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30-05-2005, 17:09
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aids and phuket
Ok I expect to get jump on heavily here,but here goes.
I am having second thoughts about coming to Phuket after reading a few threads on std's and aids, I guess I just brushed it off before now, but it seems that most BM's had at some time had unprotected sex with a BG and nearly all have caught some vd at one point or another, no one admits to being hiv positive (maybe self denial not getting tested etc) but it surely must be the case given the high infection rate in Thailand especially among sex workers. The threads about girls just slipping it in and waking with her riding you just seem over the top. Don't get me wrong I am not judging you guys, BUT I think perhaps coming to Phuket for cheap sex might just be the worst decision I could make in my life. Does anyone else worry about this? Thai sex workers apparently have one of the highest infection rates in the world not only for general std's but also hiv. Please dont flame me, perhaps reasure me? pehaps tell me to **** off? I am just questioning if the risk is worth it. Sure I know were all gonna die someday but why put a loaded gun to ones head, it seems to me if I sleep with 10 girls on my trip at least 1 if not more are gonna be hiv positive, I dont like those odds. 
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#2
30-05-2005, 17:19
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Well it all depends on why you want to come to Phuket- if, as you say it is to have sex with ten different girls, and you don't think you have the self control to cover up then there is a risk of an STD? Even if you cover up you are not entirely safe, are you. There is a lot more to Phuket than oodles of easy lays.
Touch wood I only got an STD once, and it wasn't in Phuket. Yes there is a risk, and its up to you to mitigate those risks, but not coming to Phuket seems to me to be a severe mitigation.
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30-05-2005, 17:27
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the problem is if I come to Phuket I know 10 girls would be the absolute minimum I would sleep with, 8 days ( 1 a day plus a double or 2)
 I do have the self control not to bareback but even so I am worried, I guess the thing is there are many other places in the world I could visit, and sleep with girls (sure its gonna cost more) why choose one of the worlds hiv hot spots? I am conflicted and confused
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30-05-2005, 17:28
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I am one of those BMs that slipped up on numerous occasions with a lot of different girls even though I tell myself all the time how stupid it is, It happens, Honestly though I have not caught anything in Los off the BGs (But I have caught std's here in Ireland  But thats another story). And I get checked all the time by the way(On first name terms in the clinic), But maybe I was lucky, Because I do know of other BMs who have caught STDs in Los like Gonnerea, Clyamedia and Herpes/Warts... You can catch them anywhere though but the risk is higher obviously with girls who have unprotected sex with different partners all the time!!Im not going to lie, Of course its a risk but if your careful and not stupid like me and some other BMs then you will be ok, But if you are really worrying about this so much, Well then maybe coming to Los to fu*k BGs is not for you and your better off staying well away from them. You can always still come to los and have great fun without fu*king BGs and there's a lot more to Los then that, But as the BGs say "Up2You" 
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30-05-2005, 17:37
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you dont have to actually fcuk the b/.g,you can get a b/j or a happy massage as an alernative,if u want full sex
just use a good quality condom from your own country ,and dont go at it hammer and tongs ,thus reducing the chance of it breaking and there wont be a problem
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30-05-2005, 17:41
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Then make sure you rubber up.. problem solved
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Very not true... General population rates about 2 - 2.5%.. Compared to Some areas of Africa with 38% infection rates.. Quote your sources and I will dig through and quote specifics..
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30-05-2005, 17:57
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Hi planter are you refering to a couple of recent news wires??.. I've seen on a couple of other thai message boards that board members there have posted links to news wires about Phuket now having one the highest rates of HIV out of al the provinces in all of LOS and it is predominantly concentrated by the number of bg's that have tested positve.
I'll try and dig up the thread
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30-05-2005, 17:59
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I think that LivinLOS is correct. The highest infection rates in the world is definetly in the Africa region - no doubt about that.
However, if you plan to go on vacation to have unprotected sex with prostitues I dont really think it matters which part of the world you do it in. It is still a gamble - granted the odds of getting something is higher in certain parts of the world, but I personally wouldnt cancel my trip to Phuket because of this. The best thing is of course to cover up, but that can be difficult at times - no doubt about that. I would not bareback 8-10 girls in LOS but I wouldnt do that anywhere in the world to be honest. Last edited by Hep : 30-05-2005 at 18:00. Reason: Oops.. need a spell checker :P
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30-05-2005, 18:00
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Agreed here; HIV rates are not that high and everything in life carries a risk.
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30-05-2005, 18:01
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Sometimes I am suprised they do not all have hiv. and yes it is a big concern..
2%, 5%, 20-30%, it doesn't matter. You only need to have one to caught the disease. Always put your hat on and normally you will be safe! Don't do too much oral to a bg, because it has been proven, according to sxeygirl that the hiv-variation in Thailand is more concentrated in the fluids of the girl!
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30-05-2005, 18:02
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"I will dig through and quote specifics.."
Hi LivinLos.. It would be interesting to see the acutal figures, of BGs with STDs...if you do have them easily at hand. I just wonder how accurate any statistics in this area could ever be?
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30-05-2005, 18:07
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Hazarding a guess i would say any statistics would be understated hence the reason to "keep it safe"
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30-05-2005, 18:39
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Pre natal screening of 18 - 30 (??) or 35 year old women on Phuket which is surely the highest demographic (or at least the one we care about) was a 2.5 or 2.9% infection rate..
