Western Ladies in Phuket

[dawsey]

Originally Posted by So-cal

Why the hell dont you western ladies stick up for yourselves instead of trying to dodge the criticism that you are facing?

I get the feeling that no amount of "sticking up for themselves" as you put it, would convince you of any of a western womans attributes anyway. Most of the critisism seems to be coming from you anyway.
Having trouble getting a western woman that likes you maybe?
It appears to me,that you have been rejected too many times back home. Very strange for someone your age to be so anti western. There has to be a good reason for this, or are you just jumping on the bandwagon?

[perky]

Originally Posted by bowhunter

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Perky
Its not the way western girls look its more to do with the way most NOT ALL think we as males have to prove our worthiness to get into there pants
and after 30 + years of this I'm tired

See right there is where we differ, that's not what it's about for me at all. I know I'm probably alone with that on this forum but there you go.

[Petter]

Perky
Its not the way western girls look its more to do with the way most NOT ALL think we as males have to prove our worthiness to get into there pants
and after 30 + years of this I'm tired

nja,pay for it home and i cant see the diffrence

But maybee you have a problem with girls home

This anti western girls thing is quite funny,whats the problem??

[Dupree00]

Western woman have gained much gender power in the last 50 yrs. They have their own money and are much more open sexually than their 1950's predecessors.

In their quest for equality they have become men with tits. Attaining a lot of men's not so admirable characteristics.

With the technology of the cell phone they can do whatever they please without some man knowing their every move.

They don't need to depend on a man anymore.

Maybe underneath the western man is not attracted to that loss of power.

Just my armchair theory. I have no statistics to back it up.

[Mav]

l think that a lot of the guys that "bash" Western women do so bcoz they have a poor track record of pulling them.

So Cal is probably not in the catergory given his age......his problem is more of a lack of maturity one....he is 23 going on 14.

[So-cal]

Originally Posted by perky

I tend to feel that it is pointless trying to argue with someone who clearly has made up his mind about the matter. It's just not worth my time to try to convince the more embittered members of this board that western women aren't all bad. I don't know what kind of women y'all have dated but looks like there are some *****es on wheels around - glad I haven't met them.

Honestly, threads like this one should give everyone a clue why there aren't more female members on this board... why go where we aren't wanted? I guess you guys need a place to bash women unhindered. And as much as Thai women are praised here, I've seen quite a few threads where they get the same treatment...

I stick around mostly because I read the threads that actually have some information value to me since I live here. It's not necessarily nice for example to read messages that imply my fiance is an idiot for picking a western woman, but if that's how someone feels then fine, carry on, not my problem.

Live and let live, eh.

Why did you even respond? You paint the picture that im a total a-hole and that i shouldnt even be on here. Did i do that to you?

[So-cal]

Originally Posted by dawsey

I get the feeling that no amount of "sticking up for themselves" as you put it, would convince you of any of a western womans attributes anyway. Most of the critisism seems to be coming from you anyway.
Having trouble getting a western woman that likes you maybe?
It appears to me,that you have been rejected too many times back home. Very strange for someone your age to be so anti western. There has to be a good reason for this, or are you just jumping on the bandwagon?

haha. Just the opposite. I have dumped and never been dumped. I wish i was dumped, then i wouldnt have the job of breaking the heart which sucks.

[So-cal]

Originally Posted by Mav

l think that a lot of the guys that "bash" Western women do so bcoz they have a poor track record of pulling them.

So Cal is probably not in the catergory given his age......his problem is more of a lack of maturity one....he is 23 going on 14.

dupree has a good point. You are old enough that you don t see what is goin on. There is way more female young offenders then ever, girls fight more, swear more and act like men more then ever. Going on a date these days is like going out with my 14 year old brother. Swearing burping smoking going on the whole time, it makes me sick. Im not bashing them, i just wish they were more practical. If men dont make women realise what they are putting them through then were does it stop?

