money problem?

[Zeraph]

Heya, some of you might remember my post that I made back in december about a autosurf site.
And I said I would take out some money in feb, well. now we are in feb and I did a withdraw.

Here is the cashout.

17000skr(~$2200)(pocket money and for hotel)
Now I only need to save up some money for the plane ticket, and then I might be seeing some of you in phuket or pattaya around may or june.

Originally Posted by Old Post

Hello
I've been a member in this forum for some months now and gathered some really good information about Thailand.
And by all this information I gained, I could make a money plan on how much I would need to go down to Thailand for a
2 weeks vacation.

With the low paying job that I got, I make about $350 per month, and some of that money goes to food, clothes, etc etc.
So first I thought that a trip down to Thailand wouldnt happend in the near future; Until I found out about a "autosurf"
program that actually works, so my plans have changed.
So I put in $12 to the program just to try it out, and got paid $15 in afew weeks, thats a profit of $3.
Ok, it worked, So in the end of october I took out $216 from my Thailand savings and invested that in the program,
and now its almost 3 months later and I currently got $636 in the program. In the start of next year I will be paid $915.
So in 3 months, my money that I started to invest with have turned from $216 to $915. By the end of february I will get
around $1900 and by then I will have enough money to make my trip in mars 2006, instead of the end of 2006.

Im sure there is someone else in this forum with almost the same money problem that I have, or those that have no problems with
money.

Anyway, I would like to thank you all for the excellent information about Thailand you have posted in this forum,
and hopefully when I get back from my trip in mars I will be able to help out with some information about Thailand.
But until then, I just wanted to give you alittle information about this program.

[LivinLOS]

well done..

Once its out its safe..

[jimholio]

I have actually heard about this program too, it was not any hustler trying to refer for some extra credit either, so i guess it could work. But how many sites does that require you to visit each day? or do you use some kind of macro to visit them?

[LivinLOS]

The site browsing bit is all just a ruse.. It give people confidence thinking theres more to it but no online advertsing click through stuff pays multi 1000 per person per period.. Just use your head..

Its a ponzi in another set of clothes.. It pays slower than most, its huge, and it limits compounding so it will last longer but one day (my guess is inside of 6 month) it will crash..

Many people have the max 9k in allowed.. When it crashes they have to have made more than the money inside the system out.. Most people are compounding to build up to that level and risking it all instead of getting profits out in a structured way..

Research PIPS a similar system last year.. Took millions until a cease and desist order was issued on it and the main players rounded up and arrested in Singapore.. Last I read they had thier passports taken and were awaiting trial..

I know a few lads that have worked boiler rooms around asia on similar but less online activites.. Either doing pump and dump on small volume asian shares or selling purely ficticious share documents in real companies.. Its more common out here in Asia as the investors are often not very experienced and the legal framework is patchy.. Police dont often care if a few overseas farangs got ripped off by a bangkok crew.. Hear about them using KL / Jakarta / Manilla and BKK commonly..

One of them was in town over new year.. Was explaining some gig he was involved in in Manila that was a pump and dump..

[Hobbsy]

Gordon Gecko is off on one again :P

[jimholio]

Originally Posted by LivinLOS

The site browsing bit is all just a ruse.. It give people confidence thinking theres more to it but no online advertsing click through stuff pays multi 1000 per person per period.. Just use your head..

Its a ponzi in another set of clothes.. It pays slower than most, its huge, and it limits compounding so it will last longer but one day (my guess is inside of 6 month) it will crash..

Many people have the max 9k in allowed.. When it crashes they have to have made more than the money inside the system out.. Most people are compounding to build up to that level and risking it all instead of getting profits out in a structured way..

Research PIPS a similar system last year.. Took millions until a cease and desist order was issued on it and the main players rounded up and arrested in Singapore.. Last I read they had thier passports taken and were awaiting trial..

I know a few lads that have worked boiler rooms around asia on similar but less online activites.. Either doing pump and dump on small volume asian shares or selling purely ficticious share documents in real companies.. Its more common out here in Asia as the investors are often not very experienced and the legal framework is patchy.. Police dont often care if a few overseas farangs got ripped off by a bangkok crew.. Hear about them using KL / Jakarta / Manilla and BKK commonly..

One of them was in town over new year.. Was explaining some gig he was involved in in Manila that was a pump and dump..

Seems like a dangerous business to invest money in But perhaps if you're there from the beginning there may be some profit to be made. I mean people talk, regardless. And they even have a forum on their site for their users to discuss payments and such. I wouldnt go hardcore into any programs like this but spending 6$ to try it out, well thats one less beer at the pub and 2 more beers for whoever that is holding the program, could care less.

