The expats hotel no place for expats

[faultytowers]

Originally Posted by Geir

Sometimes this forum is very unfriendly to new posters...........
If some bad incidents would happen in a place to a well known and liked BM I'm quite sure he would get a lot of support...........That said I never heard anything bad (or good in that matter) about Expat Hotel.....


Geir

There was a post a couple of months ago , about a BM owned hotel , the "original" claim was that the in-room safety box had been robbed (friends credit cards etc stolen). There was also "some problem" with paying the BG he had been with.

His friend (who was in Bangkok) and received a "frantic" phone call , eventually returned to Patong and the "real" story unfolded. It seems that there had been no theft and that all the problems had been caused by too much alcohol and language problems !!!!

So , there are always two sides to every story , and perhaps when a lot of alcohol is involved there are "vague" details which get "forgotten" !!!!!.

I think that even if a "well known and liked BM" posted that they had got drunk , took an 'unknown' BG home , left a lot of cash in an unlocked suitcase and then had no proof about who stole their cash , started blaming/abusing hotel staff and didn't report it to the police they would get the same replies as posted in this thread.

[Geir]

Originally Posted by faultytowers

There was a post a couple of months ago , about a BM owned hotel , the "original" claim was that the in-room safety box had been robbed (friends credit cards etc stolen). There was also "some problem" with paying the BG he had been with.

His friend (who was in Bangkok) and received a "frantic" phone call , eventually returned to Patong and the "real" story unfolded. It seems that there had been no theft and that all the problems had been caused by too much alcohol and language problems !!!!

So , there are always two sides to every story , and perhaps when a lot of alcohol is involved there are "vague" details which get "forgotten" !!!!!.

I think that even if a "well known and liked BM" posted that they had got drunk , took an 'unknown' BG home , left a lot of cash in an unlocked suitcase and then had no proof about who stole their cash , started blaming/abusing hotel staff and didn't report it to the police they would get the same replies as posted in this thread.

I agree with you on this, and should maybe posted my comment in a new thread......But I actually get a lot of bm's to my bar saying the same thing as I did in my post........Someone have been regular posters and stopped because of flaming, and some have never posted because they are to scared to get "run down" by the older members................My feeling is that it's easier to get disliked than liked these days.............

Geir

[jimholio]

Nothing against the owner at expat, and have no issues with the staff, which seemed very friendly when i was there to look at the rooms.

However i do think its very overpriced, compared to other hotels with the same or better facilities.

Got a great deal at C&N last time we were down, paid 800 baht per night for the biggest room they had. Very nice room and top service. Only thing is that you dont have a pool, however they offered me to go to C&N resort and use their pool for free but i never did.

[timios]

Originally Posted by planter

i do feel very sorry for you, but i for one would never stay in a place without an inroom safe. leaving cash in a suitcase is crazy either in australia or thailand or anywhere in the world for that matter. I thinnk you were a fool, but i still feel sorry for you, we all make mistakes. Having said that there is surely nothing the management could really do to sort this out, you hd no proof the money was taken, and you did have a girl the night before, what did you really expect management to do?

Iknew the management could do stuff all but they didnt believe me and treated me like the bloody criminal when there staff were the criminals

[timios]

Originally Posted by gary09

i been looking at the "TripAdvisor" for reviews on the "expat hotel"
back in feb.this year one person booked in & after 10 mins was asked to leave the room , it was doubled booked & had to leave & no other rooms were available, he asked the manager for help in finding an alternative hotel , manager told him he was "too busy to help & it was his problem" - seems like this manager has no regard for customers, with this type of treatment why would any one stay there

The management were hell bent on blaming the ladie when i knew it wasnt her im stupid in a sense but the cold hard truth is there staff robbed me and there willing to treat me like the criminal and be done with it end of story as far as there concerned they condone theft and i dont im not finished here by a long shot

[timios]

Originally Posted by ChoakMyDee

Call me stupid but wouldn't the hotel safe be the first place an "inside job" thief would look? I never use a hotel safe and I travel A LOT.

i dont know u tell me there was an oppurtunity there and someone took it

[LivinLOS]

Originally Posted by timios

yes i was very naive im as much to blame the piont is i got there that arvo safety box didnt work i was woken up the next day by chambermaid i unlocked my suitcase to throw on some bathers i was still very vague from the night before the last people i would of thought would thouroughly go through my suitcase would be the cleaners my only agenda here is to make sure it doesnt happen to anyone else believe me im kicking myself for being so dumb live and learn but the cold hard fact is this shouldnt off happened period

I dont deny this happened.. I dont dispute your right to be pissed off..

But to say the expat is at fault, for you leaving an unsecured 10 to 20 months wages in front of a cleaner well here is where I dont agree.

I think if you put that much money in front of any cleaning staff and stagger off with a hangover to the pool you will lose it.. No point just pointing the finger at the expat, you would have 80% of the hotels in town fail this challenge because its a royally dumb thing to do.