[bowhunter]

Originally Posted by Mav

l think that a lot of the guys that "bash" Western women do so bcoz they have a poor track record of pulling them.

So Cal is probably not in the catergory given his age......his problem is more of a lack of maturity one....he is 23 going on 14.

I have no problem pulling them that's the problem because eventually the F*** me over end up wasting years of my life and i cant afford that anymore as for So Cal do we pick on him because of his comments or because he's 23 i don't agree with every thing he say;s but i wish i had learnt my lesson by 23 I would have saved a lot of money and i could retire in LOS NOWWW

[Johnny69]

Originally Posted by Dodger

Heh JoKr go easy on So-cal he is only a boy and finding his way in the world. 55555555555555!!!

You know you are right when they lower themselves to pers insults So-cal.

J69

[Johnny69]

Originally Posted by Harsin

no, I was not pissed off




wrong again, there is a big difference between obvious generalisations about objects AND skin colour or race

Ok hows this "Most people from Africa have black skin" is that a racist statement or a fair generalisation? Not liking western women due to their attitude is not racist. Perhaps it Attitudism, either way everyone has a right to be happy and have preferances. Some may not be attracted to Asians physically, that does not make them racist, its racist when they lower the target groups "rights" based on race. so not employing someone based on race is racism, but not marrying someone based on race is freedom of choice. Or are you going to force people to marry a race they are not attracted too in order to stop their percieved racism? Or force hetro men to have sex with gay men as a form of affirmative action? Point is we all have the right to choices and preferances, if some don't like Western women based on their attitude, percieved or otherwise, then its their right, its not racist.

J69

[Johnny69]

Originally Posted by perky

I tend to feel that it is pointless trying to argue with someone who clearly has made up his mind about the matter. It's just not worth my time to try to convince the more embittered members of this board that western women aren't all bad. I don't know what kind of women y'all have dated but looks like there are some *****es on wheels around - glad I haven't met them.

Honestly, threads like this one should give everyone a clue why there aren't more female members on this board... why go where we aren't wanted? I guess you guys need a place to bash women unhindered. And as much as Thai women are praised here, I've seen quite a few threads where they get the same treatment...

I stick around mostly because I read the threads that actually have some information value to me since I live here. It's not necessarily nice for example to read messages that imply my fiance is an idiot for picking a western woman, but if that's how someone feels then fine, carry on, not my problem.

Live and let live, eh.

Typical cop out, turn it back on those who don't choose you. If a person is not attracted to you, then first thing is look at yourself. There is something about you they are not attracted too. Be it looks, culture, attitude or even race. But it does not mean that they have a problem, they are just being true to themselves. If another person is diametrically opposed to us and does not fulfill or needs, then why be with them. its not about bashing women, just about choice, I hope all Western women have a great life, it just won't be with me. I wish them no ill will, but I am free to articulate why I reject them.

If a man for example wants a traditional wife, who cooks and cleans, raises the children (one of the toughest jobs on the planet for which parents both male and female don't get enough credit), a wife who is happy to let him be the dominant one etc. then he is entitled to want that.

Can he force a women into that, no he cannot, but if he finds a women that is willing to be what he wants, and he what she wants, then there is nothing wrong with it.

There is nothing wrong with wanting a subserviant wife or husband, finding it is the challenge.

J69

[perky]

Originally Posted by So-cal

Why did you even respond? You paint the picture that im a total a-hole and that i shouldnt even be on here. Did i do that to you?

I responded to your message asking why we don't "stick up for ourselves", to give my personal explanation. If you read the message properly, you might notice that it wasn't directed at you only, you just happened to be the one to ask the question. I'm also not saying you should not be on here - I was just pointing out why women might find this forum not worth bothering with.

[Johnny69]

Originally Posted by perky

I responded to your message asking why we don't "stick up for ourselves", to give my personal explanation. If you read the message properly, you might notice that it wasn't directed at you only, you just happened to be the one to ask the question. I'm also not saying you should not be on here - I was just pointing out why women might find this forum not worth bothering with.

