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22-08-2006, 04:20
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ROCK HARD'S RANT- by Larry?
 To be clear you have to read the last two editions of Asia Bugle to understand what is going on.In the first episode the Prowler critised the girls in Rock Hard as boring.  The next issue of the Prowler contained an article by Big Bill who was the best manager they ever had who gave a very balanced account of things.  The owner ,I presme Larry,of the joint has now attacked on own his own web site all the adverse comments about his place.  I have a suggestion: - in the interest of fair play.Any person who in the last one year has attended both venues air their opinion. Lets see if Dragon does compare to Rock Hard.
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22-08-2006, 05:54
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OK I'll step up Crusty...........
not really a fan of gogo's as I always get trapped by the "ugly one" when I am just sitting ther nursing a vodka soda minow and having a lok around.......and in general most ae pretty lifeless....... But at least I can say that I have been in both places recently........earlier this month actually..... I haven't really seen a change in RockHard for many years.....I often call in for my first drink there each night as it's on the way to MTB and it makes the best vodka soda minow in Patong.....has real fresh lime juice!!!....oh and I also have a friend who works there and she often barfines herself and comes out playing pool and drinking with me....... In general the gals are pretty tired in there but who wouldn't be strapped to that chrome pole all night......it's not really a gogo IMHO...as NOTHING ever happens and they have had the same music in there for at leat the 7-8 years I have been poking my nose in there...... Dragon is altogether a different kettle of fishies......some good loking gals and plenty of atmosphere......but I always find myself looking at the gals who are dancing and mucking around waiting for their turn to dance rather than the ones actually up on stage......the music is better than RH and the gals are better looking...... Both get the thumbs down from me as I prefer a gogo to have something going on.......RH defo has nothing going on but Dragon has a bit of life to it!!!
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22-08-2006, 06:02
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22-08-2006, 06:39
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Zacly pableeeeew.....
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22-08-2006, 13:02
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Well i was in both places just recently, last week to be precise. Did both of them on the same day. I like to start off at rock hard as its not too busy early plus there's one girl thats great "eye candy". Never barfined a girl in RH, as when i was in there with a mate one of the girls quoted him a price of 3000 baht for LT and 2000 baht for ST. But i probably will barfine the one and ONLY girl IMHO that i think is worth the barfine. Not many good looking chicks in there i must say. A little different to 11 months ago when i could say the chicks in RH could compare to the ones in dragon. At the moment for me, Dragon is much better. As Nel said, more atmosphere, more going on. The girls in RH just stand around or when they're up on stage its like they don't know what their doing up there. I reckon i could do a similar job. Only then RH would have no customers at all
 I can break it done very simply. Service in dragon is better, because they have more staff to look after customers. Many times their service staff are very good looking as well. Unlike RH where their service staff generally i can't even look at. Ok maybe i'm being a little harsh but compared to dragon service staff, RH doesn't even come close. Music wise, i prefer dragon as well, although they do still play some questionable songs from time to time. But still better than RH where it feels like i hear the same song everytime i'm in there. Pool tables and pool cues are far superior in Dragon, i'm assuming its because dragon is newer than RH but still no excuses. What have i missed.... Oh yes, plus dragon does the foam show which is great to watch. So all in all my verdict is Dragon  and Rock hard  Although if you're not in there for too long Rock hard can be fun as well. Quote:
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22-08-2006, 14:32
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I am a RH fan, going there since 1991. Must say the standard of the girls went down a lot in the last year. Now Dragon girls deff. more sexy and beautifull.
Still prefer RH music above Dragon (maybe my age ). Waitresses are friendlier to me in RH, but that is because they know me. Still for me RH is now for me more a bar than a place to pick up girls.Crust, I think you made a small mistake. Larry fired Ira (and Big Bill). Ira was there a long time as manager, but worked mostly daytimes the last years, having wife and child. He also built 2 bungalows with seaview overlooking Patong and the sea, and tried to sell them. He was a very good manager i.m.o., but Larry thought he was to expensive (including a cut of the money in all changes Larry made in RH). That is what Larry told me he fired Ira (I went with him to MTB that evening). Personally, I would have liked it if Ira stayed. Big Bill is different. The last years you nearly never saw Bill anymore in RH. Started with comming every other day, then once a week, then even less. He only played music and drank with the customers. Can't say he did a good job as manager, was more like a PR.
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22-08-2006, 16:10
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Crappest shag in 15 months in patong- RH. Over priced and vastly underperfoming. Still good for a drop in tho as the music makes up for the lack of interest by the ladies. Dragon i find expensive living here ( B120 a beer but so is Taipan now), but the ladies are more comfortable going in there with you as they all seem to enjoy a more entertaining show. To each his own but I am unlikely to want to pick up in either place ( good job as my balls would be cut off anyway if she found out
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22-08-2006, 16:55
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I spent some time in both places last trip.
