Thai Lakorn, Movies & Music

[Stacker]

I hope I am not breaking any rules by relaying this. I did look for rules regarding such a post, but found nothing as it is not advertising.

We have finally activated our torrent tracker at www.ThaiTorrents.com and have many many files there. All files are 99.9999901% legal, and are 100% Thai. We are the only Thai Torrent so far and our userbase grows by 25% each week, so we are on top. Many files have over 20 seeder's so speeds are very fast.

We have a variety with nearly 2GB per day going up. We have Karaoke, full Karaoke VCD's, Movies, many Lakorn, MP3 & Full Albums. We do not have adult content.

Simply a file sharing community doing things the legal way. If you are ever looking for any media please check us out. We soon will be having contest's with gifts and prizes that we will mail as well.

If I am breaking an unspecified rule, could a moderator please e-mail me regarding it, I mean not to offend.

Thanks,
Stack

[LivinLOS]

Sorry, as much as I am all for P2p etc the fact you are sharing albums, movies, and VCD's, means your sharing copyrighted material.. hence its NOt legal and someone is getting ripped off..

Not that I care either way but dont pretend its legit..

[Stacker]

Actually there is nothing illegal about downloading files that you legally have the right to download. My son broke my Silly Fool's Fat Live Concert VCD... Legally I have have the right to download it. I had nearly $200USD of VCD's from Siam Square, that my former airline lost on my way home. I have the legal right to those media files as well. There are dozens of other legal examples, and for the majority of person's interested in P2P, do not care of the legal issues in determining if they should click the download button for the The Bodyguard or go to the store and buy it, but they will have their own ethics to deal with, not mine.

And the governments that deal with copyright infringements do so when they stand to lose. Thai media is such a small genre in comparison to Michael Jackson, Madonna or Britney Spears, that any extra exposure on the internet does nothing but help it's popularity. The members of my site, do not simply 'rip off' the Thai artists. We all buy Thai media, and suggest many CD's and movies to each other for purchase, as you could have seen from our forums. I couldn't even give an estimate of how much Thai media I have purchased, and how many cd's are laying on my bookshelves. All because I downloaded a few Bird & Assanee songs a five years back.

We are not even touching on people who are living outside of Thailand with no access to Thai media. There are no Thai radio stations in the USA, so people here have no idea what is good, bad or popular. Not when their only option was to buy an entire CD, without ever hearing a song off of it. The media tries to paint that any file sharing is bad. That simply is not the case. They try to intimidate people saying that to download a song is illegal, when in fact it is not. But I do have an appreciation for your honesty in regards to P2P.

[LivinLOS]

Originally Posted by Stacker

Actually there is nothing illegal about downloading files that you legally have the right to download.

Of course not.. However if you claim that 0.01% of the people that are downloading from you already have a purchased license / copy of the media they are downloading then I will laugh my ass off..

The rest is justification for theft, pure and simple, hear it all the time.. Big corporations rip the artists off, why shouldnt we.. etc..

As long as your comfortable with the fact its theft then fine, I steal IP too, I just dont pretend its "100% legal" when it is 99.99% illegal..

Copyright and IP law have been an interest of mine (I am heavily involved with media / media encoding / compression cedecs / do beta work for MS with WMVHD / DRM etc).. I know a couple of small developers that had to close thier business because thier nieche product was pirated to excess and reports from thier SW showed that >80 - 90% of the used copies were illegal ones..

There is a very interesting debate that can be had that concerns the readjustment of the media distribution channels allowing for some % of piracy to benefit the exposure.. Theres a lot of evidence to suggest that this could benefit the artists and even the industry more than thier current models but this is not what we are discussing.. Your promoting a filesharing torrent site containing copyrighted material.. To claim its legitimicy is a joke..

[Stacker]

Originally Posted by LivinLOS

There is a very interesting debate that can be had that concerns the readjustment of the media distribution channels allowing for some % of piracy to benefit the exposure.. Theres a lot of evidence to suggest that this could benefit the artists and even the industry more than thier current models but this is not what we are discussing.. Your promoting a filesharing torrent site containing copyrighted material.. To claim its legitimicy is a joke..