Like the Devo song says "Freedom of choice, is what you got!"

J69

[Dodger]

Originally Posted by Johnny69

You know you are right when they lower themselves to pers insults So-cal.

J69

Oh tetchy, so what is personally insulting about my statement Mr Always Right???

So cal is 23, so can be referred to as a boy, because we all have opinions on when a boy matures into a man. From his posts he is displaying his immaturity and lack of worldwide knowledge, so finding his way in the world. My post could also be seen as defending so-cal, and maybe not seen as a personal insult?

Has that little Englishman chip on your shoulder decided to focus on me? Ahhhhh didums.

You know what I find great about this discussion forum, when I have a strong opinion on something and someone else has the opposite opinion, we discuss it and put our points forward, sometimes getting heated but at the end of it I have time to re-think about the subject and re-consider with the other persons input and come back and feel heh I think they have changed my opinion on that subject. You on the otherhand spend all yout time telling everyone they are wrong, listen to J69 the voice of the forum!!

Whatever I feel about a subject, this is a forum, a place for opinions and information, its not personal and i never carry anything over from one day to the next. I never fall out with anyone here, this is not real life, if I want to fall out with someone I do so face to face and it would be about something happening in the real world.

[Johnny69]

Originally Posted by Dodger

Oh tetchy, so what is personally insulting about my statement Mr Always Right???

So cal is 23, so can be referred to as a boy, because we all have opinions on when a boy matures into a man. From his posts he is displaying his immaturity and lack of worldwide knowledge, so finding his way in the world. My post could also be seen as defending so-cal, and maybe not seen as a personal insult?

Has that little Englishman chip on your shoulder decided to focus on me? Ahhhhh didums.

You know what I find great about this discussion forum, when I have a strong opinion on something and someone else has the opposite opinion, we discuss it and put our points forward, sometimes getting heated but at the end of it I have time to re-think about the subject and re-consider with the other persons input and come back and feel heh I think they have changed my opinion on that subject. You on the otherhand spend all yout time telling everyone they are wrong, listen to J69 the voice of the forum!!

Whatever I feel about a subject, this is a forum, a place for opinions and information, its not personal and i never carry anything over from one day to the next. I never fall out with anyone here, this is not real life, if I want to fall out with someone I do so face to face and it would be about something happening in the real world.

What a gas you are, at 23 he is legally defined as a man, your inferance was that he was a boy and therefore knew nothing, especially not as well as you. I don't think anyone is wrong perse, just that what they say is wrong for me. But nice try at a peer group play, but it don't work on me, you can get everyone to agree with you and disagree with me, it won't effect me, I am above group pressure. A million people can tell me my opinion is wrong, but will still make up my own mind, its called being true to yourself and seeing.

Peace Out

J69

[perky]

Originally Posted by Johnny69

Typical cop out, turn it back on those who don't choose you.

That makes me giggle. Do I want you to choose me? That's such a funny attitude, as if you (and others who offer this argument) are god's gift to womankind. I'm not saying you're not a great guy, I don't know you, but to say that you must entertain some mighty high ideas about yourself.

Originally Posted by Johnny69

If a person is not attracted to you, then first thing is look at yourself. There is something about you they are not attracted too. Be it looks, culture, attitude or even race. But it does not mean that they have a problem, they are just being true to themselves. If another person is diametrically opposed to us and does not fulfill or needs, then why be with them. its not about bashing women, just about choice, I hope all Western women have a great life, it just won't be with me. I wish them no ill will, but I am free to articulate why I reject them.

Sure. Did you read my other message where I said I really don't give a crap who anyone fancies? I only object to generalisations in the order of "all western women are bad/fat/pissed off because I don't fancy them/whatever".

Originally Posted by Johnny69

If a man for example wants a traditional wife, who cooks and cleans, raises the children (one of the toughest jobs on the planet for which parents both male and female don't get enough credit), a wife who is happy to let him be the dominant one etc. then he is entitled to want that.

