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19-11-2004, 23:23
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Wrap it up
After returning from LOS i was a little concerned about having caught a dose of something from a BG. So..went to hospital and got tested, and everything is fine. The woman there said that getting a BJ without a condom IS risky. I had always been under the impression that it was pretty safe, but it turns out it is not. So if you want to minimise the risk, wrap up all the time, and remember that the HIV rate for working girls in Thailand is around 70% in places.....think about it
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20-11-2004, 01:12
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70%--hiv infected b/girls!---CHRIST ON A BIKE!! ive been on various message boards,and all sorts of crazy claims are bandied about ,regarding the percentage of hiv infected b/gs there are in in los,if i thought that 70% of the women in bangla were hiv pos, i would keep away from all of them!,i wouldent even touch them with dudes ****!i think ill be getting a regular l/t b/g and get her tested at the clinic first !
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20-11-2004, 05:40
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http://www.avert.org/aidssoutheastasia.htm It doesn't say how many people in the sex industry are infected with HIV, but the estimated rate of HIV/AIDS victims at the end of 2003 says 570.000 which is 1,5% for the whole country. Among them are 200.000 women (15-49 years old). If people are put off now and want to cancel their holiday to Thailand I wouldn't recommend visiting and fooling around in countries like Botswana (37,3%) and Swaziland (38,8%), cause the rates there are absolutely shocking 
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20-11-2004, 05:42
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I think 70 percent is not to accurate. 10-15 percent has ībeen mention in earlier threads. I think the chances catching Hiv from not wearing condom while receiving ******* are very very slim. As long as you wrap up during intercourse I think you should be pretty safe from catching the Big One.
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21-11-2004, 12:34
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A Wee Bit Gullible?
If the rate of HIV in BGs was 70%, then they would be dropping like flies, and I don't think that even the Isaan families would be willing to lose 70% of their daughters for the bit of extra money they get working the bars.
 If it was easy to bet HIV from BJs, then the human race would be an endangered species by now!  Also, who made the nurse who told you this the authority on the subject? She knows you been screwing around with BGs, doesn't approve of your behavior and so she is trying to scare the beejeezus out of you!!!!  Do you believe everything that anybody tells you!  JayBee 
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21-11-2004, 19:15
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I do agree that the figure of 70% in Patong is probably wrong, however in other rural areas of Thailand, such as in the Chiang Mai region, large % of sex workers are infected...why?...because Thai man are not using condoms. Ok you may say well thats not Patong...but where do the BGs come from? The answer...poor rural areas of Thailand. So when they go home for low season how do they earn money?....i dont think they will be getting a part time office job. ....get the drift?
Figures on Bangkok, Pattaya, and Patong (BPP) are going to be very unreliaible and misleading due to the fact that the turnover of women is huge. Figures from the test places are also unreliable, as the % getting tested is small. And besides medical books are not worth the paper they are written. All they show is that the BG was not infected with HIV 3 months ago. Taking into account the number of times she has been subjected to risk since then, they are a waste of time. You can not go by the National figure of 1.5 %. We are dealing with sex workers who are getting F*cked everyday of the week. Even if they use a condom everyday of the week, you will all know they break from time to time. I am not trying to put people off. Its just best if people are aware Thailand still has a HIV problem. By doing so everyone can be carefull, and not take HIV back home, and infect people in our home countries. If you dont care about doing this then you are frankly filth. 
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21-11-2004, 19:51
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Thailand is one of the few countries in the world where HIV is decreasing. To think the most infected people are sex workers is not right. There are a lot of "non sex-workers" beeing infected in thailand because these people often don`t take care. ("Mai bpen lai") When the bg go home for low season they usually don`t work as prostitutions there. They don`t want to "show" people in their home area what they work. (Although it is well known in the most cases). The most of them do what they did before they "went to the bar". Work with family, in farm etc..... The medical books show at least that this girl takes care, understand? And, believe it or not, bg don`t want to die from HIV too.... But of course i agree everyone has to take care and use condoms. Otherwise you maybe have to die. Take care. Hugo
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21-11-2004, 20:11
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Something I recently read was that every one who gets pregnant gets a HIV screen as prenatal treatment here.. A survey of 18 - 35 year old women getting pregnant (surely the highest demographic on Phuket) were resulting in a 2.5% infection rate..