I sympathize but I cant see it as anyones fault but yours, sorry. You really cant expect hotel staff to look at 1 to 2 years wages in cash and just walk away, its not human nature.

[LivinLOS]

Originally Posted by Geir

I agree with you on this, and should maybe posted my comment in a new thread......But I actually get a lot of bm's to my bar saying the same thing as I did in my post........Someone have been regular posters and stopped because of flaming, and some have never posted because they are to scared to get "run down" by the older members................My feeling is that it's easier to get disliked than liked these days.............

Geir

This is totally off topic but this is a factor..

But I would say it all hinges down to how you present yourself in forums, interacting online requires social skills different from in real world, it helps to open info about yourself and interact, not demand or hissy fit..

I dont think this is a worse forum than many others I have used but theres definitely a pecking order.

[timios]

Originally Posted by faultytowers

As you yourself have said (twice) in your posts , you had no proof !!!

You question the attitude of the management but admit you were abusive towards the manager.

You knew the previous afternoon (when you arrived) that the in-room safety box didn't work , so why didn't you put your money in the "reception" safe.

You left your suitcase unlocked and admit you were "very vague" from the night before , I'm assuming that means very hungover ..........or perhaps you don't remember too much about what happened . So , is it possible that you opened the suitcase at some earlier point , possibly when the BG was still there ??????

One further point , if you were that sure the money had been taken by a member of staff , and were "assaulted" by "a member of their staff" , why did you not report this to the police/tourist police ??????


I know some of the BMs who live in Phuket have known the manager for many years , so I'm sure "the other side" of this story will eventually make it's way here.

yes i was hungover and i unlocked the suitcase to pay the ladie in the morning everything was still intact nothing missing i was abusive to the manager the next day when nothing had been done they were still blaming ladie as for the assault it was a couple of punches to my arm not even worth reporting but assault all the same ur either a friend of the management or the staff or u wouldnt of bothered to reply i know what happened hungover or not only someone with a key went through my belongings and helped them self im sure $60,000 baht is a great temptation and very convenient to place blame else were.

[Dodger]

Choakmydee, if your money was stolen from a house safe in the reception, then the Hotel would have insurance cover, and they would have an obligation to cover your loss, it would be their responsibility. Unless they have a written rider stating you leave money at your own risk.

Geir, I can see you point but also consider, an unknown person comes on the forum and blames a hotel for his own loss and openly admits he has NO proof.

If a similar situation had happened to a known BM, then those of us that knew him, would have some way to sort of judge the truth and likelyhood of the circumstances occuring.

This is the second time this guy has posted about this on PI, he has also posted on other sites, why?? and why did he try to deny knowledge of the previous thread? when he had already posted he knew of it??

He doesn't use the safety deposit box, claims it was broken, but doesn't report that fact. The owner claims that he was too drunk to effectively use the safety deposit box correctly. He claims he was hung over and opened the suitcase, whilst the cleaner was in the room and left it unlocked?? why unlocked?? why did he not lock it?? The manager seems to lack in customer service skills, but I cannot judge that as do not know him, and do not know what he has to put up with on a regular basis from drunken clients.

The Op states he was kicking himself because of his own stupidity. Well, why not put it down to his own stupidity, accepts the responsibility of his own actions and stop going on about it.

Yeah perhaps this sounds unfriendly, but I do not know this guy, no introduction, no previous posts, no contribution to the Forum or other members. Just this moan, why?? trying to give us the heads up or trying to use the forum to get at the owner, sounds very bitter and sad and not someone who can stand up and accept their own stupidity!!

[timios]

Originally Posted by Crustasian

My business is right next door to the Ex Pat and I have used it many times over the years.Your sorry story just does not hold water.

I seem to remember from the deleted post about this that the manager made a rebuttal of your friend's accusations.

YOU were drunk and abusive on arival and so drunk that YOU could not operate the simple room safe.You went down town got drunker and brought back some slapper that you don't even know where from.

As Dodger said there is a bank of safety boxes in reception you should have used.

The staff is mainly female ,apart from one maintainence man.So who assaulted you???Did you report this assault to the police????

You were nothing short of a drunken abusive a@shole and your whole accusation could be a fabrication for you losing (if you ever had it) money down town.

To come on an open forum and sling accusations around like this shows to me that you should just stay at home.Tourists like you nobody needs.

Have sex and travel - my friend.

im sure u will get a free room next time u stay at the expats im even surer that ur property will be safe and sound i was drunk that night but not when i fronted the manager the day after ur facts i know what happened allthough i cant prove it the person who repeatedly punched me in the arm was a female u think im making this up u thimk i would go out on town with $2,000 aus on me ur drunker than i was and as for my friends posts i dont know what was said i got a lot of friends and only just got home last night and havent seen any other posts im not even aware if any one i know posted anything.but the way u guys are sticking up for them only makes me more hell bent on dedicating a lot of time towards telling the truth of the matter i might even start asking some of my friends help me out at the moment im flying solo but i can change that if thats what u guys want

[planter]

mmmmm now starting to attack bm's, way to go in how to make friends an influence people accept some blame on your part and build a bridge

[timios]

Originally Posted by Dodger

Choakmydee, if your money was stolen from a house safe in the reception, then the Hotel would have insurance cover, and they would have an obligation to cover your loss, it would be their responsibility. Unless they have a written rider stating you leave money at your own risk.