Now afterwards when I compare the two places, Dragon had the Stunners and prettiest service-girls, a special thanks to "Mem" an adorable girl with the cutest of smiles! The dancers in Rockhard did their strut in sexy street wear(coyotee-style)? The Dragon ladies showed more skin in their bikinis, but they also showed more "attitude"! Rockhard had the better music (being an old rocker). Dragon is way too loud and car-alarm dance music for my taste. The air is also fresher and cooler in Rockhard, the girls are more forward and are not afraid to approach you by themselves, seating is also more comfy specially the sofas under the windows. More athmosphere and things going on around you in Dragon though, with frequent shows to break up the GoGo dancing. plahgat 
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22-08-2006, 18:41
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I have tried Rock Hard 3 times, And on every time it was shite and I will never go in there again.. Music was ok but thats about it, The girls are below average and like some other guys said, They look tired and disinterested, And from what I heard to my astonishment was the girls are expensive which is crazy when you compare the girls to a lot of BGs around Patong... Its not an Agogo IMO...
Dragon is a much better place IMO.. Everything is Better.. Music, Girls and the whole atmosphere of the place...
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22-08-2006, 22:05
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My vote is for Rock Hard....
Eventhough I might admitt that things have changed and not always for the better at RH, Dragon does nothing for me. OK, it might have hard core girls who do a little show and want to go ST only. Not what I am looking for. Seating at Dragon does gets huge minus points, attitude of some (so not all!) staff increases those points. For me RH has more 'attitude' than D. Everybody his liking though.... As for management. Dragon was a better and more personal place for me with Ott being there every night. As for RH. I know Ira, evnthouigh not very good, and have to say he was the 'office force' who did not do a lot for the punters in the evening. Big Bill was in my opinion never management but more the local joker (saying that in a good way) and PR figure. Liked his style though. Jeff is still there and can be a good host from time to time, as Larry can be. With that say that they are not consistent good hosts..... Anyway, pop in Dragon so once in a while to see if my opinion is still carrect, as for Rock Hard, where I will never be the spender as before but just a happy returning customer.
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23-08-2006, 20:50
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Talbotman
HAVE ONLY BEEN IN each place 1 time dont think a second visit to either will be coming shortly the music in rock hard is great but thats where it ends dragon is too expensive and it does nothing for me.
but i am not a great fan of go go bars at nightime anyway (except in bangkok where i am a soi cowboy regular) in pattaya i tend to go to go go bars in the afternoon (nevada,p/rock,classroom,mistys,kittens) only go go i will be visiting in patts at nightime is coyotee i went there on my last night in patts in july some stunning girls in there best b/fine i had was from coyottee i would have kept her for longer time if i had not been going to huahin
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23-08-2006, 21:40
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24-08-2006, 03:11
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" reply ? Nope. I could care less, and you can print that . I don't waste my time on bloody bbs's or whatever they are called these days. Larry The Asshole"
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24-08-2006, 10:08
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Well whether he cares or not kinda shows how much he bothers about perceptions, marketing etc..
His net savvy fits with his musical selection.. Dinosaurs become extinct..
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25-08-2006, 12:04
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girls can be found anywhere...the music is the most important thing and for me, RH is tha bomb...
listening to some of the oldest,greatest tunes ever made (loudly!) whilst drinkin' cold beer and looking @ semi-nude birds dancing after a hard day of diving makes visiting LOS worthwhile...some of you blokes are waaaay too jaded....
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25-08-2006, 15:40
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You got that right. Incidentaly -Tim the Baron Bonk editor was just in town and visited Rock Hard and spoke personally to Larry.They know each other from way back. I believe that any review should be looked at as customer feed back.The owner does not have to react but sometimes an outsiders view may high light something that could be adjusted. 
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06-09-2006, 00:32
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The End of Larry's Rants
Hi, this is Larry, not "Larry's mouthpiece". Just so you you kind readers understand, I took down most of my website becayse I got sick of whining-ass complainers. Rumors abound, but the truth is, I own the whole mother-fck'n place. American Company with 99.999% of the shares in my personal name. I have sincere plans to keep this little shithole, and make it better than it is. I will not be putting comments up again. Wankers don't like me, they can suck some Katoey's ****, not mine. I'm not angry, and I actually appreciate all of the comments my buddy has forwarded to me from PH-NFO. I have no time to read it. What my "web Guy" was surprised about actually, was that by removing 90% of my site and (non) publishing it as static, threw away 2000 hits a day. So? ****ING WHAT? I am the furthest thing from a computer nut, and have NO idea what the hell to do with so-called tarffic. Everyone: Have a nice life. Larry. Love you long time XXXX ;-)
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06-09-2006, 00:34
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Have a nice life? Not Angry? WTF are you on about?
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06-09-2006, 09:18
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It may well be Swishtz meant to post something directly from Larry but worded it (very) poorly but saying 'I am Larry' etc.. I am guessing Swishtz is Larrys web maintainer.
Anyway.. RH is about the only (large) gogo (well some of the seadrogon ones) I never go in.. Always had mediocre experiences there. Change the music, change the girls attitudes, change the resting on location laurels and I would happily add it to the walking about list. Also I thought those treaty of Amnity 100% US companys got phased out due to WTO issues ??
