US, Israeli intelligence warn of bombings

[Hookey]

Originally Posted by dawsey

Andy
Thats a very bold statement to make.How many muslims do you know? Any at all.I think you would be very surprised by the way some of them are.I do not include terrorists.Anyway politics and religion should not be discussed on this forum IMHO.This is supposed to be about Phuket really.

I shared a house with a Palestinian at Uni. Him, and all his mates (with one exception) were arseholes to a man (and thieving bastards to boot). I've travelled all over the world and the only countries I've disliked have all been Moslem. I'm sure there are millions and millions of fine Moslems, but unfortunately I never seem to meet them...

[sugarboy]

Originally Posted by LivinLOS

Osama is from a (mostly) Saudi family.

The Iranains were the rival to the Saudi's.

The US did appear to have a hand in financing and encouraging the early years of the disent / disruption if not directly certainly via indirect means.

Osama's family excommunicated him years ago. But everyone seems to forget that. Most of his family (the royal Saudis) are good people compared with the monsters of the middle east. The US may have supported Afghanistan, but this is completely different from supporting Osama, because he was part of the Taliban, and the Taliban does not necessarily represent the majority of Afghan people (just as all radical religious muslim maniacs do not represent the majority of middle easterners). There is a huge difference between a terror group and the people of a country. Also, Russia invaded Afghanistan ... Russia was our enemy. Logically, it was the responsibility of the US to step in and help, even if it was through "indirect means." This wasn't the first time America and Russia engaged in such an involvement. Remember the Cuban missile crisis? Luckily, it ended safely, unlike the civil wars in Afghanistan.

It is no different from what happened to Kuwait in '90-91. Pretend there is a terror faction in Kuwait equal to the Taliban. Should that have stopped the US from getting Saddam out of Kuwait? Not at all. There are even terror factions in America, when you consider organizations such as the Michigan Militia, the Black Panthers, and people like Timothy McVeigh.

[LivinLOS]

However the fact still stands that Osama is origionally a Saudi.. The rivals at the time were Iranian.. America funded anti Iranian causes. This is unarguable fact. As to how friendly those nice Saudi's are, what happened to the embassy yesterday ?? How many 9/11 bombers were Saudi ?? Etc Just because the Bush family have massive and complex business relations with Saudi dont believe the propaganda.

Also the Taliban WERE the direct recipients of the US money, arms, and training into Afganistan during the period when they really started to gain power. Same as Saddam, they were fine when they were being used to fight the enemies of the US then they were Mujadaheen 'freedom fighters'.. As with Saddam using sarin gas while he was American sponsored (the world looked the other way) its ok to make your facts fit the curcumstances.

One little fact that no one seems to bother about.. While the Taliban were in place opium production was severly punished and to provide money (indirectly) to the new administration and allow local warlords to gain income the US have turned a blind eye to massive poppy growing and opium / heroin production. I am told by old associates that a K of smack anywhere along the route from Pakistan to Turkey to western Europe is now 1/2 to 2/3rds what it cost a few years ago while Taliban were controlling it and the volume of movement is far far higher now.

So while we are getting our reports of the success of various military actions and interferences (note I am not pro Taliban, my point is filter your media) there are many many untold variables directly effecting our lives that we are not told about and need to use a very fine radar to understand.