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24-10-2004, 12:24
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Bargain the Price
This is my first time in Patong, already LT 3 BG and all asking for difference
price. 1st day - ask for 1500 bath, pay 1000 bath, Bar Fine 300 bath 2nd day - ask for 1000 bath, pay 1000 bath, Bar Fine 200 bath 3rd day - take a break 4th day - ask for 2000 bath, pay 1500 bath, Bar Fine 300 bath I pay the 4th day girl 150 bath because she is a stunner, good BBBJ too, but only do her one time for LT, and she want to leave at 10am when wake up. The 4th day girl say i'm cheap charlie, earn many many money and pay so little, but i'm not a rich guy. It seems that many guys are over pay. The Bar Fine seems higher than BM say, is it possible to bargain the price ? Is it possible to bargain the price from 2000 bath to 1000 bath ?  
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24-10-2004, 13:49
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Happy Hunting, Hunter!
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What you have experienced is exactly what I did in April. Except that I never paid over 200 Baht barfine. One time the year before, I BFed a girl at a Bar on Bangla several times and paid 300 each time. At that bar, I think the BF was higher because of higher rents for bar on Bangla. Normally, the BF is set and no bargaining on BF, unless they are trying to charge you more than the going rate. Never paid over 200 in any of the sois off Bangla, or other bar sois. If you want to know whether you were overcharged, name the bar and one of the BMs can tell you the BF rate at that bar. Don't fall for the cheap Charlie routine.  Who wants a b*tchy wh*re! Not me! If she doesn't want your money, then another one will be happy to take it. If the girl goes one round and takes off early in the morning, that means that she doesn't really want to be with you. Find another one. The more they charge, the less you get. The ones who want the most are usually the ones who are more uptight, more wound up, and strictly in it for the money. If you had paid her 2000, then maybe she would treat you a little better, if she wants your business the next night. Recommended reading is the current thread by AncientMariner entitled "Phuket Trip - Thoughts and Afterthoughts" He paid a girl 2500 per night. Read to see the kind of treatment he got. This is what you will probably get if you paid her what she asks for. If that is good enough for you, then go for it. I think that you have to be a masochist to pay for that kind of treatment when much better is available. Looks are only worth so much. Do you want to pay for sexual pleasure accompanied by bad feelings. That is Western-style prostitution. We go to LOS because the girls there treat us better than that, but the money is starting to change some of them. If a girl starts at 2000, and is really a stunner, then you are doing well to get her for 1500, but you will get the treatment you described which is not much better than paying for ST. If a stunner asks 2000, then she will only go 1000 for ST. I have had some very pretty girls who asked 2000, then go for 1000 or 1200 but I would not say they were stunners. Well above average, but not stunners. JayBee  Best of Luck! And Happy Hunting, Hunter! 
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24-10-2004, 15:56
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Dont talk about money
Your problem is your possibly asking them how much they charge? Its like asking them to name there price and if your not willing to match it, Well then there going to be dissapointed and dont put an effort in, On the other hand if you just pay them afterwards then they dont know how much to expect so they give there all to get you to part with more cash so unless there from a go-go dont ask them about prices, Just stick 1000baht under there bag in the morning and you should'nt have any problems, That would kind of ruin the buzz for me negotiating a price beforehand. Just my opinion, Hope it helps
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24-10-2004, 16:27
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What did you do on the 3rd day ??
