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I definitively know now that TG, BG or not, are only looking for money, although they speak about love... her best friend told me that today.
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A lot of them, especially from the bar scene, yes. But not all TG. I can prove it.
I think the best way to start off is with closed purses. No money trading whatsoever. Just don't give her money! Only then you can/will experience if she REALLY likes you and wants to be with you because of what you AM.
I know they want to study (=buy a new Nokia), mother is in the hospital (they don't even have a hospital in Roi Et) and they need a new computer but DON'T give her any money. If after six months, she's still with you, you can start to buy little things.
Of course this doesn't help you, your heart is broken, maybe she went with the other man because he gives money.. who knows??
Try to coop with it, forget her, if she does this to you, is she worth a tear?
If you come to live in Phuket, Domi, stay out of the barscene world if you want to find a girl. There are a lot of nice girls outside, just don't give them any money!
Hope that helps with the next, who is sure to come, maybe quicker as you expected.
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Actually, I don't think she lost her job... she only lost face because many people in the hotel office know about this email..
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I don't think so either. 99% she is still working there. And lose face? No, why? They probably jiggle a little bit and after 10 secs the discussion is already about the high gasoline prices.
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many of these girls are excellent actors... flesh and blood i still am.
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They are. I admire your strength, quite strong for a man from 94 ;-)
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But when we are drunk, then we do, say, and write things that we don't really mean.
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eeuuhh... correction. When we are drunk we say exactly the truth, but in most cases that thruth is too much for people to handle.
As we say in Holland:
Only children and drunks speak the thruth.
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Correctly translated, she wants to have a good time with you tonight. Wrong number (this SMS was mend for someone else)? I doubt it.
She is playing games with you, trying to hit your weak spots which are incredibly weak right now. And she knows that.
Time to move on Domi, leave her behind, a very happy time lies in front of you!
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You are right Burg, thanks... Time to leave her behind me and to find a faithful and honest girl.
I will move to Phuket, probably in the area ok Rawai - Chalong or Kathu. Hope we will have a drink together one night 
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I wish you the best of luck - it can't have been an easy couple of days.
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Why do that?
If you can post a thoughtful thread like this and actually mean what you say why stoop to giving sh!t?
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Hi Domi.
I have the problem with my ex-gf at the moment we have been together for 2 years but just some days before my first trip to Patong in june i found out that she was seeing someone else and she was supose to go with me to Patong for holiday but i went alone
And now she send my sms everyday saying that she is sorry but also at the same time sometimes i get sms she was supose to send to her new bf,i really think she just do that to piss me off (and she really does) i know its crazy but she can really make me so angry still.
And if she was a bargirl i could understand her but she is not she have her own good buisness but its in Pattaya and i have been to Pattaya ,many many times before and allways enjoyed myself there but now i start to hat the f...... place and thats no good
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Hi Domi.
I have the problem with my ex-gf at the moment we have been together for 2 years but just some days before my first trip to Patong in june i found out that she was seeing someone else and she was supose to go with me to Patong for holiday but i went alone
And now she send my sms everyday saying that she is sorry but also at the same time sometimes i get sms she was supose to send to her new bf,i really think she just do that to piss me off (and she really does) i know its crazy but she can really make me so angry still.
And if she was a bargirl i could understand her but she is not she have her own good buisness but its in Pattaya and i have been to Pattaya ,many many times before and allways enjoyed myself there but now i start to hat the f...... place and thats no good
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Hi jesper,
I know that many of us have had broken heart with TG. Personally, 2 bad experiences with BG's but I didn't think it would happen with a "normal" TG as she looked shy and really honest.
I realize now that I forgot the Thai priorities :
1. family
2. money
3. love
So, if she needed money, she has never hesitated to take another sponsor.
As one of her friend told me, kate wants love AND money... and she couldn't wait  .
She told me she had bought a car a few time ago, so I asked her how she did to pay for it as it was more than her own salary... She said that she borrowed money to her parents and brothers... Now I guess I know where the car comes from 
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I realize now that I forgot the Thai priorities :
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So, if she needed money, she has never hesitated to take another sponsor.
As one of her friend told me, kate wants love AND money.
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Reminds me of one night in Chiang Mai that I spent drinking w/ my then GF's GF. We got a little pissed while my GF drank soda pops. Then her GF starts telling me her sob story about her BF, and pulls out some letters. It seems she wanted him(an aussie) to send her money. so she could get a proper ID, which cost some money(I think she wanted 20K Baht, IIRC). He wasn't readily forthcoming with the money, and questioned if she loved him. She said to me, "I don't care about money. I really love him. The money is not important. If only he would love me as I love him, then I would be so happy!" So after I went through the letters with her, and discussed it, I thought it was all a big misunderstanding.
I thought it was all a lack of clear communication caused by the language barrier, and offered to help her write a letter to him. I told her that she needed to write him and explain how she felt, that the money wasn't important to her, that she loved him, and if he doesn't send the money, then that doesn't matter, since it is the love that matters. I was somewhat blown away by her response.
