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17-07-2006, 23:03
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whats your thoughts on middle east?
im just trying to get a handle on this whole thing?
what are your thoughts? i dont know if this is just an american looking from the outside, but does it seem trigger happy to you? what i mean is that other conflicts(iraq, desrt storm) seemed to have a build-up i understand there is always conflict in the middle east also, i saw something this weekend blasting the US for not getting involved enough i understand the US's relationship with Israel does cause alot of problems but sometimes we cant win again, im just asking this to get people's thoughts and understand this better and i promise i wont get offended if people having different views 
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17-07-2006, 23:19
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Although Hezbollah started the trouble by capturing two Israelis, as usual,the Israeli reply has been heavy handed.
Pictures in my daily paper show the damage and destruction in the Israeli bombing in Beirut to flush out the ringleaders. There is talk of Iran and Syria being behind this latest uprising, and I fear the worst. It needs some UN intervention PDQ or this will escalate. I do know the knock on effect in the UK has pushed oil prices above $75 a barrel and our fuel is at an all time high. I doesn't look good.
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17-07-2006, 23:30
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I agree, but who will supply the Un forces? Us Brits are over stretched as it is! The US is a big no-no due to the perception of them being the major backer of Israel. Recent history does not bode well for another major European country to 'lead' the force! (FRance don't want involve there troops! Germany don't want any body bags! Belgium and Dutch seem unwilling after the Balkans.) Which leaves Asain, South American (Brazil ??) or African to lead or at least supply most of the forces!
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17-07-2006, 23:51
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... and theres a build up here - Hezbolla backed by Iran and Syria --- Isreal attack Hezbolla control southern Lebanon - Hezbolla retailates and Isreal goes and neutralises the Iranian nuclear programme (like before) --- USA makes noises about Isreal being careful not to go to far blah de blah to keep the UN and the other lefties out there from going ape ****. Would consider a nuclear free Iran a good thing and as for UN controlled buffer zone - Isreal wont allow it and dont blame anyone not wanting that thankless task.
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17-07-2006, 23:56
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Although I understand the difficult position Israel is in, retaliation is not going to solve anything in the long run. Evertime you destroy and bulldoze you create new enemies to get you one day when you are not looking.
I am not clever enough to know the answer but if we where all out for revenge every time someone gets murdered or kidnapped then we will only have war.
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18-07-2006, 00:07
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dawsey, you make a great point whenever something happens with israel, they tend to be heavy handed their reaction most times seems so quick and again, heavy handed
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18-07-2006, 00:14
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Not taking sides here,but you cannot blame Israel for retaliating, but for every Israeli killed it seems they want to kill 10 Arabs.Always over the top. Its a never ending conflict between Muslim and Israeli and for every step forward they take two back. Its sad,but what can we do?
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18-07-2006, 01:12
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Maybe i am in this point a pessimist, but i see nothing good coming out.The attack of the isreali is far much too hard.It cant be that civilian houses are bombed and they say they just attack military targets.I dont see the escalation to be ended quickly, unfortunatly.And in my bad dreams i see an open war between israel, syria,libanon.Maybe finally iran involved too.Hope this will never happen and that the leaders of those nations come back to normality.But there is almost too much hate between them, and i guess they will act after "an eye for an EYe, a tooth for a tooth.This cant come to an happy end
 pure madness
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18-07-2006, 01:23
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Yeah shark, but besides the Israeli boat, Hezbollah is only targeting civilian targets. Both side have black eyes for that And you are right here. Much much too much hate on both sides. goes back alot of centuries don't know if they'll ever get over the hatred
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18-07-2006, 01:53
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What is going on in the mid east is nothng new.... It has been something that has been going on since god knows when..... Honestly id worry more about North Korea.... That really is a country that dont give a fck about what the west thinks... Far more worrying than the Mid East
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18-07-2006, 02:10
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I tend to disagree cybernator. The middle east has always been volatile but lets not forget that Israel is reputed to have nuclear capabilities. If Israel ever gets cornered or Iran or any of the the Terrorist movements get their hands on nuclear weapons things could get very very nasty indeed!
I dont think for one moment that China would ever let get North Korea that far, its not in their interest and they do hold the key to that stalinist state!
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18-07-2006, 02:43
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Fair point.... But Israel has the U.S supporting them.... With that support Israel knows they cant do anything really over the top.... People will think what they have done to Beirut is but America havent really said you shouldnt do that just exercise a bit of restraint.... I dont think they will do anything to p1ss of George Bush..... North Korea on the other hand really dont care what anyone else thinks of them... It only took them 45 minutes to tell the UN bo**ucks to you which is basicaly what they did......
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18-07-2006, 02:50
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That support will be stretched very thin if they continue. And IMO Israel have ALREADY gone over the top. Don't underestimate the seriousness of what is happening right now cybernator. It may well affect us,indirectly to begin with, but its very close to getting out of hand.
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18-07-2006, 04:07
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Hezbollah ain't going away. Neither is Hamas. And that's the problem. There is no military solution to this quagmire, because Hezbollah and Hamas are dedicated to wiping Isreal off the map. And that ain't gonna happen either.
It's best that the UN brings on whomever it can to bring about a cease fire. What I'm wondering is: where's Condi?