[LivinLOS]

Originally Posted by Hobbsy

Gordon Gecko is off on one again :P

Jonny Jingjock

khap

[jimholio]

Originally Posted by Hobbsy

Gordon Gecko is off on one again :P

5555 right, greed is good!

[river]

Gordy's on the ball.

[forward_one]

It's so old. There is no one who would give you money just like that.
It's fraud! And Zeraph has proberly an intrest in it.

[stevem]

Originally Posted by forward_one

It's so old. There is no one who would give you money just like that.
It's fraud! And Zeraph has proberly an intrest in it.

Its not fraud, but it is illegal. Some win most loose. But everyone going into it should be fully aware of what they are doing, as the warnings are plastered all over the web sites.

Its really no different to sitting at the black jack table at the casino, you hand over your money and the house takes it.

[shark1963]

I am glad to hear that you saved the money for your next trip to LOS, if this is your real intention posting your thread, what i am really in doubt. you don´t have to advertise this programm as its enough to mewntion you made it and it worked for. Most of the BM´s have good job´s so they can afford several trip´s to LOS or have allready retired their. Why putting a picture of your money in a thread? we all saw your first thread, didn´t it worked as you would like to? no new customers for you?
Should give a bann to the forum for advertising this, and imho this is the more worst case than any BG´s is trying to get our money out of the wallet.
If i am wrong i excuse myself at this point here.

But you won´t get me as your sponsor! I need all my money for my TG sponering allready

[jimholio]

Originally Posted by stevem

Its not fraud, but it is illegal. Some win most loose. But everyone going into it should be fully aware of what they are doing, as the warnings are plastered all over the web sites.

Its really no different to sitting at the black jack table at the casino, you hand over your money and the house takes it.

Look like its already happening, apparantly their payment service "Stormpay" refuse anymore withdrawal from this program i was thinking about. http://www.12dailypro.com (Dont use it) it's about to crash, but its been running for a few months now and it looks like atleast some has made quite some profit from it. But also (LOTS) of people losing whatever money they have invested in this program if it crashes now.

[stevem]

Originally Posted by jimholio

Look like its already happening, apparantly their payment service "Stormpay" refuse anymore withdrawal from this program i was thinking about. http://www.12dailypro.com (Dont use it) it's about to crash, but its been running for a few months now and it looks like atleast some has made quite some profit from it. But also (LOTS) of people losing whatever money they have invested in this program if it crashes now.

Read all about here http://talkgold.com/forum/f11-General_Program_Talk.html

[jimholio]

I guess its like with all gambling, you gotta know when to call it a day, setup a goal before you start gambling and once you reach that goal you pull out. But i wouldnt want to risc anything in a program like this.

[LivinLOS]

Seems stormpay might have hit the skids..

Never liked them anyway.. Huge fees and no guarantee of what backs thier money.. At least e-gold hold physical gold against your deposits..

Good job you got the money not only out of the program but out of storm pay into your cash accounts.. Would not want to have any stormpay holdings today..

Now you see my point about additional risks that you were not listing..

[Zeraph]

Ye, I was pretty lucky, sadly not everyone was as lucky as me :/

the thing I've been alittle worried about all this time, was 12dp shuting down and run with the money, like many autosurf programs do.
But this time it seems like i should have been worried about the payment processor running away with 12dps money.

hopefully 12dp gets access to their money again so they can refund all member fees and then only use emo as payment processor.

[stevem]

Originally Posted by Zeraph

Ye, I was pretty lucky, sadly not everyone was as lucky as me :/

Tell me about it

[jimholio]

Originally Posted by Zeraph

Ye, I was pretty lucky, sadly not everyone was as lucky as me :/

the thing I've been alittle worried about all this time, was 12dp shuting down and run with the money, like many autosurf programs do.
But this time it seems like i should have been worried about the payment processor running away with 12dps money.

hopefully 12dp gets access to their money again so they can refund all member fees and then only use emo as payment processor.

Just be lucky you didnt reinvest your money as many others did. Another thing thats realy funny, now im not 100% sure about this, but i believe an online game called Neocron used Stormpay as their payment processor, not sure if they have changed or not but if so thats ALOT of angry customers they have right now.

[LivinLOS]

I think storm pay is huge.. I would be really surprised to see them just go but I am always leary of payment processors and private companies holding money (I once saw an advert in the FT for a fully licenced bank in Panama for sale for 40k, building vault and all.. was in debt but had huge deposits and loans)..

Theres a post on 12DP though stating that they think the freeze on thier assets is due to SP not having enough lose funds to cover.

[the bigboy]

i found a programm that pays a lot it is called my boss , the only problem is that i spend more time in his company than in LOS. 555555