Geir, I can see you point but also consider, an unknown person comes on the forum and blames a hotel for his own loss and openly admits he has NO proof.

If a similar situation had happened to a known BM, then those of us that knew him, would have some way to sort of judge the truth and likelyhood of the circumstances occuring.

This is the second time this guy has posted about this on PI, he has also posted on other sites, why?? and why did he try to deny knowledge of the previous thread? when he had already posted he knew of it??

He doesn't use the safety deposit box, claims it was broken, but doesn't report that fact. The owner claims that he was too drunk to effectively use the safety deposit box correctly. He claims he was hung over and opened the suitcase, whilst the cleaner was in the room and left it unlocked?? why unlocked?? why did he not lock it?? The manager seems to lack in customer service skills, but I cannot judge that as do not know him, and do not know what he has to put up with on a regular basis from drunken clients.

The Op states he was kicking himself because of his own stupidity. Well, why not put it down to his own stupidity, accepts the responsibility of his own actions and stop going on about it.

Yeah perhaps this sounds unfriendly, but I do not know this guy, no introduction, no previous posts, no contribution to the Forum or other members. Just this moan, why?? trying to give us the heads up or trying to use the forum to get at the owner, sounds very bitter and sad and not someone who can stand up and accept their own stupidity!!

ive admitted my own stupidity have they admitted anything no as i said today was the first time ive posted if someone on my behalf has posted as well then good on them u sound objective fine thats ur decision but the facts r whwt happened happened yes i made a mistake but the fact is 1 of there staff stole my money and i dont have to convince u or anyone im just telling my side of the events that happened so feel free to keep bashing me i will be here tmmrw next week next month next year ive got nothing to hide

[billpay]

I do feel sorry that you lost the 2 grand, and can understand your frustration. However, you do seem like you have an axe to grind, and it is unfair to try to ruin the good name of a business over one incident.....yes, a big incident, but just one incident nonetheless. I think that you are trying a little too hard to bury the Expat, IMHO.

[timios]

Originally Posted by LivinLOS

I dont deny this happened.. I dont dispute your right to be pissed off..

But to say the expat is at fault, for you leaving an unsecured 10 to 20 months wages in front of a cleaner well here is where I dont agree.

I think if you put that much money in front of any cleaning staff and stagger off with a hangover to the pool you will lose it.. No point just pointing the finger at the expat, you would have 80% of the hotels in town fail this challenge because its a royally dumb thing to do.

I sympathize but I cant see it as anyones fault but yours, sorry. You really cant expect hotel staff to look at 1 to 2 years wages in cash and just walk away, its not human nature.

i hear ur piont but the money was not in plain sight it was hidden in clothing in my suitcase yes i ****ed up leaving my suitcase unlocked but who deserves to have there room thouroughly cleaned out like that i chose the expats soley on name i thought the name said it all they would look after there own.

[timios]

Originally Posted by billpay

I do feel sorry that you lost the 2 grand, and can understand your frustration. However, you do seem like you have an axe to grind, and it is unfair to try to ruin the good name of a business over one incident.....yes, a big incident, but just one incident nonetheless. I think that you are trying a little too hard to bury the Expat, IMHO.

yes true but the way they treated me they deserve it i didnt ask for this or want this but facts are facts and how ive been treated on here is about as fair as that hotel treated me it gets my back even more what would u do bend over and cop it cause im not willing to do that we all make mistakes granted live and learn but i feel like im copping it all over again and very unjustly.

[Dodger]

Try learning to use commas and full stops and big big letters at the start of sentances, makes reading just a tad easier.

What has the hotel got to proove to you??? you left your money in an unopened bag, in full sight of a room cleaner. You didn't use any sensible precautions, and it was stolen by someone, no proof of whom, no proof it was a member of staff.

Get over it, put it down to experience and move on.

[Lightemup]

No punctuations make my eyes hurt...

[Denver]

I'm just lurking. Let me know when you think this thread has served it's purpose or run its course and I'll can it.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by LivinLOS

I sympathize but I cant see it as anyones fault but yours, sorry

Totally agree.......leaving that amount of cash unattended in a Hotel Room is just an open invitation for theft to occur.

Haven't u ever heard of Travellers Cheques ?

l'd be blaming myself, not anyone else.

[pablo]

Originally Posted by Denver

I'm just lurking. Let me know when you think this thread has served it's purpose or run its course and I'll can it.

Now, please.....

[MassMoose]

Originally Posted by dogblower

BTW, what happened to the other post on this subject? I notice the whole thread has been removed from here and from ThaiVisa. Anyone know why?

I thought this was the same post also so went direct to page 2. Surprised that this is a brand new thread on the topic.