Lady drinks 200 baht

[marc26]

i am one of the biggest(foolish?) spenders i know, i just dont care most times
but to pay 5usd or more for a LD in thailand is ridiculous to me

[Frode10]

I would gladly pay 200 Baht for a LD as long as they don't scam me on the total bill. It's my choise to visit the bar and if I don't like the bar, the product or their prices I will of course not come back. For myself, I will always let the market decide what the right price is for a product, and if this bar is doing well, even if they charge 200 Baht for a LD, then I will give them a big applause and say; well done!
And if they are not doing so well, then you will soon see the bar for sale.

On the other hand, I have been to bars where I have bought LD's for many girls, and I have had no control about how many and if the bill in the end was correct. In some occasions I know they charged me for a lot more than the girls actually drank. At least the bars with a high price for LD's will tell you this if you ask, but the ones who scam you on the bill is actually stealing your money.

IMO, Frode

[geespot]

Originally Posted by Allybabba22

Well I suppose when you put it like that I must be a bit of a cheap charlie in some ways, I dont normally pay BF's, Just on the odd occasion, But unlike a lot of Italian guys I do pay the girls, You would also never catch me walking through the soi's with bottles of beer or whatever bought form the 7/11...

And as I pointed out already, I dont think you will find many cheap charlies spending the kind of money I have in a month... And I do basically spend money on fcuk all else when I am here other than drinking in the bars, I have no problem buying LDs, I tip people at every bar, restaurant, cleaners etc..etc.. all the time, Would never walk away without leaving a tip... But if you think I am a cheap charlie fair enough...

One thing though G, You seem to be really defending the prices this place is charging for things, And you know full well the expences involved in running a bar so not many could disagree with you...

But one thing that is really bugging me about your stance on this, If you really really agree with all this, Then why didnt you charge these prices at Love bar when you were there?

Surely if you think this is ok for them to do, Then you would have been doing it all along yourself? You must have been losing some money running Love bar by selling the drink there at a reasonble price

In no way am I defending this bar!!!

But I was trying to paint a picture for you to see its not as simple as some people might imagine in terms of costs

What I suppose Im calling into question is people coming on holiday and getting their nickers in a twist over 200 baht to buy a lady drink, it just aint the way im wired but at the end of the day there seems to be plenty people like that.

Would i charge 200 baht, no i wouldnt but thats a choice i would make on the basis of budget and what is a reasonable return for me, other bars may the situation differently

As i have drank with u plenty (jeez it hurt) I know u aint a cheap charlie but i find ur principals that bit different to mines in terms of BF's etc

At the end of the day if 200 baht per drink is too much to bear for customers then they will go elsewhere, but i suspect with this bar they wont

In my opinion Patong prices are on the up and its gonna be very difficult to halt that and other bars are gonna follow.............There are deffo inflationary pressures and it aint necesaarily profiteering

I have pointed out before there are even better ways to rip off customers which many BM's and other customers at bars seem happy to be taken a ride on

G

ps by the way the italy thing and soi crawling was ment as a bit of a joke

[marc26]

Originally Posted by geespot

In no way am I defending this bar!!!

But I was trying to paint a picture for you to see its not as simple as some people might imagine in terms of costs

What I suppose Im calling into question is people coming on holiday and getting their nickers in a twist over 200 baht to buy a lady drink, it just aint the way im wired but at the end of the day there seems to be plenty people like that.

Would i charge 200 baht, no i wouldnt but thats a choice i would make on the basis of budget and what is a reasonable return for me, other bars may the situation differently

As i have drank with u plenty (jeez it hurt) I know u aint a cheap charlie but i find ur principals that bit different to mines in terms of BF's etc

At the end of the day if 200 baht per drink is too much to bear for customers then they will go elsewhere, but i suspect with this bar they wont

In my opinion Patong prices are on the up and its gonna be very difficult to halt that and other bars are gonna follow.............There are deffo inflationary pressures and it aint necesaarily profiteering

I have pointed out before there are even better ways to rip off customers which many BM's and other customers at bars seem happy to be taken a ride on

G

ps by the way the italy thing and soi crawling was ment as a bit of a joke

well, as you certainly know im not a cheap charlie, i would probably not pay 200baht for a LD. thats basically the same price your paying at home

[mikegb]

Here is my take on it -

When you like the look of a bar, and you go and sit in it, instantly you get a girl come over to you with all the usual questions. Fine if you want that, but most of the time it is just anyone who latches on to you.
After a minute or two , they always flutter their eyes and ask "You buy me drink?" .
Its sometimes hard to say no, even if you know you aren't going to fcuk them later. So, you pay 200 baht for a drink for a girl who you dont know, and dont really want to know. You feel cheated.

