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31-03-2005, 17:36
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whats your thoughts about a girl?
hey guys,
as you all know, i have a girl, gail, i call her the pattaya princess. i just was with her for 3 days and everytime im with her, she blows me away. shes simply amazing. my concerns or thoughts, is that i ever was able to settle down, and hasnt happened yet im my 33 years, i feel she kinda too big time. what i mean, is that she has some serious sponsors, i presume. i honestly do not pay her a dime, i was just with her for 3 days and spent a total of 2600baht. she even tries to pay for drinks and things. now she took me to a bar on walking street in pattaya last night that she is buying. my thoughts are a girl like that will find it very hard to give up all those sponsors to stay with one guy. what are your thoughgts on a girl like this? i would love your opinions 
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31-03-2005, 18:07
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Enjoy the freebie you lucky devil. In pattaya soon myself, what was her number ?
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31-03-2005, 18:19
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every 1 thinks the same in the end if you give up every thing to be settled down
I don't think she would be able to .its happened to many good men a mate of mine had a angel in pattaya her names da think she from the classroom.turns out that shes been getting 30,000 a month not to work from another guy in the uk and shes been telling my mate there be together when he comes back the usual bg lies hes been giveing her 7000 a week when there together . at the end of the day would you turn down all that money if you was in there big high hilled shoes? ask your self that DARBS
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31-03-2005, 18:31
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My first wife was making >100k Euro's a year when I met her.. She walked away from it all over night for a normal life (as much as our Bonnie and clyde existance in Europe was normal).. I think no matter what the earning power or money they have they know a guy like yourself (involved in finance, US etc) is the key to a LONG TERM stable life.. Basically dude.. Your a catch
 !!! Then again what was it William Burroughs said ??? "Beware of Wh0res that dont want money.. What they mean is they want more money, much more money". No one can tell you mate.. Go with your heart.. Changing her life is relatively simple.. Relocation and throw the sim card away (watch the emails also).. If she really does love you and want to do it she will have to do that to secure your trust.. Its a small price to pay if thats what she really wants... Of course if you do that then you are obligated to give as much as you ask for.. Hence my reason why I really try not to ask for monogomy out of my long termers, just never quite works out that way as thier drives are different to ours..
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31-03-2005, 18:46
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Hi Marc, I have to go a little further with this to answer, if we are talking about you staying then anything is possible, if your talking about just talk ie "I want only you" then no way she's going to turn down that kind of money..why would she marc...you know the score. I would point out if she's getting a bar, then something is changing..at least in my eyes this changes things quite a bit for her, so as most things in thailand it just depends.... Guys, I know everyone has their horrid tales of mates getting the shltty end of the stick, but that's the same everywhere. I think that keeping your eyes open is the best advice, never turn a blind eye to anything or anyone. You do have to take into account that not every girl wants to remain shagging it out there for the money...some actually want a more normal life...it does happen. Marc as a friend I will give you a honest answer, I know plenty more will give you the big warnings. That's fine. But I know from hearing you talk about her that there is some strange connection that you have with this girl, if you want to see where it goes then do so...in the end this is the only way you will know the answer to the "what if" question that you will be stuck with if you don't try. Like I said, it depends..if your keeping with your plan to leave...then you have answered the question for yourself. Take care buddy...see you on the other side.
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31-03-2005, 22:29
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Paul, it is difficult to answer this. For me Thai girls are just a way to show me, life is not over.