Many good points are being made especially the Thai / Bhuddist attitude of resignation to fate which is dangerous... Also Thailand went through a period of HIV education and condom use eductation that worked however HIV is again on the rise..
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21-11-2004, 20:27
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This topic keeps coming up every few months, and it's probably good that it does get discussed every now and then. But I have to add what I've said before - and this is something that an accredited AIDS expert told me; the likelihood of contracting HIV from a BJ - even if the person giving the BJ is already HIV positive - is next to nothing. You literally have more chance of being struck by lightning.
Thank God.
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21-11-2004, 20:33
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That was always my view Paddy. However a recent study in L.A. and London on the gay community showed a 5-7% transmission rate through oral sex. Its just a question of how carefull you willing to be
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21-11-2004, 20:42
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I read in one of those science magazine recently that a new HIV test kit will soon be available where a microchip will ****yse whether the HIV virus is contained in a swap of tissue sample taken from teeth gum. I believed it only costs US$15 too and the result is almost immediate since it doesn't require the HIV virus to reach a concentrated amount in order to be detected in chemical tests.
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21-11-2004, 21:03
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Mate, are you sure that figure doesn't refer to people who might have contracted it by giving someone oral sex, rather than receiving it? Obviously, it makes quite a difference!
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21-11-2004, 22:41
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Iīm sorry to say but i think we have to anyway in the bitter end cs//
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21-11-2004, 23:22
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Please quote any study that states this.. From what I have been informed unprotected vaginal sex has a Female to Male transmission ratio in the order of a part of a single %.. Studies conducted among gay men in the early 80's showed negligable oral transmission rates but the problem is those that give unprotected oral are usually engaging in other more dangerous forms of unprotected sex.. Anecdotal evidence is worthless... only real ****ysed data (without agenda's) is worth following.. Yes, a salavia based test kit is possible yet it has the same issues of looking for antibodies so has a 3 month lag time from contraction of the virus that the test _MAY_ give a false negative.. False negatives are obviously much more dangerous than a false positive especially as in those first couple of months / weeks when no antibodies are present, is one of the highest chances of contracting the virus from a carrier, bar once they are obviously sick (high viral loads and low CD4, essentially AIDs rather than HIV and at this stage people look unhealthy)..
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22-11-2004, 13:48
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I have read that the infection rate AMONG SEX WORKERS in Northern LOS is approx. 40% which is why I never went with a BG in Chiang Mai. However, even so, the rate among BGs would likely be much lower there also, because BGs are a very small percentage of the prostitutes there. Those that service farangs are highly paid compared to the others, who work in brothels where they service many Thai men every day. They low paid, many are Burmese, and the amount of sex they are having is probably 10 times as much as a BG.As said by Hugos the BGs who work Patong and Pattaya do not work as prostitutes in Isaan. There is simply not enough money to make there and they do not want to publicize the fact that they are ever prostitutes. They pretend that they are cocktail watiresses when they go to Patong, although most every body knows the truth, but everyone pretends that the truth is not true. So I agree that HIV is a problem in LOS and we all need to be careful, but just the same, there is no need to exaggerate the situation, either! JayBee P.S. DT, not trying to flame you, just honest disagreement on some of the "facts".
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22-11-2004, 14:34
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Hopefully. But maybe not this way. Sorry, my english is bad. Sometimes people don`t understand what i mean. Hugo
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23-11-2004, 13:48
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Your English is OK, Hugos. We understand it.  Crazy was just be his witty self!
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23-11-2004, 15:16
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Witty Self ?? Sorry JB i donīt understand that kind of english 55555555 Explain in other words pls. cs// ps. i understand stupid f**k and lineīs like that ... Hollywood you know hahaha
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24-11-2004, 15:06
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Witty means that it is easy for you to think of smart, funny things to reply when someone else says something. Often it is said that someone has a quick wit, which means that they say something good right away without hesitation after someone says someting to you. People usually like the guy with a quick wit. And it definitely helps you gt the girls(unless you are an asshole like you know who). Dirty Mike is a good example of somebody who had a quick wit!!!! IJ is pretty good at it too. JayBee JayBee
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24-11-2004, 16:33
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Oh Thanx Jaybee i understand and know what you mean now , have to add that some people think "You Talk To Much" when you come up with fast answers some time , not just being witty hehehheYou learn something new every day ... life isnīt to bad after all Thanx ! cs//
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