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31-05-2005, 21:23
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manchester united scandal?
i was just wondering your opinions on the yank buying manny u? it is getting alot of coverage over here in the states. im not much of a soccer fan but have gained an appreciation for it (that was some game last week with liverpool,my adopted team winning). so i was wondering what your thoughts were on glazer taking over manny u? there was alot of talk of how american sports are run more like a business whereas soccer clubs are more a rich man's hobby if he owns a club and there are fears that glazer will try and run manny u more like a business? im sure allybabba will jump on this thread
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31-05-2005, 22:51
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Ally being a Liverpool man and me Chelsea,we don't care less what happens to M U.
 That guy Malcolm Glazier is not liked or wanted by the fans here in the UK. He has no interest in the club itself,only on the business prospects it may offer him. Also,he borrowed a shed load of money to get the controlling shares. He sounds like trouble to me.
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31-05-2005, 22:56
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Scandal!!! Someone buys shares in a publically listed company... All the Not for Sale idiots, what were they expecting? It was always going to happen from the moment they listed.
Couldn't have happened to a nicer club... 
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01-06-2005, 00:17
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They enjoyed the revenue when they floated and of course in doing so, left themselves open to this kind of thing. In my book that's fair game and it made me laugh seeing all the fans throwing their toys out of the pram !! Without the money raised from the flotation they probably wouldn't have the great stadium they currently play in and would not have been able to finance the buying and payroll of the superstars who have brought them so much success over the last 10-12 years. Also, I find it less and less surprising these days, that someone is "guilty until proved inncoent". I was always brough up to believe in fair play and the quote was the other way around i.e. "innocent until proved guilty". It seems that ManUtd have 100,000+ Mediums, all capable of seeing into the future, as they say they know exactly what Glazer intends i.e. strip the club of all assets in order to pay off the debt, leaving ManUtd as a soccer team pennyless and struggling to survive.
The thing that made me laugh the most, was that some so-called financial expert came out and said that it would cost £50million a year to finance the £245million debt Glazer accumulated in buying the shares. A simple calculation shows that he would be paying just over 20% interest on the loan. We don't even charge that much for credit card balances and that is the most expensive form of borrowing in the UK !! Some expert !! £245million would probably be lent at around 7½% meaning annual payments of around £18.4million, much lower and easily recoverable through selling merchandise through clever marketing. Glazer has a proven track record already, of turning a cash-poor NFL team into Superbowl champions - give him a chance. If he screws up, then jump on him and start yelling "foul!!" As I said, an unfortunate trend in modern society, it seems that most people have become experts in things that don't really concern them, after all - it's a funny old game. Cheers Diz (a happy Hammer !!)  (that means I support a team called "West Ham" marc)
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01-06-2005, 00:22
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AND PROBABLY NURSING A HEADACHE!!!!!!!!! IJ
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01-06-2005, 00:47
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Cheers Diz
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01-06-2005, 14:16
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What goes around comes around.
When Man U appointed their new business manager, David Gill, he said his mission was to "turn more Man United supporters into customers." So much for the beautiful game, eh? And let's not forget, Man U decided not to enter the FA Cup just three or four years back and went instead to play in a meaningless tournament in South America. (I bet they now wish they hadn't entered it this year either, but that's another story!) And they've gone for two years running to play summer friendlies in the USA. Why? Because they were trying to get more attention and grow a fan base in the USA. They made no bones about that - that was the plan. Well, now they've done it. Trouble is, it's not the kind of attention they were looking for. Supporters of every other team in England are, of course, heartbroken.
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01-06-2005, 14:40
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Come on Paddy, we should be over the FA cup thing now; there was more to it than United 'not bothering to enter'
As a United fan, it bothers me that one person has control of the club. He is clearly a clever guy, so maybe the club will prosper under him? We are about to find out, whether we like it or not. I saw an interview with Alan Sugar a couple of weeks ago, about as straight a talker as you could wish for. His opinion seems to be that, unless Malcolm Glazer knows something about football that all the other football club owners past and present in the world don't, his big plan of turning non-football fans into paying customers will not work. As a bloke who got his fingers burnt at Spurs, he should know. Interesting times ahead, I fear.
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01-06-2005, 17:06
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personally i hope the scum who play at the theatre of twats go bust
 just a personal opinion of course
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01-06-2005, 17:32
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You sound rather bitter ?
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01-06-2005, 18:10
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As Diz has already said, Utd fans were not saying a word when they put the club on the market, They were just counting the money they got from there shares rising, So what exactly do they expect now??? For everyone to feel sorry for them?? Not a chance..55555..
It actually kind of shows the mentality of utd fans really, They are all kicking up a big fuss before they have even given the guy a chance, And are talking about boycotting games and starting up a new club of there own!! Thats the kind of surporters they can do without frankly, They even threatened roy keane, Who has been there best player for years and has given everything for the club, That if he does not give a donation to the surporters fund and come out against glazer, Then they are going to boycott his testimonial that he has worked for all these years, And deserves!!! Again who needs surporters like that!! They wont be missed. As much as I dont like Utd, I hope the fans get behind there team and surport them like they should regaurdless of who owns the club, And then if in 2/3years down the line, Glazer is fu*king up the club, Thats the time to protest, Not now though!!! PS: Its funny if Liverpool had of being greedy and put the club on the market, They could also be owned by an american syndicate fronted by the owner of the New England Patriots(cant remember his name though). But im sure you know his name Marc
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01-06-2005, 18:27
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To be honest Ally I think many of the top premiership clubs are heading this way.
