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13-12-2005, 20:27
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German Stabbed to Death in Phuket
Tuesday, December 13, 2005
German, 25, stabbed to death PATONG: A 25-year-old German man died early on Sunday morning of stab wounds received in a furious argument with his Thai girlfriend in their rented room on Nanai Rd. Pol Lt Col Chawalit Niamwadee, of Kathu Police Station, told the Gazette, “I received a call from Patong Hospital at 4 am that a man had been brought into the emergency room, where he had died of his wounds.” The dead man was identified as Anders Ochner. “He had been stabbed once in his right side and once in his upper chest, and he had three knife wounds to his right hand,” said Col Chawalit. “At the scene of the stabbing, I found Uthairat Poonchan, 21, from Nakhon Sawan, still holding a knife. There was blood on the floor. “She told me that she and Mr Ochners frequently had arguments about the victim’s relationships with other women. She had used the knife to protect herself, she said, because he had hit and hurt her before. She herself had cuts to her fingers and her right arm.” Uthairat, he said, had been arrested on a charge of manslaughter. The investigation continues. Mr Ochner’s body is currently at Thalang Hospital awaiting collection by his relatives. Drew 
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13-12-2005, 20:47
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Avoid girls with hot temper.
I talked to another man recently, he told me he will never have a Thai gf again, he was also stabbed on the side/back in the past and have a big scar left.
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13-12-2005, 20:49
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Manslaughter ?? she stabs him with a knife and kills him sounds like murder to me..
Paul threw debbie onto the bed where she hits the wall and breaks her neck.. Thats murder ?? Ohh I forgot, shes Thai and he isnt..
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14-12-2005, 06:11
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14-12-2005, 06:53
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Hmm that sucks, im sure she will say it was self defence
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14-12-2005, 07:11
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A German guy called ANDERS ???
 Where will this end ?
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15-12-2005, 02:12
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Surely manslaughter is accidentally killing someone murder can still be a crime of passion and not pre meditated..
Paul Killed debbie in a drunken argument.. Hes on a murder charge..
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15-12-2005, 05:39
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I guess that is Thailand LIL. I think one difference between murder and manslaughter (in the UK) is as to whether or not the person MEANT to kill the victim. Another aspect is as to whether or not the act of violence is LIKELY to result in a persons death.e.g. skull like an eggshell and the victim is killed by a single blow. IMO the benefit of the doubt is given to far to many criminals. Some youths today have just been found guilty of killing a barman in London. They committed 8 acts of violence against different people within 1 hour, the last one resulting in the death of a barman, who ironically survived a bombing in Soho a few years ago. Got off a murder charge and found guilty of manslaughter.
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15-12-2005, 08:24
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Well, if you use a knife to hurt somebody I think I would say it is murder due to the weapon chosed.
If she hit him in the head with a stick/bottle or whatever and died then I could agree with manslaughter. Most normal western people would never use a knife, regardless how angry their are.
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15-12-2005, 12:00
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I agree with the above that if you mean to kill someone its murder.. if you accidentally kill someone, if you kill someone while trying to defend yourself (or use too much force as in the 'reasonable force' arguement), if you kill somone in a crime of passion or argument without the intention to kill them.. That makes Manslaughter IMHO..
If you try to kill someone its murder and if you plan to kill someone its then premeditated murder.. This case the murder weapon and the impression is one of either murder or premediated murder IMHO but its manslaughter.. Paul and Debbies came under accidental death or at the very worst a crime of passion (drunken argument) resulting in Paul killing her.. That was murder.. Just seems unfair justice but there you go, if Paul had some money he could have had a manslaughter rap and if he had a chunk of money he would probably be free.. TiT..
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15-12-2005, 12:02
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I have noticed that Turks, italians and Spanish seem to carry knives a lot more than any other Euro's.. Not sure why its more common in the latin peoples and not making any bad generalizations just a comment.. It was turks thats stabbed me..
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15-12-2005, 14:31
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15-12-2005, 15:04
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Think his name was Andreas... But this incident remembers me of one i had last month in patong. A "firsttimer to thailand" brought me in trouble... Some TGs are better to avoid. But some people just don`t believe.....
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15-12-2005, 15:06
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That`s amazing. It was turks thats stabbed me, too (in germany).
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15-12-2005, 15:26
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Not shitting you, Pablo....for real.
Quote from AllyBabba who was there: "When I was in MTB I seen it with my own eyes, Kwan and moaw fighting over some guy who kwan was with the night before, And moaw was drinking with him and because of that kwan took offence and went to stab her with an 10 inch knife, And it took about 4 of us to take the knife off her" Apparently it happened in the fall of 2004 sometime. I don't now who was the butterfly they were jealous over. The girl's name was Maew which means cat. She's the girl at the back and center in this pic.
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Last edited by JayBee : 15-12-2005 at 15:43.
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15-12-2005, 15:33
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hehe she did put on quite a show didn't she. I still take the piss out of her for it but I wouldn't mess with her if she 'lost it' again. Intended victim was another girl who worked at MTB - forget her name but she doesn't work there now. Nothing to do with the incident tho - they were chatting away next day.
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15-12-2005, 15:41
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This is from a legal reference book:
MANSLAUGHTER - The unlawful killing of a human being without malice or premeditation, either express or implied; distinguished from murder, which requires malicious intent. The distinctions between manslaughter and murder, consists in the following: In the former, though the act which occasions the death be unlawful, or likely to be attended with bodily mischief, yet the malice, either express or implied, which is the very essence of murder, is presumed to be wanting in manslaughter. It also differs from murder in this, that there can be no accessaries before the fact, there having been no time for premeditation. Manslaugbter is voluntary, when it happens upon a sudden heat; or involuntary, when it takes place in the commission of some unlawful act. The cases of manslaughter may be classed as follows those which take place in consequence of: 1. Provocation. 2. Mutual combat. 3. Resistance to public officers, etc. 4. Killing in the prosecution of an unlawful or wanton act. 5. Killing in the prosecution of a lawful act, improperly performed, or performed without lawful authority. The provocation which reduces the killing from murder to manslaughter is an answer to the presumption of malice which the law raises in every case of homicide; it is therefore no answer when express malice is proved and to be available the provocation must have been reasonable and recent, for no words or slight provocation will be sufficient, and if the party has had time to cool, malice will be inferred. In cases of mutual combat, it is generally manslaughter only when one of the parties is killed. When death ensues from duelling the rule is different, and such killing is murder. The killing of an officer by resistance to him while acting under lawful authority is murder; but if the officer be acting under a void or illegal authority, or out of his jurisdiction, the killing is manslaughter, or excusable homicide, according to the circumstances of the case. Killing a person while doing an act of mere wantonness, is manslaughter as, if a person throws down stones in a coal-pit, by which a man is killed, although the offender was only a trespasser. When death ensues from the performance of a lawful act, it may, in consequence of the negligence of the offender, amount to manslaughter. For instance, if the death has been occasioned by negligent driving. Again, when death ensues, from the gross negligence of a medical or surgical practitioner, it is manslaughter.
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15-12-2005, 15:59
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If you look at the legal definition given in the last post, then it could be said that in your friend's case the combat was not mutual, but was malicious because he was just beatin |