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24-10-2004, 16:30
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Two Little Problems
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I agree with you 100% AB, and this is the approach I have always taken. I was going to say so in my post, but it was getting a bit lengthy and I would have felt the need to point out 2 problems which can come up occasionally with that way: 1)The girl initiates the negotiation buy saying, "How much you pay long time?" On my first two tours that never happened with BGs, except with the ones who fancied themselves to be quite the stunners. A BG who seriously expects to get 2000 or at least 1500 would always ask how much you pay, or say I go with you 2000 Baht because she is not going to take the chance on getting stuck with only 1000. On my last tour, I found to my surprise that many girls hope to get 1500 and occasionally 2000. Since they know they will be stuck with 1000 if they say nothing, they were speaking up for themselves. These girls were well above average, but not stunners. In each case, they either came down to 1200 or I went on my way. In two cases they came down to 1000. 2)You get the girl back to the room and when you are naked in bed, then she asks how much you pay me.  This has happened to me 3 times that I can remember, maybe 4 times. In two cases, I escorted them to the door. In the other two, one came down to 1200, and the other to 1000. But invariably, their story was "I usually get paid 2000 long time" and "I never go for less than 1500." I still prefer this approach because I have gotten to the point where if they give me a headache and I don't like their attitude, I just think, "Whoa!! Made a bad choice. Best to get rid of her ASAP." It really isn't much fun making love to someone you just had an argument with. So, in the first case, you really don't have an option, and in the second case, youi procede at your own risk, which works for me, but maybe not for some others. JayBee
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24-10-2004, 16:38
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It never happened to me but if a girl was to say to me i go with you "2000baht" Id just laugh it off, And reply back to them i get "2" girls for that? Then they know where they stand without losing face and then its up to them if they want to go with you or not, At least that way you'll find out real quick if they like you or not
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24-10-2004, 16:43
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Cash and Carry?
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Exactly! It is always best to know up front if you are dealing on a strictly business, "Cash and Carry" basis!
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24-10-2004, 16:53
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imho it is better to just tell them straight that you never pay more than a 1000bhht then say up to you tilac while letting them see your eye wonder across to girl`s at the next bar.
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24-10-2004, 16:53
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Ally, I do agree with what Jaybee is saying and most try to avoid getting stuck with the standard 1000 payment. Most in Patong seem to ask for 1000 s/t and 1,500 lt. Of course we all know that 1000 lt is the standard fare and st would only be 500-800, but I do think it's safer to inform the lady while at the bar you intend to pay 1000, please remember that there are a few ''harder'' bg's around that may turn nasty on you come the morning, there also seems to be a trend now in knives and scissors being produced so I myself would not simply stick 1000 ''under the bag'' without inforimg her what i intend to pay. Can save you a lot of hassle Ally.
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24-10-2004, 17:20
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Erik, I suspect that perhaps both you and BB are right because honesty is the best approach, however, call me old-fashioned, but I really like it so much better when the money is never discussed. Technically, it is not prostitution that way, because there is no agreement about money, it is not mentioned, and there is no law against giving money to someone you happen to like. Talk of money spoils the romance. Also, I wouldn't be being honest if I said that I never paid over the mark. One time in BKK, I pick up a cutie on Sukhumvit, and we went to my hotel, only a few doors from the corner where I met her. There she asked for more money. It would have been easy to say no, for the night was young, and I neither paid a BF nor bought her a drink. But she was so sweet, funny , and charming in the way she asked and how she coaxed me that I agreed to give her 1500. I was also thinking that in the morning I was leaving BKK, so what difference does a few hundred Baht make, anyhow? By the morning I was so well charmed by her lovemaking abilities, that when she tried to talk me out of leaving BKK, I agreed, and went and changed my plane ticket immediately. Spent the better part of two weeks with her, paid her 1500 per day. Money well spent, she was worth more pound for pound than any TG I've been with. And I say this in spite of the fact that she was no stunner, she was cute, but only a little above average She was also a liar, a cheat, a swindler, a thief and a very dangerous, violent person, as I soon found out.  But she was an incredibly passionate person, with a personality larger than life and she treated me like a king, made me feel like a million, and loved me well in bed and out. It was an amazing time I had with her and I will always cherish the memory, even though I was more than little nervous about what she might do when I kissed her off! You can be sure I well hid the knives from her! JayBee
