bar. So thanks for your advice guys

jsd · #10 02-07-2004, 10:59

Hey Marc, I'll be also in BKK this week-end. I'll stay at Ambassador Hotel - Sum. Soi 11. When I'm in BKK during the WE, I usualy go to Q bar (Soi 11), Gullivers Bar (Soi 5), The Bed (Soi 11) or/and Ministry of Sound (Soi 'I don't remember). Maybe we'll have chance of meeting together and have few drinks.

All,
I'm taking one week vacation in August (second week) and I want to discover new parts of LAOS. I was Thinking going to Ko Samui or Ko Chang or any place else (excepted Pattaya). I'm not really seeking for Hot nightlife. Any suggestion ? Thanks for your expertise and advices in this matter.

JSD

JayBee · #11 02-07-2004, 12:50

Hi Marc,
Read your agenda on another thread. Sounds perfect!!

There are 2 basic approaches to your situation. 1) Honesty is the Best Policy. The hard line - tell her straight out what's up, you want to be with her, but you needed a few days to unwind. She doesn't have a lock on you. If she asks about BGs, tell her you banged a few, or simply say in an authoritative tone, "Don't Ask!!" which tells her who is wearing the pants,and let's her draw the obvious conclusion, but also let's her know the topic is not open for discussion. How she reacts will tell you a lot about her. Incidentally, I picked up that line from a TG. They know the line and what it means. But say it with a smile.

Second approach- 2) What she doesn't know doesn't hurt her. This approach is often the more favored approach in U.S. If you tell American women the total upfront truth, they think you're a mean bastard. Americans don't appreciate bluntness, it borders on rudeness. If you are caught in a lie, you can always be a mean bastard later! Or even a nice guy, "Honey, I was just trying to spare your feelings. It was just a guy thing. Just sex. We have more than that." This approach involves concocting a story or figuring out how to disguise the location of your call, hide your passport, etc.

I think that honesty is a more simple and effective approach w/ a TG.

However there is a 3rd way : The Middle Road - You call her just before you leave. When you get to BKK, you go out and bang some BGs the first day/night. The second day you call her, tell her you are in Bangkok, you decided to leave a day early, and explain away the missing day by saying you were jet-lagged, fell asleep, lost track of time when you arrived. Not entirely a lie because you will be jet-lagged. Or you can say it was such a rush to get to the plane(you overslept, forgot to charge your phone, had to visit your mother, last minute work crisis, etc.), that you didn't have a chance to call her the last day you were in NY, which could also explain the missing day. Then you say, "Baby, I'm dying to see you. How soon can you get here?" w/ genuine enthusiasm. It still probably takes her a day or two to get there, since she has her plans made, her tickets bought. You get your 3 days of fun. She gets the explanation that should keep her happy. If she grills you about BGs, say whatever you like, or change the topic or revert to "Don't ask" approach. "All I could think about was you, let's talk about us, not other girls" is another good line cause I'm sure you will think about her while you are banging all those BGs, therefore not a lie.

In America, honesty isn't always appreciated. Sometimes it's a matter of "Don't ask, don't tell." You know that one, Marc. Sometimes it is a matter of the art of the little white lie, because in many cases a white lie is considered more appropriate than the truth. The white lie is much different from the BIG LIE.

In any case, the bottom line is that when you see her, you have a nice gift for her, you immediately take her out on the town, and treat her like a princess, and get her a little loaded. At that point is if she would rather disect explanations, check passports, and make pouty "you done me wrong" faces while she whines about your behavior, you inform her, "Sorry, Girl, you're not who I thought you were." And move on to the next one.

But you gotta admit, honesty sure is simpler. Saves a lot of complicated thinking. Is it worth it just to try and spare her feelings?

Bafana · #12 02-07-2004, 13:49

Easy - Don't ring her...

Go and bang as many LBFM's as you can and meet up with her later when by any luck you will be over her and you will have become the beautiful butterfly that u were meant to be from your current catipillar self...

And, No, I am not on any medication today

JayBee · #13 02-07-2004, 13:59

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Originally Posted by Bafana

Easy - Don't ring her...

Go and bang as many LBFM's as you can and meet up with her later when by any luck you will be over her and you will have become the beautiful butterfly that u were meant to be from your current catipillar self...

Thank you, Bafana. I knew there must be an easier way. I gave myself a headache w/ all that ****ysis.

geespot · #14 02-07-2004, 14:33

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Originally Posted by jsd

Hey Marc, I'll be also in BKK this week-end. I'll stay at Ambassador Hotel - Sum. Soi 11. When I'm in BKK during the WE, I usualy go to Q bar (Soi 11), Gullivers Bar (Soi 5), The Bed (Soi 11) or/and Ministry of Sound (Soi 'I don't remember). Maybe we'll have chance of meeting together and have few drinks.

All,
I'm taking one week vacation in August (second week) and I want to discover new parts of LAOS. I was Thinking going to Ko Samui or Ko Chang or any place else (excepted Pattaya). I'm not really seeking for Hot nightlife. Any suggestion ? Thanks for your expertise and advices in this matter.

JSD

Yeh go north and north east, follow the mekon or something like that, see the real LOS

Phuket, Ko Samui etc have no resemblence to the real LOS and Thai peoples life. Most tourists go to LOS, come back and think wow Thailand is wonderful and of course it is!! but they stay in a fabricated cocoon and think 'thats LOS', its not...........

Hope this helps

G

jsd · #15 02-07-2004, 15:13

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Originally Posted by geespot

Yeh go north and north east, follow the mekon or something like that, see the real LOS

Phuket, Ko Samui etc have no resemblence to the real LOS and Thai peoples life. Most tourists go to LOS, come back and think wow Thailand is wonderful and of course it is!! but they stay in a fabricated cocoon and think 'thats LOS', its not...........

Hope this helps

G

Thanks Geespot. You gave an idea. I'll fly to BKK, rent a car over there and drive to the north. In this case, I'll be able to visit a real good friend (ex BG in Patong - Black Cats bar or something like that) in Nakhon Sawan. Maybe someone knows her : nickname Fon ... I know it's a real common one ;-).
I'll try to discover the real LOS and share will all of view my "adventure" ;-).

Jsd