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07-12-2006, 03:15
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How do some make it ?
Visited Patong during the week of Oct 18/06. I was new to the area and unfortunately didn't make it to MTB. This oversight will definitively be corrected when I return in May (hopefully).I noticed that some ladies being less popular than others might find making their monthly commitments (rent, phone, etc) difficult. So the question: . Does the girl received a minimum wage for working at a bar or does it wages totally consist of commission from LD and activities resulting after being bar fined? Any info would be appreciated. Thanks
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#2
07-12-2006, 03:31
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Depends from bar to bar. Some girls are on a salary( long time staff and cashiers usually). The others take a share on the ladydrinks and what they can make on barfines and the generosity of their evenings company.
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07-12-2006, 03:44
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2 different types of bars to be considered, agogo and bar beer.
In agogo's all staff are on salary. In bar beers not all staff are on salaries, mainly only cashier, bartender and maybe a few others, but not all. They rely on LD commissions and BF's.
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07-12-2006, 04:31
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Not sure how correct this is but....
My little friend said it was 300Bht per night in a Tiger Complex Bar for dancing 9pm - 2am plus LDs and after hours private work
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07-12-2006, 05:18
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Some get paid for dancing depends on the agreement with the bar owner.
They can get by on very little if they have to, living in cheap accomodation sometimes 3 or more to a room, they stick together to help each other out when they can.
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07-12-2006, 05:31
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Spot on River.
I would say that there is more common in Tiger to pay dancers/girls than in any other soi, most bars dont pay anything at all except for the ladydrinks and the barfines. Gogo bars is a different matter thought, as Stevem pointed out. Quote:
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07-12-2006, 12:26
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I must say that it makes me feel very sorry for some of these bar girls who have to work in beer bars.
Having no certainty of income everytime they go to work and with most if not all bar owners refusing to pay a small minimum salary for the girls must put a fair degree of stress on them. I mean if they are working as a BG then there must be a money problem so having no guaranteed income - even a very small one- must make them worry alot. Its a hard world for many and I think for us tourists well for me at least.........I think it would be horrible if the tables were turned and I had to endure the "working conditions" that these BG's endure. Always treat these girls nice they deserve at least that
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07-12-2006, 12:42
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i treat these girls very nice but dont want to sound harsh, some of these girls that never get a customer or drinks really should just go get a job working somewhere. like a real job. at least its steady income
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07-12-2006, 14:02
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Bg's in Patong are well off, compared to other tg's I've seen around the country.
Without sounding harsh either, it's a big mistake to feel sorry for them. They have survived without you in the past & they will continue to survive long into the future when you're not there.
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07-12-2006, 14:10
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7/11 girl about 4k per month..
Seamstress up north about 4k - 6k for 12 hours 7 days a week.. Policeman 5k per month starting up to 12k per month (before bribes) Massage girl I was talking to reckons about 60k per month giving extras.. All needs to be put in perspective..
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07-12-2006, 14:59
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To a certain extend I agree with Marky and Marc26. While in Patong and talking to my girl, I got a lot of ideas confirmed and learned more of their world. From their emotional perspective, it is quite hard to get into this world. Like somebody else mentioned, they share shitty rooms to save on their monthly expenses. I saw one of those. So most of them can send as much money home as possible.
Also don't forget that some people may treat them like a real toy and others give them a nice time. I think I can honestly say that I treated my girl correctly and gave her more than fair money for all she did for me giving me a nice time. But on the other hand it is their job and compared to other jobs, I think that the average BG make a reasonable salary based on Thai averages. And like Marc26 mentioned, they should find out quick enough, if they are so popular that they can survive. If not then they better look for another job.
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07-12-2006, 16:01
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For Me i do not feel sorry for alot of them.
How many times have you heard, i not like work bar. Well i've been trying to find an office worker and some bar girls , massage girls i've said so want normal job 15-20 thousand. Well im still looking. They would still rather do all the extra's on the side then have a normal job and work for a living. Even the Contacts i've asked to look, there boyfriends are keen for them to change jobs from a cashier etc but when the offer comes the excuses i've had. The latest one is she's afraid to go up and down patong hill on her moped to kathu. So long as the boyfriends sponsors her and she doesn't have to get a real job and work then shes happy. Baz
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07-12-2006, 16:29
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Thats not unreasonable ... seeing the amount of carnage on that road ... it must be one of the worlds most dangerous roads ... seen crashed trucks, cement mixers, coaches, cars, and of course dozens of motor cycles and in heavy rain its lethal ... I'd never let my Mrs ride that hill. As far as the original post ... seen the BG life form all angles (other than living it) .... I dont think any of us BM's could live in such conditions. Without education, no much by way of job options for the single Mom knocked up and abandoned by her teen boyfriend. I think most BG's live very tough lives and while the money that tourists bring can warp them, still think that its a short existance before burn out or health problems. For me all the girls get a salery - but dancers comand the highest saleries and how many of us could dance 5 hours day in day out. The girls rely on drink commissions for daily food etc, and the monthly salery in majority of cases gets sent back to support other family members or their kids. Sure there are a lot of sob stories but all in all its one harsh life and I'm happy to see any of the girls find happiness. There are a few girls who are really into the money, sex side of things, but not many - it are this few that make the most money - often also can speak the best english (of other language).