Of course. Did I say otherwise?

Originally Posted by Johnny69

Can he force a women into that, no he cannot, but if he finds a women that is willing to be what he wants, and he what she wants, then there is nothing wrong with it.

There is nothing wrong with wanting a subserviant wife or husband, finding it is the challenge.

Johnny69, I must have hit some sore spot somewhere but your post is really not even relevant to what I was saying. I don't have a problem with you guys going for Thai ladies. Whatever, it doesn't concern me in any way. I do however sometimes have a problem with the general attitudes expressed on this forum, because I find them demeaning to women, and not just western women. That's all.

[perky]

Originally Posted by Johnny69

Like the Devo song says "Freedom of choice, is what you got!"

J69

Yep. Took me a while to get involved here in any way, usually I just skip the posts that annoy me... I do think that quite a few women are excercising that freedom by not being here, I choose to stick around for the good stuff.

[Johnny69]

Originally Posted by perky

That makes me giggle. Do I want you to choose me? That's such a funny attitude, as if you (and others who offer this argument) are god's gift to womankind. I'm not saying you're not a great guy, I don't know you, but to say that you must entertain some mighty high ideas about yourself.

Not talking about me, just rejection of Western Women in general. I did not say I was gods gift to anyone let alone women.

Sure. Did you read my other message where I said I really don't give a crap who anyone fancies? I only object to generalisations in the order of "all western women are bad/fat/pissed off because I don't fancy them/whatever".

Not all just the majority, hence a fair and accurate generalisation.



Of course. Did I say otherwise?



Johnny69, I must have hit some sore spot somewhere but your post is really not even relevant to what I was saying. I don't have a problem with you guys going for Thai ladies. Whatever, it doesn't concern me in any way. I do however sometimes have a problem with the general attitudes expressed on this forum, because I find them demeaning to women, and not just western women. That's all.

Well its freedom of speech, its not a crime to reject someone or to think lesser of them. There are methods to control what is said or produced in the various mediums. But ultimately you cannot police thoughts. Better for western women to know what some think of the majority of them. The truth will set you free. Western men are not happy with western women (generally), thats a fact, what either side does about it is up to the individuals. But no one likes bad press even when its accurate.

Peace Out Again.

J69

[Johnny69]

Here is a little quote from a different forum which shows the attitude of disenfranchised western women towards men who are attracted to asian women and not them:

"u must be one of those rare white men with small penises. Trying to get a tiny hole so youll feel better? Fu5vking asian women is like fu%cking kids get a white woman u pedo."

Is it sour grapes, jealous of the tight hot anatomy of most asian girls. So they try and stigmatise those who are attracted to them. its a guilt trip I guess.

J69

[Dodger]

Originally Posted by Johnny69

What a gas you are, at 23 he is legally defined as a man, your inferance was that he was a boy and therefore knew nothing, especially not as well as you. I don't think anyone is wrong perse, just that what they say is wrong for me. But nice try at a peer group play, but it don't work on me, you can get everyone to agree with you and disagree with me, it won't effect me, I am above group pressure. A million people can tell me my opinion is wrong, but will still make up my own mind, its called being true to yourself and seeing.

Peace Out

J69

j69 you have a habit of answering posts using things that are not in the other persons post and also not answering questions just making up statements.

1. I posted that so cal is 23 and we all have opinions about when a boy becomes a man, nothing there about legal definitions, thats just perhaps your opinion!!

2. I said from his posts he has displayed his immaturity and lack of world wide knowledge, nothing there about inferring he is a boy and knew nothing. No referance there at all to me knowing more.

3. My post could be read defending so-cal only your personal opinion decided it was an insult, you make no comment. Why because perhaps you read my post wrongly, wouldn't be good admitted you were wrong for the first time?

4. You type you do not think anyone is wrong perse, but almost everyone of your posts commen