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02-09-2004, 03:31
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Next trip in Doubt now
I am not a happy man today. My trip to LOS in March is in doubt
 I have been self employed since 1978 but today I have been informed that due to new laws within the Inland Revenue, I will now be classed as "employed as from 1st Oct,having worked for the same firm for 2 years. The immediate effect of this means I will be over £500 per month down on my income. Over the last month I have been checking the cheap airline web sites and accomodation sites and gradually getting my plans together for a trip next Mar/Apr.Now its in doubt.£6000 a year is a lot of income to lose and its not like its only myself I have to pay for.My last trip cost me nearly £3500, less food and drink and I have serious doubts about affording this one. The wife and children aren't too happy either.I had told them we were going again and they were all really looking foreward to it. Hopefully I can get over this by working extra hours and cutting back.I was going to pack up smoking anyway!! Maybe I can find a way because I really need this holiday at Easter time.I work without any other breaks for 12months at a time,and to read this forum every day keeps the dream alive. Time for costcutting and heavy saving.The trouble is I cannot behave like a hermit and not have a few beers at the weekend with my mates.To live a life of not going out at all and being a tightar*e just isn't in my nature. Anyone got any ideas how to do it? I could always sell my daughters on ebay 
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02-09-2004, 03:48
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Marc In the UK, a worker can be classed as working for himself (self employed) or working for a company directly (employed) The differences are many,but most importantly,when you become directly "employed" in addition to income tax being deducted weekly we also pay a large payment of "national insurance" every week.It is something like 12% and also the employer has to pay the same amount to the government for each of the workers he employs.Consequently,the employer cannot pay the same hourly rate as before as he has the extra 12% national insurance to find each week. I have been stiffed with a pay cut of almost 25% and all because of President Tony Blair, his government and their obsession with milking the last pound out of us.God I hate the UK!!
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02-09-2004, 04:47
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They did a similar sort of thing in Oz, targetting IT contractors with their own companys. If you were getting more than a certain percentage of your work from the one employer, something like 70%, then you were denied company tax privileges, or something like that. I know it affected a few mates in Sydney.
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02-09-2004, 04:51
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 but the is no one else in our political battle field to put up a serious challenge to him
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02-09-2004, 05:00
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Look on the bright side
At least we can sleep safe in the knowledge that our hard earned cash is going to good use paying for our ethnic chums to come over here and claim asylum and be classed as refugees.
I found out only today of a work colleague that these bastards are GIVEN a place to live, FULLY furnished with cookers, washing machines, linen, TV's, beds, knives, forks. THE FCUKING LOT!!! My piss was boiling. I blame 2 groups of people. Firstly, the government and the 'do-gooders' that agreed to pay for all this without these bastards working, and secondly us, for not moaning at the right people. We only moan at each other. We should be moaning at local MPs to stop this shit once and for all. I, like a lot of other people, work very hard for my money. I have invested a lot of time and money trying to build up my 'property empire', and I know for a fact that the government will take as much from me as they can to pay for all this shit. Its time to declare war. 
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02-09-2004, 05:22
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mate its worse than you think , if a uk National can not pay his gas bill he is more or less forced to have a pay as you go gas meter so that they can have gas, pay of some of the bill in small amounts and have loads of inconvienance when the thing breaks down(which they do on a regular basis)our asylum chums are exempt from these when they are first given a council property for a while unless they startto work and earn the mighty pound.
if they can produce a reciept for the whole family on a bus or taxi which is over x amount they are offered enough money to buy a second hand car. wait it gets better. i was recently working in one of the short stay houses and over heard a social worker asking an asylum seeker which area they wanted to live, to my amazment the asylum seeker started to real of lists of areas where they did not want to live because they where to rough or in a poor area of the city,what really fcuked me up was the cheecky ba$tard was asking to be moved to an area next to where i live , i wouldnt mind but me and my family and neighbours work bloody hard for our property and to keep the area respectable.so if they are going to start moving asylum seekers in its time for me to move on and out,you only have to look at the areas they are in now to see how they have dragged the place down. now before you all say im racist, im not i have black ,indian and chinesse neighbours and friends and WE have all said the same. the country has gone to ruin
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02-09-2004, 08:26
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Many of them wants to work, make their own money and take care of their family.They dont want money from the social wellfare or some someone else to take care of them. Of course there is some of them that uses the system for their own purpuses, but there are also alot of swedis people that do that... About places to live. There is some areas here in stockholm that is only populated with foreigners. Kurds,iranian,arabs,africans....And they all live their own life in there. Some never learn to speak swedish, and only frequens their own places.. I think it sucks, because they will never have a chanse to come into the swedish society.But on the other hand, you cant decide where they should live either. We live in a democracy, and cant force people where they should live.Not even if they are seeking asylum... It is the rules that have to be changed, and that is up to the people to choose a governement that can clean the mess with asylumseekers.It is a hot subject to work with, and the racism stamp is always near when you talk about it as a problem. But you cant get pissed at "ethnic chums", they only do as they are told by the immigration.... My opinion now that the time is 03.36 in the night and i cant sleep....