You only got to look at Chelsea which nobody has bothered to mention yet...they litterally bought the title with that big spending billionaire behind them. It's big money and big business now, football isn't like the old days anymore with a local feel to it. It ain;t just Man U who have supporters living outside of manchester either - in my town alone there are supporters to evey major club in england and none of them have the local accent or many have never even been to Highbury- Old Trafford - Anfield etc... I think all the top clubs will end up like this with a battle of who's got the most spending power and the most powerful backing. Rather like the situation in Italy and Spain - our clubs seem to heading in that direction - Is it a good thing or bad thing ?
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01-06-2005, 18:28
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02-06-2005, 00:45
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I dont think thats the point though, There is a hell of a big difference between man utd and chelsea, Roman Abramavich has taking over chelsea as a hobby and has pumped loads of money into the club which he will never get back, And the point about them buying the league is a bit unfair really because no matter how much money he pumped in, They still had to win it, And in fairness teams have been doing that for years, You just have to look at the spanish and italian leagues to see that with the likes of Madrid,Barcalona, Ac Milan and Juventus but that does not mean they automaticly win the league as has been proved in spain with Valencia and Deportivo who done it on a shoe-string against the odds. Onto the point about it being big buisness, Of coarse you have a point but like Abramavich some of the chairman of the clubs only want to win things first and make money second, You only have to look at David Moore's at Liverpool and David Dein at Arsenal to see that, Them two teams have been losing money for years, But every year they still make money availible for players, All Liverpool's winning's from this year (35million) will now be pumped straight back into buying players for next year and Arsenal are putting all there money into the new stadium and I think the difference with Utd is, Because he has now got the club into so much death (500million+), There is a fear that he will ruin the club, And thats the thing I cant get my head around, Why would he want to? If your going to pay so much money for a club, Then the best way to make your money back is by making the club as successful as it has been in the past, Thats why I think they need to give him a chance at least!!
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02-06-2005, 00:46
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Yeah thats the one IJ 
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02-06-2005, 01:53
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A certain Thaksin Shinwatra was being courted by Liverpool not so very long ago too
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02-06-2005, 02:04
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I would agree with that Ally. As a neutral myself (my local team are Stafford Rangers) - who the hell are they are hear you all cry 5555, I feel that a lot of people love to hate Man U, not yourself of course as you have shown in what you write but I really think it's a bit sad that they spend their lives slagging off the team and the supporters when it does have true supporters who perhaps are not getting angry about takeovers but it also has tossers like many clubs have good and bad. Man U also have a long and proud history (involving working class fans and players like any team) if anyone would care to check the records and it seems to me that lots of people hate them particularly since the furgerson era - ie : 10 years of domination - = jealousy and spite and a lot of child like dummy spitting. From my point of view it's only a game and not religion like some people suggest, I understand the passion of the game but feel some take this too far and spend their lives hating. For what ? To illustrate this, why would this subject about a football team even appear on a phuket website ? I rest my case Who gives a flying fcuk ? Not me Anyway, changing the subject, here is a story you may like as you are a liverpool fan Ally. My parents recently took my gran and great aunt away for a few days to a large mobile home at the seaside. They are sitting there on wednesday night watching liverpool vs AC Milan. My dad was frustrated as liverpool went 3 goals down by half time as he is a lover of football in general and would like nothing more than an english team to win it, no matter who they may be. At half time he's cursing liverpools luck and saying to the rest of them, that's it then, my great aunt (who's in her late 80's) says ''I don't know anything about football but I think Liverpool will win this'' True story and if she ever utters any other sporting comments like that I'm straight down the bookies.!!!!!!
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02-06-2005, 15:17
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I'd have to check this again with my son, who's one of those soccer statistic nerds, but the other day he was saying that there about 12 clubs in the league who are a PLC, and they all do badly because of it. Man Utd were the only exception to that until Glazer came along. Because they're a PLC, if a guy weighs in with enough money to buy up the shares, there's not a thing anyone can do about it. Money talks and bullshit walks, as the saying goes.
On the other hand, about 95% of Arsenal's shares are divided between only about 20 people and they're all genuine, lifelong fans who turn up for every game. Their manager has spent less money on players than some clubs who aren't even in the Premiership any more (in fact he's spent less than half of what Spurs have spent since he's been there). They've never finished lower than second in his time and on many occasions, even people who don't like them have to admit that they play some truly world class football. It shows that with a shrewd manager and some good scouts, you can still be successful without Abramovich/Glazer type of money.
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04-06-2005, 21:12
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Man U
Liverpool have been given the 4th Champions League spot as Man U are playing in the Superbowl
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05-06-2005, 02:00
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liverpool being sold too?????????
just heard/read that the robert kraft the owner of THE WORLD CHAMPION NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS is looking into buying the liverpool soccer club. he has done a great job with the pats and also owns the local boston pro soccer team forgot there name as no one watches soccer here..
just found name "new england revolution" soccer club...
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05-06-2005, 02:04
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