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06-09-2006, 11:16
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Thank you for the wonderful piece of "Customer Relations" , people expressed their views which on the whole were constructive about what needed to be done to bring the place back to it's "old self". All your replies have done is show that it is possibly your attitude that has rubbed off on the rest of the staff , "don't give a toss about the punters , just get their cash !!!". Now , if anyone asks if they should visit , instead of saying "up 2 you" , my reply will be "give it a miss and go somewhere where you are welcome , NOT just your cash". Last edited by faultytowers; 06-09-2006 at 13:01.
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06-09-2006, 14:03
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Larry the owner "claims himself to be an asshole" and he has proven himself correct! Rock Hard and Rio have suffered heavily in the last months.. Every time I have visited the place in the past months I have had a problem.....once in Rio the food I ordered was served to another customer at the next table....I had to wait 40 minutes for my food to be reordered!!! An Other time I was ripped off in the change I recieved back from the staff at Rock Hard I NEVER can find any manager( Is there one?) in either place, and the staff is no help. I suggest to give this place a pass the....It has seen its better days, the the owner Larry could care less!
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06-09-2006, 16:11
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I know some of the staff at Rio quite well, as any boardmembers who know me, would realise anyway, as i can spend alot of time during the day there. I have no opnion on Rock HArd as I have never been there (Don't like Go Go's!). The staff in Rio are very laid back, which I like. But this can cause a problem with the service. I have been there when many a customer has become irate due to what they percieve as bad service. But from my point of view, its not bad service, its just not Western standard service. From which I mean the there is no 'rush rush rush' and the day manager does not make her self seperate from the rest of the staff. Im not trying to Yank bash, but this is very true with alot of newbie Americans, who from what I see live in a very much a service society back home and imply there on standards on the rest of the world. So when the waitress gets asked "Is that Spanish rice or chinease rice?", they don't have a clue what they are talking about (Nor do I!). So Thai's being Thai's, they just nod and say yes in most cases, or ignore the question. Of course when the food comes, the customer complains more. In the end I left due to the shouting that was going on, and the agression of these customers to staff and onlookers trying to help. I myself, have never had 'bad service' in Rio that I can remember. But that my be because most of the girls know me so well now that the first people that say hello when I reach PAtong, are the Rio girls when I get out of the taxi on the opposite side of the road! Or maybe its because I dont have that mile high expectations with service in non 4-5 star hotel restaraunts? Could Larry improve this service? Yes, but its costs alot more to higher a western manager all the time (I will forward my CV!), or a Thai who can speak and understand English!
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06-09-2006, 16:21
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Never had problems with staff in Rio or Rock Hard, with the exception of one time in Rio the girl was impolite. Told it to the manager and problem solved.
I agree with sishow. Staff in Thailand is not to be compared to Western World, but they don't get the same wages, be it in a restaurant or hotel (even sometimes at the hotel reception). But then there is enough staff to compensate for their "slowness"...and they are more polite and friendlier (showing a big smile) than in our countries.
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06-09-2006, 17:37
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06-09-2006, 17:52
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If the place is misunderstood then yourself and Larry have done nothing to clear the matter up.
People will go wherever they please and coming on here ranting and raving because some people choose to go elsewhere is pretty pointless.
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06-09-2006, 18:29
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While I love go-go bars, there's nothing in Patong that really works for me so I just don't bother. IMHO Dragon is a barn and I don't like the music, but there are some lovely ladies in some good outfits. Rock Hard has better music (showing my age I guess) and some nice ladies but I don't rate their oufits. If I do wander in, its usually with friends and I generally end up sitting and talking (and drinking) with Larry or Jeff and rarely even look at the stage.
I like both of the guys and have known them both for years. I believe they really do want to have the best place in town but I guess Patong is never going to go back to the "good old days" - witness the closing of Flash. On that basis, I believe we're really talking about apples and oranges. Its just a nice place to sit around, play pool and ogle the ladies if that's what you want. Larry would be the first to admit that he is computer (or web) illiterate, and I know for a fact that Jeff is (because I once sat down with him and poked around in their website showing him how reciprocal links worked and tried to explain why text links are better than graphics). They have a website which is entertaining, and I include the feedback/comments page in that, and that's all they want. Neither of them really know or worry very much about what is said elsewhere on the net. After all, opinions are like a piece of string - every yo yo has one. Put a name or a face to your opinion and tell them; they are not adverse to feedback from customers. Disclaimer: DB has nothing to do with Rock Hard. I have been drinking in that building since it was known as Raging Bull, through Dooleys, Peppermint, Rock Hard etc, but still would not claim to be a regular. One last thing: I know Big Bill well and he always used to make a big deal of greeting me if he was on the mike when I wandered in. A great entertainer, but not ever a manager!
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06-09-2006, 18:55
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06-09-2006, 19:19
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I think Rio is nice and I like the staff and find the service to be pretty good for Patong. The food was ok as well.
I'm not impressed with the gogo though but Phuket is not strong in gogo's anyways.
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06-09-2006, 22:34
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people give excuses for service, saying its not the west, but in most cases, its just outright laziness, pure and simple i saw it 1st hand at wet willy's day in and day out for almost a year. the girls would sit around and play cards all day and if they had more then 2 customers in the palce theyd start to pout that theyd have to do work, and they werent unique when it comes to service in thailand
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