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02-09-2004, 12:41
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Dawsey
You ever thought of using an umbrella company? Brooksons is one that will provide this service for you...at least give them a call.... I can provide details if you like though maybe you've looked at this and it doesn't apply to you.
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02-09-2004, 12:50
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Same same
In Belgium, you get punished if you work! Control all the time, they treat you like a criminal.
That's why I sold everything and live on their account now  I made myself a disabled person, and will live on the society, like the foreigners of my country! but ...I have payed more to the society, as they will pay me for the years to come! That is a big difference, I am getting it back!
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02-09-2004, 14:45
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Bloody bad luck Dawsey. I know exactly how you feel as the Revenue caned me a few years back with a bill for (deep breath) 56,000 quid! I had to sell my flat in London and now I could never afford to buy another one there. Now I get paid in the Middle East in a tax free country, so what I earn is what I keep.
The worst thing with the Revenue was when they sent my file to the bankruptcy enforcement division in Worthing. Most people you deal with at the Revenue are quite decent ordinary people but this lot are professionally trained to be cnuts. The guy who was on my case was called....Mister Savage!!!
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02-09-2004, 15:21
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02-09-2004, 17:35
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I feel bad 4 you & your'e family Dawsey , especially as you told them they are going already.
Tony Blair , don't get me started , i know change was needed after the tory goverment but i can safely say i have never voted labour and never will , tax ,tax and more fcukin tax ...that is their main real policy. You all know what you need to do , vote the cnuts out of power. It's not all bad though , perhaps you and you lovely wife could go into the porn business on the side , lots of money to be made there. ps..The winning lotto number for saturday are : 06 , 12 , 16 , 23 , 34 , 47
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02-09-2004, 19:38
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we live in bad times here in the uk. our chums who live on a little complex near me get new cars not second hand ones because they say they cant understand how the buses abd trains work and eveyone is unhelpfull. well at least i know where my hard earnt wages go.
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02-09-2004, 20:20
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THAT THE IRISH OR ENGLISH LOTTERY? JONNY 
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02-09-2004, 20:50
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02-09-2004, 21:06
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Sorry to hear that Dawsey. We have the same law in Norway. And it really stinks. It makes problem for some off my staff as well. But we have found a way to avoid it. I have 3 sef-employed staff, and they work only for me. The law in Norway say that they have to work for more than 2 different companys every 2 year. So what they do is: They are sending some bills to eachother on about the same value. That way none of them loose money, and suddenly they work for 3 different companies during the 2 year period. Im not shure if I understand right about your problem, but my advice is that you talk to a good accountent and ask if there is a way out of your dilemma. But offcause if the company you work for really want to make you a "normal employee" then I guess you are in big troubble. I hope you sort it out and find a way to make your holiday come thrue. Geir
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02-09-2004, 22:38
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its only the same as me landing at Bangkok airport and claiming asylum from president Blair,can you imagine how long i would last untill i was on the next flight back.(mind you its a thought) still all this talk of asylum makes me sound a racist which i am most definatley not.
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02-09-2004, 23:18
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No problem ETV.
I know what you and Mike mean. But how many english people uses the system ? Here in sweden there is quit a few that do it, but you only see the "foreigners"... The problem with this subject is, that whatever you saż, someone will call you racist....
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02-09-2004, 23:33
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simple vote BNP thats the only way things will change.I`ve just become a member and been to a few of there meetings there trying to shake off the racist image.Recently where i live they have won some seats on the local council and a torey counciler has defected to the BNP like they said at the last meeting we are becoming second class citizans in our own country if we dont make a stand soon we`ll be FU**ED....
I`m a plumber and regularly do work for a goverment based sceme where asians get grants for home improvments ie(new windows,central heating kitchens,bathrooms)bet non of you have ever had sombody knock on your door and ask if you want a 4000 pound kitchen fitting for nowt no me either pisses me right off when we go to the houses you dont see hardly any working they just sit on there fat arses talking in there own language while watching you work ignorant bas**rds... dont get me wrong i have worked in a few house where they have been great but the majority just take the piss..... anyway thats my 2 pence worth i could write about 600 posts about the scams they got going maybe another time.....
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03-09-2004, 03:30
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Today is a better day.I have managed to get a pay increase that will cover most of the money I will lose thanks to the Inland Revenue.
Many thanks for the sympathetic posts BB I dont think I qualify for making porn films I'm certainly not hung like a horse,but then again its big enough to fill a pram. The outcome though is that the trip is on.Now all I have to do is find a flight that is less than £550 via BKK next March,any ideas anyone.BTW all who posted re asylum seekers I do agree but its a fine line between standing up for what you believe in and being called a racist
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03-09-2004, 04:57
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