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24-10-2004, 17:46
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I hear you Jaybee, I really don't like discussing money either and find it a pain, but i feel this is the mistake i made in the past and as a result of ''falling for her'' paid way too much money compared to other guys as i preferred to give them a large lump sum at the end. The 1st girl i met in patong i gave her 1000 baht for the first night then told her i wanted her to stay with me for the rest of my time there which was a further 9 days. I gave her 20,000 baht, not because she askes me for this as she never discussed how much she wanted for this period , I just did it because i liked her that much and was totally overwhelmed by the experience. I could see she looked shocked when i handed her the money and a look of guilt was written on her face. Bear in mind that she also had other small amounts drip fed to her in between and this all adds up. Although i was kind with her i think she just saw me as a dumbass too kind for my own good and things went pear shaped in the end anyway. I made exactly the same mistake with the next one and made a rod for my own back right from the start by offering far too much, again because i wanted her to feel like my money was a 'gift'' to a girlfriend rather than payment to a prostitute. But really i was kidding myself , I only learnt this the hard way. At the end of the day we cannot fool ourselves into thinking it is anything more than a liason with a ****** because that's exactly what it is. On my last tour i finally struck a better deal without getting stupid about money , she was happy and so was I. If there is one thing i have learnt from los , it is to forget romance as there is very little chance of that unless we are in a position to move over there and have a live in gf. IMHO I have absolutely no intention of staying with any girls longer then 1 day each this time. It always gets messy in the end and i need to have fun out there without feeling the blues when i leave because i have fallen for another one. I feel for this reason it is a better option for me to stick to the basic ground rules of mongering and discuss payment and let it be known it is nothing more than a business transaction. I feel sad about this in some ways as i would love nothing more than a woman in my life who cares for me and me for her but i have stopped believing that these girls want anything other than cash from me. Last edited by butterflyblonde : 24-10-2004 at 17:49.
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24-10-2004, 18:07
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The Difference Between Committed Love and Romance
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BB, I remember the story you told of what happened to you with your last bad experience. Really, reading that confirnmed in my mind some things which were only beginning to take form. I too am born a romantic and would love to find that real love. Yet I realize that what you say is true about finding love with a prostitute. But most importantly, you made the mistake of trying to treat her too nice, thinking that she would appreciate you more for it. I have made the same mistake, and only through sheer luck did not lose a lot of money. As has been said before you have to take the reins, be the man, and show that you expect to be treated like the boss. Otherwise they won't respect you, they will take your money and laugh in your face. Also, you really have to be there with them or take them with you (which is a risky business, as well). However, having said that, I must point out that there is a big difference between love and romance, as the words are normally used. I can have a perfectly wonderful romantic night with a girl, Thai or farang, that I have absolutely no feelings of love for, and already know that I will kiss her off in the morrow, with never a second thought for her, nor a pang of remorse or guilt over it. Well, maybe just a wee pang if she is a sweet one. It is a game that I like very much. It is a kind of mutal game of make-believe. Some women now how to play it very well. When you were a child, didn't you ever "play house" with the girls, where you pretended you were the father and she was the mother. It was make-believe. It was play-acting, and it was wonderful fun. Why let the children have all the fun? Sex is not as much fun, it can feel very cold and hollow, when it is only physical pleasure. But when you can combine the physical pleasure with the fun of playing like children, imagining that you are Adam and Eve, so to speak, the only man and woman on earth in your own private world for just a night, it can be quite wonderful!  As you well know, some BGs are wonderful actresses. The one I spoke of in BKK, gave a performance worthy of an Academy Award and I applaud her. Sex is so much better with the warm fuzzy feelings that romance brings. Now I admit that if I stay with the same one for a week and she really treats me well, then it is difficult to kiss her off. And sometimes I am well stuck with the blues when I get home because I have fallen for another one. And that is why it is not an easy game, and that is the price that I sometimes must pay. But the alternative of "only a business transaction" is not what I want and not what I will settle for. Look at it this way. The words to an old song are "Love the One You're With." And another song, "Love Me Tender." So if you are doing business and the business involves sex, and sleeping together,and companionship, then why not make it tender, why not give the love that you can for a single night, to love and honor that other person as a worthwhile