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29-05-2005, 13:15
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Then we do the same calculation. She told me, she gets 15 AUD per hour, will work ten hours per day, that means 150 AUD per day, with a six week workweek that means 900 AUD per week or 4000 AUD per month or 12000 AUD per 3 month visa stay. With some tips thatīs nearly 10.000 USD. Doeīsnīt matter if it is 8000 or 10000, but what I wanted to tell you is, that probably all this money is now going to the attorney. I have seen on internet, that attorneys charge about 150 USD per hour in Bangkok... 
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29-05-2005, 13:53
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Your numbers seem a bit extreme, LivinLOS! If a waitress is working in a classy restaurant, she could make $150 to $200 tip per night. In a nice restaurant that's just average-priced, I would expect tips to still be well over $100 per night. A couple weeks ago took the kids and the ex out to a reasonably priced Thai restaurant in SF. The tab was close to a $100 with a bottle of decent wine, so the tip wa $15.00 Our waitress ought to be making well over a hundred a night there, probably $150. When the tab came, I pulled out my credit card. Surprise, they don't take credit cards there! I had ample cash, so no problem. BTW, we had to wait at least 20 minutes to be seated, and another time we went there, there were so many waiting already that we gave it up and went elsewhere. So, $150 is a conservative estimate of what a waitress could pull in daily tips there, IMHO. The food was fantastic! Could a waitress, working in that restaurant, save $10,000 in three months. Since it is all cash, she could pocket the money and be gone back to LOS long before the tax man caught up with her. If she's a thrifty gal, she could cover all living expenses, and have $10,000 tucked away in her bag when she gets on the airplane, no problem! JayBee 
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29-05-2005, 14:08
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Sorry Jaybee but this is not the states I've lived in Australia and unless we are talking about silver service no one tips like that the point I was trying to make and it seems LIL is the only one who seems to even suspect something is up is that she probably wasn't working in a restaurant.
Which would then lead me to believe that the whole airport scenario is borderline suspect to say the least, I could be wrong but I usually have a fairly good instict on these sort of things. Also if she was working legally her tax would be automatically deducted there is no way around it if she was working under the table for cash that is a dfferent story then they would only pay 10-12 cash an hour which I doubt because it's to risky for a business if they get caught.
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29-05-2005, 14:29
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River got there before me... Oz pricing and tipping is not like Cali.. No where near..
With the many Oz members on here I am sure we will get some comments on the chances of a resurant worker making that ??? I am also thinking that she would be hard to get a work visa for Oz (tourist 90 day doable with a sponsor) so now she is looking for illegal black work with no social number.. Knowing from buddies of mine who had to do this you dont get good pay... Maybe if she had family there it could explain a special deal and free living and caccomodation.. Otherwise who sponsered her there.. Who looked after her there.. etc.. I am just pointing out that pretty much everything about this is sounding fishy.. Getting thrown in jail for leaving you bags outside the toilet.. I simply dont believe it.. I am not trying to badger anyone about it and I care not in the least what she does for her money but even coming back with 5k USD if she was self supporting and working as a waitress in Oz would be an achievement.. Mates of mine with trades who have done working stints there have been lucky to save anything..
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29-05-2005, 14:32
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I read the whole thread, and, yes, the possibility of a scam looms large here. And whenever a TG makes a tidy sum of cash in a farang country in 3 months, of course, the first thing you think is that she made it on her back and knees. But she is the guy's mia noi, so I'm trying to give her the benefit of the doubt. It is a bit of a stretch, I admit. In the example I gave, the cash is not traceable. It is tip handed to waitress in cash. It is not working under the table. Waitresses usually get $8.50 per hour in addition to the tips. From that sum, taxes are taken out. If a girl lives here, and is a waitress, then when she puts "waitress" on her tax return, then the govt. looks for a statement of how much she earned in tips, which she, of course, under-reports, but she must put something. If it is someone who only worked for 3 months, they not only would not owe anything, but if they bothered to file a return, they would get back all the money in taxes that they paid, plus probably get a payment from the govt. as a bonus because they did not make very much money. My daughter worked part-time last year, and got all her taxes paid back, plus an additional $410. BTW, tipping in the US is 15 to 20%. It is optional, but no self-respecting person tips less than 15% and some people think that is cheap. At the Dang restaurant on Rat-U-Thit where I went most days, I usually tipped 20%. Needless to say, I got great service! It was only that much because the tab was low. When a girl was eating with me, I tipped the same amount so then it was only 10%. But in the US, I would never tip 10%. I would be way too embarrassed. So, out of curiosity, how much do people tip in Australia? New Zealand? European countries? JayBee P.S. The 15% tip rule is for restaurants only, and only applies if the the order is taken at your table and food is served to your table. If it is counter service, then it is a smaller tip, and some don't tip. At bars, some of the younger people also adhere to the 15 to 20% standard, while others tips less or not at all. Most other types of services don't involve a tip.