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07-12-2006, 20:56
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as far as room conditions. i hear people always saying they see these bad rooms the girls live in
well, that may be just by choice, maybe they are not as hygenic as other girls i've been in plenty of very nice bg rooms it is only one room rooms, but they have been nicely fitted and clean
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07-12-2006, 21:24
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Agree with marc.. I used to always stay one month on my vacations in a BG room.. Wifey would arrange for other girls to share and we took over thier room.. Toilet wasnt even in the room but out and down the hall.. Only thing that annoyed me was no hot water to shave.. This was our vacations from me making huge money in Europe, driving round in flash motors, it wasnt a money thing.. It was how she wanted to spend her holiday..
Also while it may sound patronizing its not bad when viewed in how they have grown up.. When they have lived in a wooden shack.. slept 6 to a bed.. Only got an outside rain water bowl bathroom.. And then you have a room in Patong, cieling fan, fridge, on suite bathroom, tiled floor, etc etc etc.. Its not so bad.. Also quite honestly when I was young I lived in some rough places.. I spent times living in cars and vans, I had nowhere to live when I was 16 ish.. Even slept rough a bit.. I dont consider myself badly off, I had a home I could have gone back to (but too stubborn to do so).. But a BG room would not be worse than places I have lived at times.. Feel much more sorry for the Burmese who are living in the tin shacks next to construction sites and totally abused and ripped off by the Thais that employ them..
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07-12-2006, 22:03
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Oh.. I am not complaining about the fact the room was not clean. It was very clean for sure! But I actually meant to say that it was small and not really suitable (in my opinion) for 3 people. The girls however, did make an effort to create a nice space for themselves. Each of them had a small place for themselves for their own things etc. Fortunately, my girl and her room mates could get along very well and help each other whenever necessary. That is the positive side and also in this way they could save on costs and send more money home for their children and/or family. But I gues nobody of us would really like to live in such circumstances, I guess. That is what I was trying to mention.
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07-12-2006, 22:16
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Interesting thread.
I've actually wondered about this subject myself. On my last trip, I went to the same bar every night. I witnessed several girls 'empty handed' at 2am, every single night! Some would attract the occassional customer who would stay for a while for a drink or two, before moving on. As many of these girls are not paid a guaranteed salary, they are effectively 'self employed', in that their income is largely dependant on their own ability to attract customers. And being self employed (anywhere in the world) offers a much better potential income if you do well, compared to a guarenteed, but modest income working for someone else. Thats the risk you take. And is working in a beer bar so bad compared to the alternatives? Working shorter shifts, the girls get to hang out with their friends, have a laugh, a chat, a drink and a dance. They get to meet and talk to new, interesting people all of the time (eg, BM's!!!!!). They get to pick and choose who they go with after hours, if with anyone. I'm sure that a seasoned BG probably has a good instinct after chatting to a customer, to who is likely to treat them well and to those who are not. I'm sure their friends are happy to chip in with advice also. I don't pretend to believe that its a pleasant job for the girl, or a job without risks. But maybe the alternative is 12 hours a day, every day, slaving away in a sweatshop for a pittance. And I've been back to a few girls apartments and I am yet to see the squalor that some of these girls have been said to live in. I've no doubt that some girls do, but I'm yet to see it for myself. And while what we spend in a night in LOS is what some locals earn in a month, don't forget the dual pricing system that exists for the farangs and locals. How much cheaper that is, I honestly don't know. Perhaps, most importantly, this job may just be a means to an end. The chance to meet a rich farang who will take care of the family. And family comes first to these girls.
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07-12-2006, 22:23
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i cant tell you how many nights its been my, my gf, and a random friend of hers sleeping all in my gf's bed and its not sexual. most times, the other girl's rooomate was out of town or hooked up and the girl didnt want to sleep alone they are use to sleeping in groups
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07-12-2006, 23:13
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08-12-2006, 02:12
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Agree with you 100%. Yes many rooms are small compared to our expectations but in some everything is spotless and all pocessions placed in neat order. Its a pride thing in my view. Regardless of where you live and what you do it costs very little to be clean, neat and tidy....just time, effort and self esteem. I have an offer to stay in BG room on my next trip and I can't see a reson why not to take up the offer. On the other hand I got "lost" leaving Talbotman at KN hotel last trip and ended up down a corridor trying to find a way to beach road, passed a corridor of rooms and they were "stinking" couldn't stay there...  Also gotta agree with LIL comment on the Burmese workers, they work hard and live hard. Wven to see the working conditions of the civil engineering and building labourers as you walk around is upsetting....those guys and girls are the tough cookies!
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08-12-2006, 02:21
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i would tell you to stay in the bg's room for a few days if you never have you just see a different side of the girls outside the bar. also, you will make the bg's day if you stay in her room, will give her great pride to host, at least thats been my impression im an old regular at my gf's room and have known all her friends for 3 years, but even as a new addition, you will be well looked after and have alot of sanuk with the girls PS-hope your not looking for privacy, because if it is anything like my 2 gf's rooms, their friends are in and out, with the door open at all times, which i have a blast with
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08-12-2006, 02:26
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