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14-10-2007, 11:02
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paying bargirls??
Okay, so I've been in Phuket for about a month now. Actually, just checked the calender .. it's been exactly a month to the day. Anyway, for those of you who have experience with bargirls, I have a question. When you decide that your going to take her back to your room, when do you negotiate the price? Does the girl typically bring up the money issue before hand? Once you leave? .. or AFTER "boom boom"? Because here's my situation (and I suppose it's not exactly a bad situation to be in). The first girl I hooked up with here didn't ask me for any money. We drank at the bar she worked at until it closed then left together. She ended up staying with me for 2 weeks and never asked me for money. Although she did get a free place to stay and I bought her meals etc. The second girl was the same (Although this one didn't live with me). I randomly talked to her one night at Tiger .. then a few nights later, I go back .. we get to talking .. she comes with me.. actually, it was more like I went with her - back to HER place on Nanai rd. which she shared with 2 other girls. We do "boom boom". She never asked me for money. As a matter of fact. We went to 7-11 .. she picked out a few things, brought them to the cash.. total came to around 300-something baht. I pulled out my money as if to pay and she wouldn't let me. We even "boom boom" again a few nights later. Again, no request for money. However, I saw her in Tiger tonight, made eye contact .. and she didn't even aknowledge me. But, she was working .. talking to dudes so it might not mean anything. Anyway, I ended up talking to a girl that works at Soi Lion ... and guess what happened? We left together after her shift. No talk of money. She brought ME back to HER place. We "boom boom" .. talk for a bit. Go get food after ( by which point it was around 9am).. I offer to pay for her food and she didn't even let me. She takes my phone number .. never asks for money .. and we go our seperate ways. Now, am I supposed to be offering? If they don't expect money and are actually sleeping with me because they genuinely like me, I don't want to offend them. Anyone else have experiences like this or is this pretty rare?
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#3
14-10-2007, 11:19
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3 working girls and you haven't given any of them any money...I presume you look like a Thai pop/movie star!
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14-10-2007, 11:23
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You offer to pay them and if they say 'up to you' its because they are shy. No it does not mean that you are special, it means that they are too shy to ask, they kind of think you realise you are taking back a prostitute and that you realise this is how she makes her living and will pay her.
Consider for one minute that she needs to get money to live, to send back to family and then consider how you look now. Negotiate the fee before leaving the bar, this will save any embarrasing or potential problems the following day, and pay the girl for her services. One of the girls I know quite well, hardly ever asks, she likes the young men so they think they are special and do not pay her, she does this even when she cannot afford to pay her rent this month, a few bowls of rice are not enough for her to survive. Now come into the real world and start treating the girls properly. Whoops this comes across nasty, not meant, just was thinking if youv'e been here a month you cannot really call yourself a newbie and rely on ignorance to cheat the girls out of their livelihood!!
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14-10-2007, 11:24
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In Thailand, it is customary that payment is due at the time of separation (normal ST/LT), whatever happened in terms of who pays for food has no merit as far as the "obligation" to pay for services.
The girl that would not make eye contact with you is a clear example of someone that was deprived of compensation. If you are still there and see her again; slip her some money and make good. Hardly any of these girls do this without expectations of compensations, but some will not ask. You should clear your conscience and back-track. Pay up for services that you have rendered. Knowing the real deal, that should make you feel better.
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14-10-2007, 11:33
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Thanks for the input guys. One thing that doesn't really make sense to me though. Girl number 2. We left together last Saturday. She didn't ask for money, I didn't give her any. Then Sunday, Monday and Tuesday night I stopped by her bar, chatted for a bit, got along fine. Monday night she even called me and invited me over to watch DVD's with her and her roommates because they had their 1 night off from the club. Phone reception was bad though so the connection cut out and I didn't end up going. Anyway, ran into her on Wednesday night (around 330am). We go for food. Her friend was like " &&&& was talking about you all day yesterday". Anyway, we ended up going to my apartment and we "boom boom" again. So, in all fairness, if she didn't reveive payment the first time, why would she expect it the second?
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14-10-2007, 11:43
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14-10-2007, 12:46
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Up to you Chris but for me, I'd go and find her and make a present of a couple of thousand baht. You will get a buzz, she will give you the biggest LOS smile and she can chip in with the girls for the rent, eat, treat herself to small girly goodies, get some 'face' with her friends and basically live. She isn't a Bar girl just for the Kudos.
Up to you my friend and you know you can afford it. Go back to Canada with a smile on your face instead of thinking "Should I have..........?" Be good.
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14-10-2007, 12:51
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It's hard to know the exact circumstances of your experiences, but I agree with others that it is unusual for the LOS bar-girl scene. Especially that 2-week relationship you had.
Although going by your member name, you might be 19yo? Maybe good-looking 19yo guys can "get away" with this caper! I've been with plenty of girls who never mention/ask for money, and probably would have walked out the hotel door with nothing (due to their shyness/modesty) if I didn't slip a note or two into their handbag as they were getting dressed. So when you say "if they don't expect money", I don't think you can assume that if they don't explicitly say "you give me money for boom boom okay?" then it doesn't mean that they don't expect it.