I know the bar is there to make money, but I was always under the impression that the girls were there to entice you in so the bar made money from ALCOHOL sales.
The bar fine is paid because a girl is now out of the bar, and not able to entice people in .

I know 200 baht is not a fortune, but when you get hit for it in every bar you go in, its like drinking with the wife ! Your beer money budget has doubled .

I know you can always say 'no' but if you really like a girl you dont mind buying them a drink that they want.
Kevin (K2) has the best system - Whatever they want , plus 40 baht. The bar gets a customer, sells extra drink via the bar girl, and the bar girl gets a bit of the 40 baht extra.

Its not being a cheap charlie, its being sensible. By the time every thai person gets their tip it starts to become very expensive.

[jaxon]

Originally Posted by mikegb

Here is my take on it -

When you like the look of a bar, and you go and sit in it, instantly you get a girl come over to you with all the usual questions. Fine if you want that, but most of the time it is just anyone who latches on to you.
After a minute or two , they always flutter their eyes and ask "You buy me drink?" .
Its sometimes hard to say no, even if you know you aren't going to fcuk them later. So, you pay 200 baht for a drink for a girl who you dont know, and dont really want to know. You feel cheated.

I know the bar is there to make money, but I was always under the impression that the girls were there to entice you in so the bar made money from ALCOHOL sales.
The bar fine is paid because a girl is now out of the bar, and not able to entice people in .

I know 200 baht is not a fortune, but when you get hit for it in every bar you go in, its like drinking with the wife ! Your beer money budget has doubled .

I know you can always say 'no' but if you really like a girl you dont mind buying them a drink that they want.
Kevin (K2) has the best system - Whatever they want , plus 40 baht. The bar gets a customer, sells extra drink via the bar girl, and the bar girl gets a bit of the 40 baht extra.

Its not being a cheap charlie, its being sensible. By the time every thai person gets their tip it starts to become very expensive.

Hey Mike,

Help a newbie out here please!
I'll be travelling to Patong Sept 1st for the 1st time with the family. (We are going with two other families) Us guys will want to check out Bungla Road etc... but being that we are in LOS with the wife & kids we will want to tone it down a bit.
Lets say us three guys go out at night to some bars and want some BG company while we are at the bar, I guess it is a requirement to pay the bar fine for the BG's time but do you pay this only once at each bar and as soon as you get there?
What's the deal

[LivinLOS]

No just buy the girls drinks.. Paying the bar fine is for taking the girl out of the bar and the girl will assume that its then to lead on to sex.. In fact you may get her a little bit annoyed (not much) that she has wasted time trying to reel you in when your not going to butterfly..

So simply buy drinks.. Have a laugh and joke with the girs but also maybee drop hints into the joking of round eyed innocence 'ohh no I am married' etc while rolling your eyes and still playing about they wont care and it clears the issue and probably gets a laugh too..

Sometimes you might find you pay a bar fine to take a girl out of a bar to go on to a disco or elsewhere (this is a bit rarer but I have done it to GF's mates and things to let everyone have a laugh and a night off) but if you do this then definately make it clear that your paying the BF to give her time off NOT to go for sex.. Then she can still work on other hookups.. Otherwise as stated she would assume that you would be paying her out of the bar for your own company (all night)..

It will all become a lot more obvious while here.. Its not difficult.

[jaxon]

Awsome!!!

Looks like we can have a good time without getting hooked up.

Can't wait for Sept 1.

Thanks for the advice.

[Allybabba22]

Originally Posted by geespot

In no way am I defending this bar!!!

But I was trying to paint a picture for you to see its not as simple as some people might imagine in terms of costs

What I suppose Im calling into question is people coming on holiday and getting their nickers in a twist over 200 baht to buy a lady drink, it just aint the way im wired but at the end of the day there seems to be plenty people like that.

Would i charge 200 baht, no i wouldnt but thats a choice i would make on the basis of budget and what is a reasonable return for me, other bars may the situation differently

As i have drank with u plenty (jeez it hurt) I know u aint a cheap charlie but i find ur principals that bit different to mines in terms of BF's etc

At the end of the day if 200 baht per drink is too much to bear for customers then they will go elsewhere, but i suspect with this bar they wont

In my opinion Patong prices are on the up and its gonna be very difficult to halt that and other bars are gonna follow.............There are deffo inflationary pressures and it aint necesaarily profiteering

I have pointed out before there are even better ways to rip off customers which many BM's and other customers at bars seem happy to be taken a ride on

G

ps by the way the italy thing and soi crawling was ment as a bit of a joke

Yeah I understand where your coming from G, And I certainly did not get my knickers in a twist when I seen the price of the drink, I said nothing at all and just paid my bill, But now I know for future reference if I am gonna buy a drink at that bar again, She better be a stunner...5555555..