Yes, it is a debate that could go many many pages. I value your opinion and did not mean any disrespect to you. I will edit my post to say 99% legal. Seriously now, I do buy, and rip, and share. I very rarely download anything at all, but I am not naive to what many of the member's do. Like I say though, many people there had never even heard Thai music before downloading. One user on our site is from the UK, after hearing online, he has purchased all media from his favorite bands (Loso, Silly Fools & Armchair) all media as in Concert's, Karaoke, and albums. Yes he share's it too.

I agree there are other modern channels that artists need to embrace, and many are. Well said statement, totally true.

As far as the legitimacy consider another analogy. Google offer's an image search. You can search the term Red Bull, and get a list of many images. Does that mean that Google is illegitimate? You know as well as I do 90% of those images are copyrighted, and likely considering your number of posts, you use them as much as I do. Yet nobody is questioning the legitimacy of the search engine.

For the sake of being PC, I will edit the other post to 99%. LOL
I like your line of thinking, we agree more than you know. You are just in the closet, I have been a target of RS Promotions. See you there under your alias

[LivinLOS]

I think you got it the wrong way round.. your files might be 0.01% legal...

As for the Google image issue I wonder if you brought that up due to the recent lawsuit against google for using (cant remember which one) either AP's or Reuters news wires.. The news service is subscription based and googles spiders reprint a tiny exert and sometimes images.. they have recently been served a cease and desist order which they have violated and its now one for the lawyers of the world to rprofit from..

You mention something along the lines of Red Bull and branding, if the discussion is to be kept clear you need to be careful not to confuse trademark law with copyright law.. I could also point out that copyright asserts the authors terms as the author (or its publisher in reality) see fit.. If an author publishes for free on the internet then there is no loss of earnings in reproduction or archival of that article.. If the author is publishing (for example) a song and charges a 99c cost for that song each download is a 99c theft against the author.. Its entirely up to the content creator to decide how and under what terms to publish..

Unfortunatly one very worrying thing that is happening thanks to the download culture is the arrival of DRM.. Its an insidiuos problem and will screw the consumer and leave all control in the hands of the media giants.. They are slavering over this concept and microsoft is writing some pretty effective tools to give them the keys to the city.. I have been working as a Microsoft MVP on the DRM associated with WMP10 and for the consumer its a very bad deal.

[LivinLOS]

Ohh and I didnt get the bit about closets or alias's.. I have many handles on many fora but dont connect the dots in what you were saying (RS Promotions)..

[Stacker]

Originally Posted by LivinLOS

I think you got it the wrong way round.. your files might be 0.01% legal...

Ahhh but they are only as illegal as the downloader makes them. I have Endorphine & Lanna VCD'S both, but they are in my daughter's bedroom. When a user copied their VCD and uploaded, I did download so I can watch on my digital media player in my living room. But I need to be honest I have downloaded The Trek and watched 3x without buying it yet. I am a criminal. :P But yes, point taken. Actually, I do want that on DVD come to think of it.

Originally Posted by LivinLOS

As for the Google image issue I wonder if you brought that up due to the recent lawsuit against google for using....

No I never read anything about that! I gotta do some reading tonight.

Originally Posted by LivinLOS

You mention something along the lines of Red Bull and branding, if the discussion is to be kept clear you need to be careful not to confuse trademark law with copyright law

I did mix the two up there, thank you. Replace "Red Bull" with "Ansel Adams". But as you pointed out case is pending.

I think so too, DRM will only add fuel to the fire. I am happy that many Western artists are using DRM on their own with super label's such as Sony. Untill the media giant's step down from the pedastool's the world will disregard the efforts of DRM even if by means of hacks. I don't even download American music, but I can certainly see the justification.

[Stacker]

Originally Posted by LivinLOS

Ohh and I didnt get the bit about closets or alias's.. I have many handles on many fora but dont connect the dots in what you were saying (RS Promotions)..

Just sarcastically saying see you at ThaiTorrents.com, though I know you will never join up. Obviously not interested.

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