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29-05-2005, 14:42
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in oz we tip anywhere bw 0 and 20%
it`s just not that big a deal and is earned rather than expected as in the states........ i`m a chef and i find it highly unlikely that that sort of money can be got as a waitress in oz,as an "escort" no problem.......... on the whole tipping thing in the states,it pisses me off as a customer that I must pay the wages of the waiters,in any other business is the customer required,expected and demanded to pay the wages directly?? I mean why be embarrassed to tip 10%,the bloody owner of the restaurant should be embarrassed to be paying thier staff 5-8 bucks an hour
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29-05-2005, 14:45
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This is Oz though not US...
Tipping and prices are not the same... You need to factor all that in.. Wages in Oz are about 60 - 70% of US I would guess and tipping is not done in the same amounts or way.. The chance of unskilled worker coming back from a jaunt in Oz with 10k USD after 3 months if they supported themselves would be so small as to be classed as impossible.. Then add in this odd thing about being arresed for leaving your bag outside the toilets and it all sounds very very odd to me..
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29-05-2005, 14:51
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If the service was outstanding and the food was really good 10% but it's not considered bad form to not leave a tip unlike the US where tipping goes to compensate the poor wage that waiters and waitresses get . The info. provided would lead me to believe she was working illegally, Australia does not hand out work permits easily and has a very strict immigration policy she could make $1000- $2000 AUD a week in the sex trade if she was highly attractive. BG's are also notoriously bad at saving money I knew a TG that worked here in a brothel making that sort of money and after one year she still had nothing apart from a very nice wardrobe.
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29-05-2005, 14:53
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on drugs and airports.............
it`s huge news over that scappelle corby got 20 years for having 4.1kg of dope in her bag......... the whole legal system is bizaare in indo probably same in los.. it`s guily until proven innocent whereas we are used to innocent until proven guilty...i don`t know all the facts but there seems to be heaps of "reasonable doubt".....on the same day at the same airport in sydney that her bag went through it is now proven that baggage handlers were guilty of receiving a shipment of cocaine.. there was a case here last week ,a girl was found to have grown 25 kg of dope and got 12 months community service.......... go figure
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29-05-2005, 15:01
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When you say between 0% and 20%, what do you mean? I mean, on the average, how much could a waitress expect to get? 5%.., 10%..., more..., less? When I was 20 yrs old and a lot more strapped for cash, my policy was 15% for good service, 10% for well below average service, and nothing if they really pissed me off and started an argument about something or were extremely rude and insulting, which happened occasionally. Eventually, I just came to see it as 15% almost no matter what, and 20% if the service is great. It's just easier that way. They're just working for a living and that's what they expect to get. Why make bad vibes? If they can make a good living in tips, then there is no reason why the owner should pay them more than necessary. He is in competition with other restaurants and would just have to raise prices if he had to pay his workers more. If I can't afford the tip, then I should be eating at a cheaper restaurant or go to McDonald's or Jack-in-the-Box. No tipping there!  JayBee
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29-05-2005, 15:10
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Thanks, River. You answered my question. I take it that it is the same in NZ. Makes perfect sense. It would be nice if it were that way here, but if it were, then I am afraid that people would just not tip. It is a little hard to understand how a waitress would not be upset, or think badly of you, if you didn't tip her.