human being, worthy of all the warmth and compassion that one person can give another in a single nighttime. That is what romance is to me. It is about showing the other person that they are worth the effort it takes to try to make them feel good, not just physically but about herself as a person. It is saying, "You are a good person, worthy of my love." That doesn't mean that you are in love or that you are going to combine your lives together. It would be absurd to conclude that on the basis of a night together. It is just saying, "We have this short time together, let's make it as good as we can for each other." Why not? Is it better to have a cold experience because you are afraid that you might feel something for each other? Well, any preacher would crucify me for saying this, but the way I look at it, it is like what Christ said, "Love one another." Even if it is only for one night. That is what romance means to me. Yes, it is love with out commitment. Is that wrong? Is it better to stay in the cold, than to risk getting burned because you got to close to the flame? I think not. JayBee
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24-10-2004, 18:10
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I repect what your saying BB, But each to there own, Ill keep doing it like this until a time comes when they ask for more money, And dont get me wrong if they have a problem with how much im giving them they can always say!! And if i have to give another 500baht i will because its not a lot of money to me and i certainly would'nt argue over it but i can assure you that would be the last time i bf that girl again, Dont get me wrong im not a cheap charlie the last girl that stayed with i started by giving 1000baht and by the end i was giving her 2000baht not because i had too but because i wanted too(sure after i was with her for 4days she didnt want money but i gave it to her in anyway), I dont like being asked for 2000baht by a girl because i know how much everything is and feel like there trying to rip me off or that they dont really like me, But if i like the girl and she does'nt ask then ill give her more after a few days if "I want" thats the difference.
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24-10-2004, 18:22
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I never pay more then 1000, period! If she ask more, I quickly let it feel that she is insulting me! I do it in a humouristic way, but she will understand.
The problem is that pretty girls, know that there are always imbecils out there who will pay even 4000 bath. There is no way to bargain then anyway, just let it go! Like said before these girl that ask much are in generally not the sweetest girl neither! Don't forget if she ask a high price, it is not always for the money! If a girl want to get out the bar with you, she will not ask an exagerated price!
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24-10-2004, 19:41
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Guess the Price
---------------- One more thing, they want me to guesst the price When i ask how much, they say "how much you want to pay" They want to test my Bar IQ......1000bath They are looking for waterfish that pay 3000-5000 bath, but unfortunately i'm not the one.
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24-10-2004, 19:55
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Exactly if they ask you, You just say i pay 1000baht take it or leave it Most will take it some will not, But there plenty more fish in the sea
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24-10-2004, 22:31
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romance guys,sorry not flaming just my thoughts
its all very good but at the end of day no matter how hard you try to have a boyfriend/girlfriend relationship the moment money is handed over for pleasures of the flesh it becomes a buisness transaction,with buisness the girls have no time for romance.
may be im just a bit hardend to some of them(not all though we all have chinks in our armour)but romance is not that expensive. it is hard to not fall for these guys/l.b`s and girls as they all should be oscar winning actresses,but alas for those of us that can only stay for a few weeks at a time we only see the fine acting skills. you do hear stories of guys meeting girls and are able to build a relationship with out ever handing money over for sex,but i fear that its very rare.Anyway and i appologise to the lady members of the forum now ,but the moment you say i do and put a ring on the finger of any woman you will pay for it for the rest of you lifes. so all i say is enjoy your short time on this spinning lump of rock and keep a level head about you, and a few extra bahts in your pocket
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25-10-2004, 07:36
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Romancing the Stone
I think the Bm's on this thread have got it sussed. It is hard to maintain the illusion of a "successful pull" when you have to hand over money however much you have enjoyed yourself. For my own part I prefer to try and be a little charming and upfront about money at the beginning and say something like "I like you very much and wonder if you would like to go with me for 1000 Baht". If she says yes, which oddly she usually does, then that is the last time money is mentioned and the illusion can be carried on from there.
I now speak a little thai and have heard the girls discussing their earnings with each other. It does seem that English people pay around the 1000 to 1500 whereas other nationalities, particulary Japanese and Germans (Yellowmans) do seem to pay more. Knowing this, if a girl says "I usually go LT for 2000 Baht" the correct response may be "Ah yes, but I am English!". Mac |