She said, "No. I can't do that!" But why not, says I. "Because if he does not send me the money, then it proves to me that he doesn't really love me. He is breaking my heart, because I love him so much, but if he doesn't love me, then it is no good, and I don't want to see him again, because when he says he loves me, he is lying, and it hurts me too much. The money is not a lot of money to him. It is only a little bit. If he really loved me, then he would be glad that he was able to help me. The fact that he is not willing to help me is the proof that he doesn't really love me. Who would not help out a person they really loved? Anybody who loved another person would be happy that they could help the one they loved. So he can not love me, and he only talks about love, but does not really mean it. And I love him so much, how can he hurt me so much. He must be a very mean person, and does not love me at all!"
I did not understand any of this sort of thing then. Sometimes it still baffles me. Even though her logic seemed very upside down to my Western ways of thinking about love and money, after I thought about it for a while, it did make sense in that Eastern way of thinking. I do believe that she really was sincere, and we were both a bit drunk when she told me this, and asked nothing of me, and was not trying to get my sympathy, or get me interested in her, as her best friend was my GF. She had no reason to lie to me, since I didn't know her BF, and never would know him. She was fighting back the tears when she told me her sad story of what she saw as her tale of "unrequited love." But his letters made complete sense to me, as a Westerner, when I read them, and he noted that he had already sent her money for a number of other things.
So it seems that for many TGs, they do not understand how we can separate love from money. That way of thinking just seems like a load of "bullshit" to them. The way they see it, it is a clear case of "Talk is cheap," and "Put your money where your mouth is!" and "Money talks, bullshit walks!" Those are all expressions that I grew up with, and that seems to be the way they think. It is easy to speak words of love, because talk is cheap. When you back up the talk with hard cash, then they know it is real. But how do we know if they are being real? That is the problem.
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These girls are capable of love, just like many of us are. I believe the fact that they need certain monetary value as a collateral to prove our affection to them is simply the only way they recognize that our feelings toward them are sincere, so that they could distinguish a “customer” from a “potential boyfriend”.
Money to them is extremely important, even when they say it’s not, and I think they use it to evaluate and measure most relationships with the opposite sex, especially a farang. From their perspective they need some sort of guarantee from us, and if we could not provide at least a minimum of guarantee, they would feel that they have no choice but to find the next man who could provide that guarantee.
Certainly there are many girls who are playing the field, just like the men they encounter, going from one to the next, which are not that much different. Nonetheless I think there are also many girls who had really fell for a guy, and yet because of our difference in approaching the relationship, to establish a mutual trust becomes extremely difficult.
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Sorry to hear that Domi.......as you know I finished with my girlfriend for 2 years about 2 weeks ago. It hurts right away, but as time goes by and you find out the truth about her, its easy to get over it. I was looking for the contract for my bar the other day and guess what.....I found a copy of an e-mail from her x-boyfriend dated 5th of June....no heavy stuff.....but a sign that they have been in touch for a while.....actually it made me laugh, and like others have said....it makes it easyer to forget about her. I talked to her yesterday face to face, and I noticed that I felt nothing..........
So go on with your life Domi, and just forget about her 
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as you know I finished with my girlfriend for 2 years about 2 weeks ago. It hurts right away, but as time goes by and you find out the truth about her, its easy to get over it. I was looking for the contract for my bar the other day and guess what.....I found a copy of an e-mail from her x-boyfriend dated 5th of June....no heavy stuff.....but a sign that they have been in touch for a while.....actually it made me laugh, and like others have said....it makes it easyer to forget about her. I talked to her yesterday face to face, and I noticed that I felt nothing..........
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I was sorry to hear that things didn't work out for you with your GF, Geir.  I thought she seemed like a real nice girl, who had a good head on her shoulders. But I guess I was wrong. Because if she let you get away, then she must be a real fool!!
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Thanks for the wishes. I also think I'm pretty lucky.
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Well, here is my take on it.
As you get older you learn a lot of lessons but for me the most important one is that "every day is a good day, some are just better than others"
Been married a couple of times, have great kids that totally support me and 1 ex-wife that I am good friends with plus one I hate with a passion.
I really love my Teerak but if it all turns to sh1t I'll just go fishing again. You need to have other interests and goals in your life.
If you base everything around your girlfriend/wife you will be devasted if it goes pear shaped. You will probably never trust her 100% either. I think LIL has a great attitude and I admire his outlook on life. However, a lot of us older guys are looking for a bit more in a relationship but bear in mind that there are other things in life that makes it worthwhile. Friends, family, work, hobbies, helping others etc. Just having a piece of candy on your arm is ok for a while but there are a lot of hours in the day to fill in.
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Well, here is my take on it.
As you get older you learn a lot of lessons but for me the most important one is that "every day is a good day, some are just better than others"
Been married a couple of times, have great kids that totally support me and 1 ex-wife that I am good friends with plus one I hate with a passion.
I really love my Teerak but if it all turns to sh1t I'll just go fishing again. You need to have other interests and goals in your life.