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29-05-2005, 15:13
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Thats US...
Tipping in Europe (mainland) is very optional (except in higher end resurants) round up to the next 5 or 10 spot.. In UK its not a tipping culture... I think Oz is about the same as Europe.. Tipping some based on good service but a low or no tip is not considered rude.. The reason it creates bad vibes is people are having to work hard to gain tips and relying on variable rates of generosity.. The resturant pays min wage type lowest bottom dollar... Scrap the tip system and pay them a wage, people are not performing seals, if they do a job pay them for it.. In Thailand I dont tip a % really.. I tip from the notes and coins of my change.. A small gratuity of 20 - 50 baht is ample in a Thai resturant, in fact if I leave any more TGF's usually tell me to pick it up or do so themselves.. Tipping 20% on a <1000 baht meal in Thailand is not expected.. Also never really understood why tipping in one place (wendys) is expected and in another (other fast food) is not.. Dont jack in the box workers serve you also ??
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29-05-2005, 15:25
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The when in Rome rule would have to apply surely if you tipped 20% at home in the states doesn't mean you have to tip 20% anywhere else reminds me of the Japs just because they pay 10000 bht at home rule.
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29-05-2005, 15:32
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Hi Jaybee,
by nothing to 20% I meant that it depends on the food and service....... In oz a tip for being very well looked after,or just rounding of the bill for example if it costs $95 then just leave a hundred and walk out... "tip" is meant to reward above average service,in Los terms you may pay a bg 1000 baht and then because she was great you will be happy to give her another 500.....in the states the hospitality business is geared towards the customer paying the waiters wages....so I don`t blame an individual getting upset at not getting a tip, but imho it`s the whole "tipping " thing that is wrong, in oz if you have bad service and an ordinary meal you give no tip,which to me is fair,but in the states you still have or are expected to tip,why?? "I had lousy service" and the food was crap and you want me to give you extra........why? I know it`s different depending on what country you are in ,but the definition of "tip" is to give extra if you feel well looked after.... my exp in the states is you must always have dollar bills in your pocket,the doorman,the guy who carries your bags,the guy who hands you a towel in the toilet,the guy who gives you one of those shocking budweisers,the taxi.............i`m happy to be generous but I think it`s got the stage where there is way to much pressure to tip,who`s fault?? dunno.........
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There are still places in America where people get 20 years for getting caught with 10 lbs. of dope. But not if it's a cute girl with no prior arrest record whose parents can afford a good attorney. I don't think that there's anywhere in the US, where you would get off with community service for 4kg, let alone 25 kg. If it is over a lb. or so, then it's called possession with intent to sell, and that is a serious crime here. If it is a small amount, some places they give you a ticket, like a traffic ticket and you just send in the fine. But now with the marijuana clubs for medical marijuana, if you are really a big pot smoker, you just go to a doctor and tell him you have bad back or someting like that, and he gives you a prescription, and you can go buy it from your local pot club, which operates openly in S.F. I am told in some neighborhoods, there are a few on every block there. I asked my good friend Teresa last week, "How's your old BF Brian doing these days? Is he still scamming welfare payments for a "bad back," and fixing bicycles on the side?" She said, "No. He actually got a full-time job, and is maknig decent money!" "Really," I said, amazed almost to the point of disbelief, because I am thinking that he is not qualified for any decent job, having scammed for welfare payments nearly all his life. "So, what's he doing?" She said, "He got hired on as full-time marijuana consultant and quality control expert by a group of pot clubs in the city!" "Oh my God," I said, "I couldn't think of a better person for the job. He spent his life acquiring what I thought was useless knowledge, an utter waste of time. But how wrong I was! I doubt if there is anyone who is more of an expert on different kinds of marijuana." That was all this guy ever did, was smoke pot all day long, every day, and grow it on the sly. I thought, "It's kind of like in that movie, "The Natural" w/ Robt. Redford, where he had a dream to build a ball field in the middle of nowhere, and the voice tells him, "Build it and they will come." Brian acquired what seemed like useless expertise, but it was like a faith to him, and finally the dream job came to him! Life is sometimes truly stranger than fiction!  (Imagine that they are holding spliffs, instead of beer mugs in the smiley).  JayBee
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29-05-2005, 16:19
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When you are going to the Bangkok Hilton maybe you can talk to a guy from Holland, who is there for 8 years now. His (ex)girlfriend was caught with drugs and for reasons unknown to us falang he ended up in prison. Maybe he was involved, maybe not, who is to believe.. but my experience so far (4 years) with the Thai law/police/drugs can only be summed up like this:
avoid it like hell! Stay away as far as possible. If I was you I would run away quickly. Or do you want to have some stressfull years, spending a lot of money for a mia noi? My advice would be: spent that time on your mia (or divorce her) and just run away quickly from your mia noi. Besides, the Thais only can solve this case themselves. You would only makes this worse, especially for you.