PS: I thought you were serious about the Italians, Because from what I have seen here that is not a million miles away from the truth, Also a lot of French guys aswell seem to be doing the same thing... Although you cant just put them all in the same box... There really does seem to be alot of them doing it....

PPS: At the end of the day, I think the real thing that is bothering me is that I really do love coming here and have a blast meeting up with the boys and hooking up with a few girls, But if prices keep on going up everywhere and people keep on paying them, Then I am just afraid it will become to expensive for me to come in future, Especially for the amount of time I come for now... You know my job is not the best paid job, Probably is only a fraction of what some of you guys make on this forum, And it took me 6months of breaking my bollox saving up for this holiday and the money is just flying out of my pocket, Dont get me wrong I am having a great time spending it but if the prices all go the same way, How long would I need to save for my next holiday?

[alibaba]

Originally Posted by geespot

G

ps by the way the italy thing and soi crawling was ment as a bit of a joke

MAYBE A BIT OF A JOKE BUT OH SO TRUE.
ONE OF MY PET HATES IN PATONG.
JUST I POINT BELOW TUK TUKS. AND PUNTERS WHO TREAT BGS. WITH DISRESPECT.

[LivinLOS]

Originally Posted by Allybabba22

But if prices keep on going up everywhere and people keep on paying them, Then I am just afraid it will become to expensive for me to come in future, Especially for the amount of time I come for now... You know my job is not the best paid job, Probably is only a fraction of what some of you guys make on this forum, And it took me 6months of breaking my bollox saving up for this holiday and the money is just flying out of my pocket, Dont get me wrong I am having a great time spending it but if the prices all go the same way, How long would I need to save for my next holiday?

Thats part of the knock on effect of the increased tourist numbers.. Numbers rise.. increased punters.. higher ground rents..

When wifey who was a phuket girl described growing up here it really blew me away.. no electric.. no tarmac roads.. this isnt 50 years ago more like 20..

Mates of mine remember when Nanai was a dirt road through the jungle with hardly anything on it.. that was probably 8 or 9 years ago.. I remember nanai being nothing like now.

When soi easy used to be the dark cavelike gropefest.. before Dragon was there.. When tiger went up (and was dead)..

The pace of change is just nuts.. with that it seems like increased numbers and in turn increased / westernized prices..

Still should stay cheaper but maybe not so much cheaper.

[syeatman]

Originally Posted by LivinLOS

Thats part of the knock on effect of the increased tourist numbers.. Numbers rise.. increased punters.. higher ground rents..

When wifey who was a phuket girl described growing up here it really blew me away.. no electric.. no tarmac roads.. this isnt 50 years ago more like 20..

I've met a guy here who moved over 25 years ago (1980/81), and he was describing what it was like and it was hard to imagine. Obviously no roads out of Patong other than a dirt road over to Kathu, and maybe a track of sorts to Karon.

Some of those pics posted a while back help to show how it all started...just wonder what it will look like in another 10 years??

[sundancekid]

All this talk about prices reminds me of this cheap charlie night me and a friend did awhile back. What we basically decided on was to get pissed, have fun, but not spend too much money.

We started up buying a big bottle of Sang Som at the supermarket, and took it to one of our regular bars. They were cool with it and we only paid for the sodas.

After a coupla hours we put the rest of the Sang Som into two “pocket bottles” (lommelerke in Norwegian) which fitted nicely into our sidepockets.

We then went to 7/11 and bought two beers each and headed up the stairs to Tiger and drank them outside all the while looking at the girls going into the disco.

Then Tai Pan, ordered some more sodas in glasses and just mixed in the Sang Som when in the toilet. Point was to move around a lot, so the staff didn’t notice the refill. Worked out great. Then the same routine at Safari, plus some extra beers. It all came in at about 600 baht each. Not bad for a 10 PM – 6 AM drinking / dancing session and a truckload of fun. Not something I would do very often though…

[syeatman]

Originally Posted by sundancekid

All this talk about prices reminds me of this cheap charlie night me and a friend did awhile back. What we basically decided on was to get pissed, have fun, but not spend too much money.