Some of these girls can be quite cute, sometime difficult to let them go. As you know I had good connection with Tig, who is a good girl. But....if I were single, no way to take the big step with her or any other BG. These girls have been too long in a particular envirement, and although I am sure that some would make a good mother and spouse, for me NO WAY! Would you take a girl like this in the States? Guess not!!! You are well-educated, have earned quite some, because you had talent, I do not see a girl like this in your picture. You are also a guy that white women like.(well Nadia was found of you!) The bar-scene can be fun! I have had fantastic days, but again, this is not my view of a girl I would spend my life with. Proberly she had put some tricks on quiet some men, to have these sponsors! Maybe one day the trick will be on you! Now if you are so much in love with Thailand and you really want to stay in this country, there are many other options. Asian women are attractive,and BG's are the easy way to get your fun fast. But have you met regular Thai girls? Not all of them are Bg's, waitresses, in contact with the "farang" industry.... I have met some and a few I could easely fall in love with. The are higher educated girls out there, who would be as sweet as any Bg's, if you take the time! Some will not give you a fast "boomboom", but maybe a more furfilling relation in long term. You will have to search for them in other places then now! Anyway my opinion is this, those bg's can turn our head crazy so easely, that we forget and are too lazy for other options... Don't take my words too seriously and as the only truth... I am always happy, when a nice girl has the chance to get out of the bar and start a better life, but having met you, I wonder if this is the way to go... Hope I did not hurt your feelings, but this is my 5 cents...
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01-04-2005, 01:39
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To mark26
If she really liked you that much would she be buying a bar in pattaya. you see her only a few days at a time in pattaya but live in phuket / patong weeks and month's at a time. why does she not buy a bar in patong if she wants to be with you. maybe as you said she has a fair few big sponsors that like to see her in pattaya. Well it sounds like you can see her when ever you go to pattaya because you know she will be in her bar but you can visit patong without worrying about seeing her. unless you want to live in pattaya which by the why your travelling plan go you only spend a few days there just to see her but a long time in phuket. then we know where you heart is and it's not in pattaya. as everyone says there plenty more. baz
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01-04-2005, 13:46
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What Do You Want?
Hi Marc,
Sefton, Heywood, Tintin, and Baz all give you good advice, each in his own way, each seeing life from a different angle, but all good, true words spoken from the heart. I know that Sefton has met Gail, but I probably spent a little more time getting to know her. She is, without any question, an exceptional woman and I don't have to tell you that. You know what Ao has to offer and you know what Gail has to offer. Knowing you, unless I miss my guess, you ultimately want someone who is operating at a high level in terms of their personal dynamics and relationship to the rest of the world, and in terms of how they view the world. That is the thing about Gail, more than her looks, charm, and considerable energy that attracts you to her. You want someone who is not a pushover, and you know that. Even though Gail pursues you, it is not out of weakness, but out of her strength that she does so. You know that if you choose her, she will be a handful. But the man who is up to the challenge and can rise to the occasion, not once, not twice, but time and time again, for a lifetime, if you are lucky, (and I know that you are the kind of guy who is looking for a woman who is worth it for the long haul) will have himself a remarkable lady and an incredible relationship. The kind of relationship that marriage is, a truly successful marriage, is two people coming together to form something that is a entity unto itself, a merger of two beings into one unit in some strange, inexplicable way. It isn't easy to do. Most people fail to accomplish this, faltering somewhere along the way. It takes a lot of courage to even try it. Because so much is at risk. A lot more than dollars and cents. If you are up for the challenge, it will not be easy. Because I suspect that woman may be your equal, and she will test you. But if you can meet the challenge and pass the tests, then maybe it will bring out the best in you. I know you know what I'm talking about. Hey, now I sound like a BG-"I know you know" 55555!! Been hanging out in Patong too long!  My advice to you: take it one step at a time. That is the only way you get from where you are to where you want to be: one step at a time. If you find that you've made a mistake, then you can always backtrack or take a different path. But the journey begins with the first step. What do want in life? Up to you, big guy! JayBee  P.S. I wouldn't worry about the sponsors. That is the small picture, that is, ultimately, part of the big picture, but it is not the big picture. If and when it become an issue, then you deal with it when you get to that step along the way. Not something worth worrying about now.
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01-04-2005, 14:14
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thanks guys for all the advice.