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29-05-2005, 16:32
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[quote=Burg]When you are going to the Bangkok Hilton maybe you can talk to a guy from Holland, who is there for 8 years now. His (ex)girlfriend was caught with drugs and for reasons unknown to us falang he ended up in prison. QUOTE]
Good advice here, I have heard this story before and this kid was in a different part of Thailand when the ex got lifted. She mentions his name, he gets banged up. If your gf is in prison in Thailand, and your name is in the conversation somewhere, you may want to tread very carefully before you get on a plane and go there.
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29-05-2005, 16:32
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Heres a true love story...
Brit guy with TG, both party heads and into the house and E scene.. She decides she wants to bring back some E's from the UK (100 - 150 baht to 800) despite the risk he doesnt want her too but its up to her.. She gets 200 pills.. They fly to BKK and going through customs get pulled.. In the confusion it ends up being called his bag (they were dual packed both thier stuff in each other bags as couples often are).. So he gets busted with her drugs, looks like he is going to do 5 - 8 years (light sentane considering Thailand)... He keeps his mouth shut and decides to take the rap cause he loves her.. So he is inside, she is out, trying to get him out.. All plans fail so before the court while he has only been in for 10 days to 2 weeks she makes a full confession and claims them as totally her own and not his.. Lawyer negotiates and he is sprung for a small fee and she does the bird... I happend to think that despite thier stupidity that was pretty sweet..
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29-05-2005, 16:38
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Seems like good advice to me. She is Thai and speaks the language and knows the customs. If she can't find a way out of it with her $10,000 to help her, then what chance have you got? If drugs were involved, then there is always the chance that because you are her BF, that they might decide that you must somehow be involved, and arrest you. That may seem a bit far-fetched, but strange things can happen! BTW, isn't it illegal to bring $10,000 of undeclared currency into the country? Was she carrying the cash in her bags?
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This just doesn't seem to add up. Assuming the girl in question did fly back from Australia and didn't want to use the toilet on the plane,
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1. If she used the toilet as soon as she got off the plane, she would not have had lots of luggage to contend with, only hand luggage hence nothing to leave outside the toilet. 2. Maybe she didn't visit the toilet straight away, but instead waited until she had picked her suitcase off the carousel in Baggage Reclaim. If this was the case, then the toilets there have plenty of room and you can take a case inside without any problem at all. I've seen people with trolleys go inside them !! 3. She might have waited until after customs and then looked for a toilet once in the arrivals hall, but surely no-one who is that desperate to pee will wait that long ?? These descrepancies, along with all the others that have already been pointed out only seem to point to 2 possibilities. 1. The whole truth is not being told here and that there is probably something very serious going down here. If it was just a case of spending 2 weeks in prison for leaving a case outside a toilet, then why even tell you ?? She would be out before you got over to LOS and you would be none the wiser. 2. It's a scam, but not to extract money from you, just a very flimsy attempt to stop you from going to LOS or even if you did, from seeing her. This would tie in with why it is so difficult for you to find out what is going on. Bottom line, she might have realised that she has 2 farang boyfriends in town at the same time, or else has found someone else and doesn't want to see you at the moment. It does appear to be a very strange situation. Good luck, but be careful. Diz
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