We started up buying a big bottle of Sang Som at the supermarket, and took it to one of our regular bars. They were cool with it and we only paid for the sodas.

After a coupla hours we put the rest of the Sang Som into two “pocket bottles” (lommelerke in Norwegian) which fitted nicely into our sidepockets.

We then went to 7/11 and bought two beers each and headed up the stairs to Tiger and drank them outside all the while looking at the girls going into the disco.

Then Tai Pan, ordered some more sodas in glasses and just mixed in the Sang Som when in the toilet. Point was to move around a lot, so the staff didn’t notice the refill. Worked out great. Then the same routine at Safari, plus some extra beers. It all came in at about 600 baht each. Not bad for a 10 PM – 6 AM drinking / dancing session and a truckload of fun. Not something I would do very often though…

Just the kind of customers Patong bar owners need

[sundancekid]

Originally Posted by syeatman

Just the kind of customers Patong bar owners need

Well… it was more like an experiment really (HONESTLY!). Don’t reckon anyone will go belly up due to our ONE night out (Ok my friend took a lady home that night / morning so I guess someone did… go belly up that is. And so did his “cheap charlie” budget…)

Common thing in Norway though, as the drinks are just so expensive.

Anyway, I stay here long-time (like you I guess), and frequent the bar scene on a regular basis. Sometimes I spend like there’s no tomorrow, but other times I need to restrain it a bit.

But say I did go out 2 times a week over the course of a year and spent only 400 baht each night in the bars / discos, that would amount to 41,600 baht a year. Then, if someone came here on a 2-week vacation, that would be 3,000 a day baht only in drinks. Regardless, don’t think any bar owners here would disapprove much of my presence

[geespot]

Originally Posted by syeatman

Just the kind of customers Patong bar owners need

How can you respond to this.................speechless

G

[syeatman]

Originally Posted by geespot

How can you respond to this.................speechless

G

I'm confused, it's getting late, do you mean how can you respond to my comment or what i was quoting??

[geespot]

Originally Posted by syeatman

I'm confused, it's getting late, do you mean how can you respond to my comment or what i was quoting??

sorry m8 responding to the quote

G

[sundancekid]

Originally Posted by geespot

How can you respond to this.................speechless

G

Oh dear. I spend ONE NIGHT OUT trying to see how far I could stretch it (in terms of money and still have a good time)… and that leaves you speechless?!! Jeez.

Let me ask you this then: As a former bar owner, would you NEVER let a regular customer bring in his own stuff once in awhile?

If you do have problem with this, I would gladly move on to another bar, coz there are plenty to choose from (and you would of course lose a customer that comes in about 2 times a week over the course of a year and most of the time spends plenty).

And if you don’t mind, well… what exactly is your problem?

[syeatman]

Originally Posted by sundancekid

Oh dear. I spend ONE NIGHT OUT trying to see how far I could stretch it (in terms of money and still have a good time)… and that leaves you speechless?!! Jeez.

Let me ask you this then: As a former bar owner, would you NEVER let a regular customer bring in his own stuff once in awhile?

If you do have problem with this, I would gladly move on to another bar, coz there are plenty to choose from (and you would of course lose a customer that comes in about 2 times a week over the course of a year and most of the time spends plenty).

And if you don’t mind, well… what exactly is your problem?

Well I just asked my gf who has worked in the bars up until a few weeks ago for over 3 years and described what you did that night...and (in her own words) you are a Cheap Charlie She has had customers come in the bar with their own liquor and they didn't bother to talk to them or make any effort with them.

If you did move on to another bar do you think they would also be happy for you to bring your own liquor? Would you do that back in a bar in US/EUR/Aus?? I doubt it.

[hlq2action]

Originally Posted by del boy

150 baht or 200 baht. Whats the difference? The difference is an extra £0.70 Uk sterling or $2.02 USD a drink to most of us. Are you really going to miss that? Its surely hardly a sum that most of us will notice, even when they start to add up. If only all 'rip offs' were so kind! Ok, I know that its the principle that counts and not the amount. But still, that said, if you start to call these amounts a rip off then put things in perspective! Maybe its different for those of you you live in Thailand and I appreciate that. But for the tourists, get over it. I wouldn't raise an eyebrow over a 200 baht lady drink. And I'm counting every penny in my savings for my next trip.

And after this i m called again cheap charlie?

[LivinLOS]

They probably would do that back in Norway or sweden.. Alcohol costs are so high people carry thier own bottles and drink off sales before going out.