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14-10-2007, 18:57
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Reminds me of the immortal words one BG once said to me "we fcuk old men like you for money...and young guys for fun!"
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14-10-2007, 19:05
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Keep in mind that the going rate is about 1000Bt per night and slip all these girls a few K!!! ( especially the one that stayed for 2 weeks!!). No need to actually pay the going rate but, to give the girls something to live on for a while will make you feel better as well, so that you don't need to ask these sort of questions of the BMs.
BTW .... did you pay BFs for any of these girls??? Only ask to be sure that you realised that these were "working girls"!!!!
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14-10-2007, 19:11
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thats such horny talk 
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14-10-2007, 19:30
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I would definitely negotiate before going where ever you go. If she is wanting to go with no pay and discussed before going then thats her decision. Sooner or later you are going to run into a real "pro" and may find yourself in an ugly situation if not discussed before hand.
I think you should go back and give something to the one you spent 2 weeks with. Just think she may have given up other opportunities. She will feel much better as you will too.
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14-10-2007, 20:03
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Nope. I didn't pay barfines for any. The left with me once they got off their shifts at around 2:30-3:00am. As for the one that stayed with me for two weeks .. well, that's a long/disturbing story. Maybe I'll make a seperate thread about that one. But yea, throughout the two weeks she didn't have to pay for a single thing. Rent, food, clothes, drinks .. all taken care of. Anyway, I just ran into the second girls friend (ladyboy) on my way home from the gym. I asked her if her friend expected money from me and aparently she didn't. She go with me because "she like .. I lauwe" (something like that) .. aparently it means handsome. But yea, regardless .. she has a family to support so before I go I'll head into tiger, order a drink from her and maybe leave a 1000 baht tip or something.
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14-10-2007, 20:16
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You come here to the forum asking experiences from other BMs and you go and do exactly the opposite of what is suggested.
GO PAY THESE GIRLS SOMETHING.... YOUR NOT AS HANDSOME AS YOU THINK. GO TRY YOUR LUCK IN A THAI DISCO IN PHUKET TOWN AND LET US KNOW HOW MANY TIMES YOU GET LAID AT THE END OF THE NIGHT. ITS ALL ABOUT THE BAHT ON BANGLA ROAD. YOU HAVE GOT A LOT TO LEARN. And guess what these girls don't need your generosity in providing a place to stay, food, clothes, and drinks. They already do that quite well without your kindness.
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14-10-2007, 20:18
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I would love to train in Patong, but probably would forget about the training after a few nights out 55555555 Are you going to be hitting one of the MMA circuits after training?
yeah, as others have already said, I would try to help out the girl financially since time spent with you is time she is not getting paid by other customer to support family. Seems like you are already on the right track though. Good luck!
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14-10-2007, 20:28
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Yea, my first week here was a drunken blur. Didn't train once. I'm doing alright now though. Training Muay Thai 5 times a week and I'm still keeping up my weight training. There's a lot of camps around the island and I went to check them all out but they're all in such boring areas. I just can't leave Patong .. lol .. and everyone on this board knows why I'm sure. I'm been training up in the hills - good camp. All thai's. I just found another Muay Thai place a couple blocks past Christines Massage, gonna give that a try tomorrow since my trainer at the other camp is in Bangkok with some of the fighters. And yea, back at home I do submission grappling so I came here specifically to just work on my standup - looking into MMA for the end of next year. ..
As for "midnightsun" .. I didn't say MY OPINION is that I'm handsome. Whether I am or I'm not is irrevelant. I simply said that the girls ROOMMATE said that her friend went with me simply because she liked me. HER opinion is that I'm "handsome" so that's all that matters. She DIDN'T expect money. A lot of bargirls DO go with young guys for free. Maybe your just coping so much attitude because your past your prime and your one of those old dudes that has to pay "big money" because they think your gross. Regardless, I did state that I understand that by going with me for free .. she WAS losing out on money that she could have made by going with a paying customer. So .. I will find a way to compensate her .. i.e .. the 1000 baht tip when I order a drink .. don't worry ..
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14-10-2007, 20:31
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I have been to discos in PhuketTown too.............I wasn't there to score a TG.........Was catching up with a mate. But your words are true.......Myself & my mate were like pork chops in a synagogue.
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14-10-2007, 20:35
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For fcuk sake !!! I thought us Scots were supposed to be tight with money !!! 
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14-10-2007, 22:20
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So Chris .... you received a lot of advise, well you received nearly the same advice from many. Do report back if you follow through. The could be a few kudos in store for you.
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14-10-2007, 22:46
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In LOS rarely is pu**y free. Since you're staying longtime maybe they're looking at you as Boyfriend material. Even so, you'll have to support her. All you need is to be on one of these BG sh*tlist and life could become very difficult for you. You're in an environment where money exchange hands for services rendered. Do the right thing and start paying. Food and lodging are not even part of the equation.
In the eyes of a BG we're all "handsome man" pretty soon they'll be telling you "u have a good heart". If I was in your shoes, I'll go to the ATM or whatever and make good.
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