#1, you will not see me marrying, a thai girl or western girl, in the near future. i waws just wondering your thoughts on this type of girl. # about gail, she would move to phuket in a minute if i asked her to, but thats not what i want. i actually read a letter, i know i shouldnt have, in her room, and at the end of the letter, the guy said he hopes her dream of moving to phuket comes through. i think the only way to make a bar work, is knowing people, and she knows everyone, from the police, to beauty girls, to tons of farangs, so i think her bar would do very well. again, i appreciate all your advice and you wont see me walking down the aisle anytime soon, was just trying to get some outside views
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01-04-2005, 14:28
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Marc26,
I am going to jump in here on the side of the BGs a bit, and IMHO I think you should give it a shot. I can tell you from personal experience relationships with BGs can and do work. It takes a lot of patience (on both sides), a lot of communication, and a good understanding of Thai culture. This is my spin on life with BGs: I could care less what anyone does or did for a living. We ALL have a past, and that is exactly what it is...the past. I feel it is all about who they are inside. To me BGs in general are wonderful, vibrant girls, who are great company and so full of life...hard NOT to be attracted to this. Indeed many are looking for a "normal and stable" relationship (remember, this is as they define it). Communication is key. If you want a relationship with her do not be afraid to ask her about sponsors or her plans for the future. Present it out of genuine interest and do not be confrontational or she will clam up immediately. I have found often when I ask a direct question, I do not get a response, don't press it. The answer will be forthcoming in a few days when she is good and ready to talk about it, and it will probably come out of the blue. I can not emphasize enough..communicate, communicate, communicate. Get inside her head and find out how she feels and what she thinks about life. If you are non-judgemental and display a genuine interest in what she has to say, she will be very forthcoming with you. This should tell you alot about what kind of person she is and her thought processes and you can decide if it is something you wish to pursue. The fact that she is shopping for a bar tells me she is ready for a lifestyle change. She no longer wants to be the worker bee, and is possibly looking for a bit more security out of life. Someone mentioned why wouldn't she buy a bar in Patong instead of Pattaya? She knows Pattaya, and most likely has no clue what your intentions are, just as you do not know hers. She is staying within her comfort zone. I am starting to ramble now...but in a nutshell....no one can answer this but you. Get inside her heart and mind and find out where she is at, then make a decision based on how you perceive you both feel. Nothing is guaranteed, but to use a well worn cliche....nothing ventured, nothing gained. I hope this helps a little....good luck!!
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01-04-2005, 20:37
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Beautiful words, MF. Great post. It is great to have a guy like you on the Board who is so open, non-judgemental, and willing to take chances in life. I get so tired of listening to all the cynics, even though I am guilty of being cynical at times myself.
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01-04-2005, 20:47
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Thanks Jaybee....I always speak how I feel, sometimes that's good, sometimes not so good. I should probably engage my brain before spouting off. You gotta remember I am an old codger, so some of what I say is life experience. This aint just a hat rack sitting on my shoulders....5555555 My entire life is taking chances. From my work all the way to my relationships. I guess I'm used to rolling the dice and accept what comes my way. This is another good arguement why I should keep my yap shut..55555
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01-04-2005, 21:35
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I agree jb..I get sick of hearing the easy lines of beng cynical...its a easy way to shrug off everything. I just noticed someone else post was removed, maybe it was moderated out...It was getting ready to start some more bs..glad to see it gone. Look, you guys that want to state the obvious...do you really think you need to? All of us that are here have been around the block once or twice..a few of us more than we can count...so why waste your time posting the obvious. Marc, I did not think you were asking about our ideas or opinions from a mariage perspective, frankly I don't think that ever crossed my mind...I thought you were asking in the sense is it a sensible act to try and have a regular relationship with her...I ask the question why not? let me see if I can break this down. Pro's 1. She Has a head for business. 2. She has a desire to be more than she is. 3. An Interesting life (possible) 4. Not living your life the "normal" way 5. Being with someone you can stand 6. Always can walk away..(not married) 7. Nothing to loose..time will go by no matter what you do. 8. If she makes you laugh...and can curl your toes..well nuff said. 9. Good Reason to remain in los. 10. Because you want to. Con's 1. This isn't happinging to me..55555 2. You would miss the snow 3. Sorry I'm comming up emty on this. I guess marc I just don't subscribe to the theory that some people have about some of these women. If you see a chance or opportinity in life to grab a bit of happines let go of the what if's and go for it, your a young man and can try anything without getting damaged beyond repair...no I wouldn't go and give anyone all of my money...but risking what's on the table just does not seem to add up enough to walk the other way.