If you base everything around your girlfriend/wife you will be devasted if it goes pear shaped. You will probably never trust her 100% either. I think LIL has a great attitude and I admire his outlook on life. However, a lot of us older guys are looking for a bit more in a relationship but bear in mind that there are other things in life that makes it worthwhile. Friends, family, work, hobbies, helping others etc. Just having a piece of candy on your arm is ok for a while but there are a lot of hours in the day to fill in.
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Reminds me of one night in Chiang Mai that I spent drinking w/ my then GF's GF. We got a little pissed while my GF drank soda pops. Then her GF starts telling me her sob story about her BF, and pulls out some letters. It seems she wanted him(an aussie) to send her money. so she could get a proper ID, which cost some money(I think she wanted 20K Baht, IIRC). He wasn't readily forthcoming with the money, and questioned if she loved him. She said to me, "I don't care about money. I really love him. The money is not important. If only he would love me as I love him, then I would be so happy!" So after I went through the letters with her, and discussed it, I thought it was all a big misunderstanding.
I thought it was all a lack of clear communication caused by the language barrier, and offered to help her write a letter to him. I told her that she needed to write him and explain how she felt, that the money wasn't important to her, that she loved him, and if he doesn't send the money, then that doesn't matter, since it is the love that matters. I was somewhat blown away by her response.
She said, "No. I can't do that!" But why not, says I. "Because if he does not send me the money, then it proves to me that he doesn't really love me. He is breaking my heart, because I love him so much, but if he doesn't love me, then it is no good, and I don't want to see him again, because when he says he loves me, he is lying, and it hurts me too much. The money is not a lot of money to him. It is only a little bit. If he really loved me, then he would be glad that he was able to help me. The fact that he is not willing to help me is the proof that he doesn't really love me. Who would not help out a person they really loved? Anybody who loved another person would be happy that they could help the one they loved. So he can not love me, and he only talks about love, but does not really mean it. And I love him so much, how can he hurt me so much. He must be a very mean person, and does not love me at all!"
I did not understand any of this sort of thing then. Sometimes it still baffles me. Even though her logic seemed very upside down to my Western ways of thinking about love and money, after I thought about it for a while, it did make sense in that Eastern way of thinking. I do believe that she really was sincere, and we were both a bit drunk when she told me this, and asked nothing of me, and was not trying to get my sympathy, or get me interested in her, as her best friend was my GF. She had no reason to lie to me, since I didn't know her BF, and never would know him. She was fighting back the tears when she told me her sad story of what she saw as her tale of "unrequited love." But his letters made complete sense to me, as a Westerner, when I read them, and he noted that he had already sent her money for a number of other things.
So it seems that for many TGs, they do not understand how we can separate love from money. That way of thinking just seems like a load of "bullshit" to them. The way they see it, it is a clear case of "Talk is cheap," and "Put your money where your mouth is!" and "Money talks, bullshit walks!" Those are all expressions that I grew up with, and that seems to be the way they think. It is easy to speak words of love, because talk is cheap. When you back up the talk with hard cash, then they know it is real. But how do we know if they are being real? That is the problem.
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Very good post Jaybee. It sounds so true. I sent money my ex TGF every month till May, then I explained that I didn't want to mix love and money because I wanted to be sure of her feelings (at least, now, i know  ). As the girl you met, she told it was not a problem, she didn't want me for money.... I guess it is almost the same story than you relate here.
I think the only way to maintain a good relationship with a TG is by living in LOS with her or by sponsoring her from abroad.
Definitively another culture 
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Sorry to hear that Domi.......as you know I finished with my girlfriend for 2 years about 2 weeks ago. It hurts right away, but as time goes by and you find out the truth about her, its easy to get over it. I was looking for the contract for my bar the other day and guess what.....I found a copy of an e-mail from her x-boyfriend dated 5th of June....no heavy stuff.....but a sign that they have been in touch for a while.....actually it made me laugh, and like others have said....it makes it easyer to forget about her. I talked to her yesterday face to face, and I noticed that I felt nothing..........
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Hi Geir,
sorry for you as well. You have lived with her for 2 years so it is worst again.
At least, after 2 weeks, you seem to feel better and you are probably ready for a new relationship with a better girl.
So many stories like ours posted on the board... more I think about it, more I have this thought : It is easier to find a girl in LOS than in our western countries, but probably more difficult to find the right one. Anyway, I stay hopeful 
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Hi guys,
Being the product of a Thai Woman/White man relationship, I thought I'd give my opinion.
My parents relationship is a bit different to a lot of ppls here. My parents met while my mother was at university in England.
My mother admitted to me that she would never have gone for a white guy if she met him in Thailand for reasons stated in this article.
http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/Reader/reader1844.htm
As a white man in Thailand you're seen as walking "€$", you are more likely to attract the attention of a certain type of women (gold diggers) at first.
My mother to this day is still a bit uneasy about appearing in public with me in Thailand just incase people think she used to be a bargirl and I'm the product of her career.
So there are decent women in Thailand but just be careful who you're with.
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Very interesting article Mim - thanks for the post - although I still think its hard to tell what 'any' woman wants or thinks most of the time.
I have sent money to my bg/gf even tho I always said I wouldn't, however in some way the logic is true - the amount of money I sent was very little for me...!!!!!! - time will tell whether anything works out here.
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