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Alcohol ban during songkran in the future... hmm...
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I am constantly amazed at the small minded petty; we know what we are doing etc attitue from the guys in charge in Thailand.

They live in a little bubble and know nothing in real terms.

It must be tough for guys with a business trying to make a living

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I am constantly amazed at the small minded petty; we know what we are doing etc attitue from the guys in charge in Thailand.

They live in a little bubble and know nothing in real terms.

It must be tough for guys with a business trying to make a living

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but the audacity of it all is they are the ones that own the after hour joints and such that benefit from bans
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I am constantly amazed at the small minded petty; we know what we are doing etc attitue from the guys in charge in Thailand.

They live in a little bubble and know nothing in real terms.

It must be tough for guys with a business trying to make a living

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Only the fact that after the first 3 days of Songkran there were 143 deaths reported of which the majority were alcohol related.... so yeah i guess they know nothing at all.....

As much as i disagree with some of the laws that be this is one i fully agree with, and if your a bar owner i'm sorry but a lot of lives saved is more valuable than a few baht profit.....and yes i am a drinker !!!!
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I find it very hard to understand how you ranted about the topless foreign tourist being murdered, but seem to think that it's OK to just carry on as normal even though 143 Thais have been killed during the 3 days of Songkran so far, 42% of which were due to alcohol. Emergency callouts have trebled compared to last year, but when the Thai government tries to do something about it, you claim they are being petty minded.

As I see it, they are trying to do something about reducing the road deaths during songkran and if banning alcohol sales proves to be the answer, then so be it.
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Only the fact that after the first 3 days of Songkran there were 143 deaths reported of which the majority were alcohol related.... so yeah i guess they know nothing at all.....



As much as i disagree with some of the laws that be this is one i fully agree with, and if your a bar owner i'm sorry but a lot of lives saved is more valuable than a few baht profit.....and yes i am a drinker !!!!
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As bad as the count of 143 is, it would be nice to know what it stands in relation to in order to fully gauge it.

All of the Songkran days are holidays and the count is shy of 50 per day.
What is the count on an average Saturday?
What is the count per day on other holidays?

Don't really expect anyone here to know, but to make a valid argument it should be.
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Road accident fatalities in Thailand...
1993 - 9,496 = 26.02 (per day)
1994 - 15,176 = 41.58
1995 - 16,727 = 45.83
1996 - 14,405 = 39.47
1997 - 13,836 = 37.91
1998 - 12,234 = 33.52
1999 - 12,040 = 32.99
2000 - 11,988 = 32.84
2001 - 11,652 = 31.92
2002 - 13,116 = 35.93
(source : School of Civil Engineering)

During year end festivities (Dec/Jan)...
2002/03 - 438 over 5 days = 87.6
(source : news report)

Songkran so far...
143 / 3 = 47.67
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That was for only Fri and Sat Days Diz

The current count is..

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Songkran death toll rises to 180

BANGKOK: -- A total of 76 people were killed and 1,103 others were injured in road accidents on Sunday, the third day of the 7-dangerous-day of Songkran festival, the Road Safety Monitoring Centre announced Monday.

Jaral Phakdeethanakul, permanent secretary for Justice Minister who is an official of the road safety centre, said 1,018 road accidents happened Sunday.

He said the accumulated death toll of the three first day of the seven dangerous period rose to 180.

He said 2,238 accidents happened from Friday to Sunday, in which 2,514 people were injured.

Jaral said drunk driving was still the main cause of the accidents and 84.18 accidents involved motorcycles.

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Even as a barowner I think an alcohol-ban for Songkran is a good idea. It might stop a bit of the madness..................

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The Dec/Jan (new year) figures were a bit of an eye opener for me. Even though I would assume the figures would be higher, it is still far higher than I would have expected.
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Banning alcohol sales will have little (if any) affect on # of deaths - the Thai's can easily brew their own rice liqueur and if you look at where the fatalities are highest it is the hickville towns - not tourist spots in particular.

Songkran is too long - 7 days holiday is inviting this mass lunacy - far better would be to reduce the Songkran holiday to 2 days (as is the New Year proper) then the likelihood of Thai's sinking into a 7 day alcoholic stupor would be diminished - and would give a shot in the arm for the nation's productivity.

An alcohol ban would also result in a hoarding of booze before the holiday - for both Thai's and tourists - such attempts at prohibition however well intentioned would not result in the desired effect IMO.
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Banning alcohol sales will have little (if any) affect on # of deaths - the Thai's can easily brew their own rice liqueur and if you look at where the fatalities are highest it is the hickville towns - not tourist spots in particular.

Songkran is too long - 7 days holiday is inviting this mass lunacy - far better would be to reduce the Songkran holiday to 2 days (as is the New Year proper) then the likelihood of Thai's sinking into a 7 day alcoholic stupor would be diminished - and would give a shot in the arm for the nation's productivity.

An alcohol ban would also result in a hoarding of booze before the holiday - for both Thai's and tourists - such attempts at prohibition however well intentioned would not result in the desired effect IMO.

Agree. Banning alcohol sales is not going to significantly reduce the number of deaths IMO. Everyone would just stock up beforehand and carry on as usual. The only ones hurting are the establishments and the tourists.

More police checkpoints would be the only solution. And checking for drunk drivers ALL YEAR AROUND. Now there's an idea. Point would be to TRY changing the mentality.
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All the road rules have to be enforced before there is going to be a significant fall in the road toll. Don't drink and drive, everyone on a bike should wear a proper helmet, not an icecream container, give way to pedestrians on zebra crossings, don't speed, stop at red lights, don't remove the seatbelts from taxis, one car per lane, a taxi license is not a F1 license ...

It's not fcuking rocket science. Life is too expendable in SE Asian countries. Lose a kid - just have another baby to replace it.

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