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02-04-2005, 11:12
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Marc26 , we met at MTB and  Heywood - You have pointed out exactly same things I had to say Everything is up on You (I don't know how British people say, but in ours - I would like to be in Your skin)  if I could only start from some earlier time point 
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02-04-2005, 13:35
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see, i have no problem what so ever if a girl worked in a bar, mp, or anything. i dont judge. thats not my concern. my concern is with a particular type of tg that has been given so much money from guys that maybe in the end shed be not ready to give all that up, although a nice, one-man stable life is better, sometimes these girls dont think that way.
i have already made up my mind about this girl, shes a keeper, i was just wondering about your thoguhts. a big consideration i would have taking a tg back to the US, is how she would adapt. i know some girls would want back to thailand in a month and be so homesick. i could see this girl being a soccer mom in a year. and that would be a big factor
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02-04-2005, 14:30
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Would seem to me she is making an investment in HER . Spenda a little to have you thinking she is different and when you are feeling that way...then a family buffallo will trip over her dying grandmother falling on the neighbours children ... killing them...allyou need to do to help her is the the million baht to make it ok !!!!! I am cynical ...yes ... BUT !!!!!!
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02-04-2005, 14:45
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Well I think that Marc/Paul is smart enough to see what kind of girl she is.... I saw guys doing with sucess this kind of things, just like others, who didn't. I wouldn't mind about what she had been doing before as a job, but I would mind what that would have influenced her behaviour today Everybody his opinions and desires! These girls can be so tempting, because indeed they are full of life. Again, although I can undertstand the temptation, just for me they are a way to step out of the ordinary life for a moment, have sanook. Never to start a serious relationship. But I think Paul is right to do so if that is his desire
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02-04-2005, 15:05
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I know a few that have come over and they do not like being here, especially if the temp drops below 70F, the ones that are happier usually have most of their family and/or friends close by with whom they can party and speak Thai. Of course there are the exceptions to every rule, and I hope you met the exception. Just remember that there is a sort of pre-pre-nup type of agreement even if you are just living together to protect your assets from palimony which is outlined in this book "I Do, You Do...but Just Sign Here" by Weston, Scott N. I don't want to bring this down, but I also don't want any of my friends or BM's to have to experience the nightmare I did.
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02-04-2005, 16:19
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As to whether they like living in the west..
I met Kim and she was already living in Vienna for a few years prior to that.. However she really hated living back in the west and the winters were a nightmare for her.. We plugged into the Thai expat community through the local asian supermarket etc but that was a bit of a backfire.. She found that (in Holland) lot of the Thai girls were on the game in some form or another and very much backstabbing each other and 'I have this.. I have that" type attitude.. In the end she didnt socialize with them at all and made friends with my mates GF's etc.. Also we were really lucky that I didnt work normal hours and could have her with me a LOT of the time.. I travelled around and she would come with me around Europe.. Its hard to not enjoy blasting around Europe in a 911 or other sports car staying in Hotels and with friends, lots of partying in those years.. I know if I had been in a profession that involved getting up and leaving her in the AM not to return until evening she would have gone stir crazy.. Even as it was she was desperate for us to come and live back in Thailand and when the shit was hitting the fan and I had legal issues it made sense.. I think many Thais see us come on holiday and spend money without caring as much as we would back home and imagine life in the west to be 'the bold and the bueatiful' etc.. When the reality of looking after a home in the cold without family and friends around hits home it can be a shock..
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02-04-2005, 17:57
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Marc / Paul What sort of girl has possibly multiple sponsors and is seeing you on the side as her kick (boyfriend on the side) what does this say about her A good girl will have one sponsor and will be making plan |