Linked it multiple times in the past.. Evidence of oral contraction is very thin on the ground.. Many researchers state that unprotected oral (giver to female) is considered low risk / negligable risk..
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30-05-2005, 18:52
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This topic comes up from time to time, and I dont believe that, as has been proved by LIL's post above, that Patong is any worse than alot of the other P4P scenes around the world, in fact it is probably safer.
Having said that, doesnt matter where you are, you should always practise safe sex, but that is easier said then done with a gut full of piss.
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30-05-2005, 19:24
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Loads more things to do in Thailand other than the BG scene although I couldn't go the lent of my holiday without sex.
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30-05-2005, 19:32
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I saw something of Phuket being one of 10 provinces with high rates.
The truth is, many of them are males catering to the gay scene. Some of them are also like to fcuk around with the girls as they are popular to the girls too. (Young handsome boys) Another tip, if you plan to stay with a girl for a while, bring her to a clinic and both of you do a test and thus minimize the risk even more. Quote:
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31-05-2005, 22:24
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I still wonder how representative of BGs this general rate would be? The above is an across the board rate – the rate for BGs must be higher as the above figure includes women in monogamous/lower risk relationships, who are less likely to be infected than a BG…It is BG figure that is of importance to the BMs - not a figure that is representative of a wider population to which BMs have no sexual contact. Has anyone seen a BG infection percentage? Even if 2.5% - that could be considered high…Excuse me for playing around with numbers, but 2.5% is one-in-forty. Supposing the average BM sleeps with 20 BGs (just a guess - maybe way off!) then half of us has sleept with someone with HIV. If the infection rate is 2.9%, then the majority of BMs have slept with someone with HIV! (it the average BM sleeps with 20 BGs ) The importance of tarping up becomes apparent! Makes me wonder what risk we are prepared to take with such things…I’ll ask that in POLLS & SURVEYS….
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01-06-2005, 12:33
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As many have already said, one cannot avoid
risk. Period.
Even condoms can, and often do, break. Even if you're not pissed up, you may well not notice if the johnny breaks, although I know I would. Weigh your individual tolerence for risk, then make your decision.
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01-06-2005, 14:39
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In addition to your tolerance for risk, you ought to consider your tolerance for fear. Because if you do slip up and have unprotected intercourse even once, or you have a condom break, or you may be concered about unprotected oral sex, then the fear that you could experience after you get back to your home, while waiting until you can be tested, which is three months or more, can be devastating!
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#21
01-06-2005, 23:58
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always cover up as everyone else is saying. I had a friend who went to the Philippines for the first time and had unprotected sex with multiple partners and got gonorrhea. We were able to figure out who he had caught it from, told her to get tested, and she came up positive. Another friend had been with her around the same time but did not catch anything as he was always protected. Having your girl tested will at least calm your fears about most STD's but HIV testing takes 3 months like a few of the members have mentioned and in that time that the test will take she could have picked it up from another BM. I was with a girl in the PI for 8 nights and was always protected for intercourse but got a chlamydia infection in my eye when, at the end of my trip, she was sad and crying and I wiped away some of her tears and was crying also and must have infected my eye when I wiped the tears out of my eye. It was easily treated once I found a doctor who knew what he was doing and the infection went away in less than a week. I also have another friend who spends 3 months a year in the PI and has about 6 girls that he goes with during that time and he has never had a problem in 10 years. He is married and has to be very careful but he has never thought about not going with a BG while he is away from his wife.
The drunker that you are the more careful you should be as it is always easy to say "let it ride" or "it takes too much effort" or "it dulls the pleasure" as an excuse. The more partners that you have the more risk you are at. Just stay smart and protect yourself and have a great time. Don't let some statistics scare you into missing the vacation of a lifetime. Also, you can get most anti-biotics and other cures for most STD's over the counter in Thailand and the PI for a very cheap price compared to the US and Europe so buy some if you have any worries and get tested when you get home. If something pops up, you have the cure at a fraction of the normal cost and better safe than sorry. Yes, I know that will not work for HIV but it will for almost everything else. Find out from the bar owners who are their new girls and that might help minimize the problem also.
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02-06-2005, 00:31
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also, put on a pair of shorts when you are ready to fall asleep so that you don't wake up with a BG or FL riding you bareback if you are worried about that. It will be hard for them to get your shorts off without waking you up unless you are super mao and dead to the world unconscious.
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02-06-2005, 13:09
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Seafox, can you aswer a question for me? On a thread a month or so ago, a BM name of Big Al put forth the statement that if you catch a STD from a BG who is HIV+ , then it is 99% sure that you have got HIV from her, as well. Therefore, the question is "Did your friend get HIV?" What do you know? Has he been tested? What has he told you about it? I know that having or catching an STD does raise your susceptability to catching HIV, but 99% seemed like an awfully high percentage. That makes it almost a certainty that if you went with a HIV+ BG, and caught anything at all, that then you would get HIV. JayBee 
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02-06-2005, 14:39
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99% was one of those stats made up on the spur...
I have said it before I know a couple who had unprotected sex for 4 years with her HIV+ and he was still free... An@l oral and vag.. 4 years daily screwing.. Though the docs said that it is possible he has an amazing immunie system and that it seems like some people are actually naturally HIV immune or at least highly defencsive.. There are cases of African prostitutes where local infection rates are in the 30 - 40% range never using condoms for years and year and still being HIV free.. Seem unable to catch it.. The guy concerned back in Euro had a battery of tests and samples taken sent for study and record to specialist research centers due to his ability to resist infection..
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