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18-07-2006, 07:12
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First off. North Korea. The main problem is as you said that NK does not listen to anybody but if they ever did anything the US would probably put them back in the stone age and there would be no repurcussions unlike in the mideast. If NK attacks Japan, and they have a long standing hate for each other, the US will help Japan. I do not think that China would help NK if NK attacked Japn or any US interests. Also their rockets are not advanced enough to be able to really threaten the US yet but Japan could get hurt. The problem between Israel and Palestine is religous and will not go away no matter what happens. Hamas and Hezbollah have learned how to make Israel look bad in the world press and it is all due to how Israel has decided to stand up for herself. They do not back down and as Dawsey and Marc26 said they are very heavy handed in dealing with problems over there and H & H use this to their advantage to try to make Israel look like the bad guy all the time due to the strength of their responses to an initial attack by H & H. Well hopefully the whole conflict will stop soon but I personally think that if anything does blow up in to a huge World War type conflict right now it will start in the mideast.
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18-07-2006, 08:33
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"Well hopefully the whole conflict will stop soon but I personally think that if anything does blow up in to a huge World War type conflict right now it will start in the mideast"
As Nostradamus predicted unfortunately. 
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18-07-2006, 10:09
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Not really related to the Israel-Lebanon crisis but it is related to the topic of instability in the Middle East. I thought I should bring it up anyway
I'm not sure if any of you heard about Wafa Sultan. She is a Syrian psychiatrist who immigrated to America. What so interesting about her is that she has been involved in political debates since 9/11, most notably taking on Islamic hardliners. Here's a link to a transcript of a debate that was broadcasted by Al Jazeera. This interview with its sharp criticism of Islam put her on the radar of every Islamic hardliner and terrorist. I tend to agree with her views and its really refreshing to see a person of Muslim heritage take such an outspoken stance. http://www.annaqed.com/english/under...of_terror.html http://www.aqoul.com/images/wafa_sultan.pdf Last edited by Lucky7 : 18-07-2006 at 10:13. Reason: Adding links
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18-07-2006, 17:44
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I wanted to post this thread for 3 days but I knew it would turn into a hot thread and so didnt..
No one mentiones that Isreal killed a civilian family with an (unprovoked) rocket attack in the days before Hezbolla captured 2 military soldiers (just doesnt get anythong other than a tiny mention on BBC or online).. Isreal then 'arrests' 40 government people without charge and hold them (whys that ok but not ok for the arabs to take 2 soldiers).. For the last 4 months Isreal has stopped all monetary flows into the elected Hamas governement in gaza.,. Essentially cripling thier economy (do preople realize Isreal collects tax for Palastine in gaza.. I bet that gets fairly processed).. Isreal has created this reaction with Hamas by starving and pressuring them.. Isreal is MUCH better at media control and the US based media are total lap dogs to this.. Its funny watching BBC and then CNN and faux news in decending order.. Reading between the lines and doing as much info filtering as I can it looks to me like Isreal has created a pressure point of tension to exploit the 'we are under attack' media stand.. Of course Hezbolla and Hamas are fighting a dirty campaign but thats also because its David v Goliath.. America finances Isreal.. America supplys Isreal with patriot missles and technology.. Isreal has total air control.. Total Marine control.. And an US financed army that can wipe the floor with Hezbolla and Hammas.. Yet the whole media reports its Syria and Iran supplying the other side.. No one reports that its US money and technology that supports the Jewish side.. And then the world wonders why militant Islam has a problem with the US !!! Anyway gonna be fun to watch this thread.
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18-07-2006, 18:06
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The bigger problem with NK apart from the fact that Lil Kim is a raving loon (first game of golf scored 18 holes in one.. Total propoganda gone mad.. The guy claims to be a diety etc).. Is that N Korea has a million man land army.. US studies have shown that if NK attacks Seoul and South Korea options are limited.. sure we can nuke them right off the map but American land forces would have a very tough time to not sustain losses.. This would be a battle over mountainous country, with a huge defensive position, with a huge manpower of pretty loopy patriotic troops.. This wouldnt be some easy conflict like desert storm or where a flat desert environment lets all the technological advantages of a highly visible terrain with a highly mobile army work for them.. Basically unless its just nukeing them or artillery bombing control of them military reports I read stated that the loss of American life would be unnacceptable to the American public to have a land based war (not that America would be in any doubt of losing but that 10'000's (maybe 100's of ks) of American soldiers would die in an land based engagement in that terrain simple attrition ratio for a land based battle. I will see if I can find any links for this info later.
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18-07-2006, 18:50
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UN has been there seans the 60´s .. (wasnt´it?) .. a bunch of Swedish guys are there now but for what purpose , they fight anyway ?? I belive guys in my age (555) are more or less brought up with this shit , listening to the news etc. .. i dont like people fighting but some time i think it would be better if they all killed each other and the story ended sort of speak!
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18-07-2006, 19:14
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However with the current problems with Iran enriching weapons grade uranium (no one seems to mention this whole thing is likely a Iran pushed thing to distract the UN from this) and Iraq in what could only be called a civil war the chance of the whole region going downhill is pretty high.
In retrospect giving the Jewish people a state carved out of someone elses wasnt a smart move really.. If the Brits and Americans wanted to do something after WWII why didnt we give them wales (god knows it couldnt get worse  .. Have a nice little gem industry in cardiff by now)..
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18-07-2006, 21:45
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The big distinction is that Syria and Iran support a group of people who strap bombs on their torsos and blow themselves up in the evening rush hour in whatever country they feel like at the time. Militant Islam doesn't just have a problem with the US. They have a problem with the UK, India, Thailand, the Philippines. etc...It's in the Koran. It means subjugating non-Islamics until they convert. It means waging war against non-believers.
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