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16-01-2005, 00:33
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How do the girls survive now?
She finally left the guy who beat her, but she is saying that a lot of girls are in big problems for the moment! They cannot pay the rent, they dont get any money, much, much more girls then "farangs"! She is a bit desperate, although nOT asking for money (but maybe hoping on my BIIIG heart!  Now Tig can sell herself very well! So if she is having so much problems, then the situation must be very bad! I made it clear, that I will NOT send her money, because: She is a big girl and she has to take care of hersef, even if she has to go back Because then she will rely too much on 'gifts", been though that! I have a family. She understand, and I am not that sure she would accept money from me. But is the situation getting so bad now? What can the girls do? I told her that business is much better in Samui now, maybe she can go there? Tell me dear Bm's with a bar, how is the situation for these girls now? Can you do something for them, do you care? Yes I know, proberly not easy for you too! I understand! It is difficult if all this is true, not to support the girls. They will not get any dime from the help overseas! But I think it is impossible to support them all! It is a pitty that there is no fund for girls working in a bar in time like this. There is nothing to protect them, and that is sad! I can't blame them for asking a bit more, when there is finally a customer! But of course, the risk of going home without a dime is higher then... Damn waves.... 
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16-01-2005, 00:56
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I sent money to a BG from Kamala, she and her friends have lost most of their possessions in the disaster. You can see the rooms where many BG's from Kamala lived, and where unfortunately at least 2 lost their life.
I have no hope and desire to bang her in the future, i just wanted to help her and i hope she shared this money with her friends. This BG sent me a kind email to say thank you. Shesays that she is now living in Pattaya and works in a hotel. I guess she will go back to the scene soon . I'm afraid that many girls will need to leave Phuket if the tourists don't come back soon.
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16-01-2005, 02:09
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The problem is to help one girl is a drop in the ocean! What about the others you are not helping?
I know that Tig doesn't spend much on herself, she feels as desperate for her family! She is a bit weird sometimes! Money she needs, but she hates girls who take profit of farangs, she think that it is give and take! I never fell in love with this girl, but when somebody is so nice to you as Tig, it is difficult hearing all this.....
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16-01-2005, 02:59
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Patong is quiet but it is more like low season than dead, the girls survive in low season and why not now? December was pretty good so why all money finished in just 2 weeks? Hard to believe if you ask me.
The situation is Patong is slow but it is far away from dead and Febraury seems to be a lot better.
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16-01-2005, 04:43
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Surely you don't expect each Barmanger to have a money pit ready for hard times...Thats why us westerners have savings accounts.  I mean yes at the moment its quite easy to see that a lot of people have been affected by the tsunami...but thats why(in exceptional cases), the world gets together and donates money and services to help... I actually sent some money to a local BG that I met on my last trip...she claimed that she wanted to fly back to BKK to stay with her parents for 2 weeks...therefore after making my decsion to send this money...what she actually does with it is her choice...I just felt good doing it....and realized that she would need it alot more than me at this time. My point is...you have to adjust your lifestyle to suit the environment you choose to live/work in.  I can't wait to go back again(30 DAYS AWAY).And hopefully the money I spend in the bars/restaurants will help the local people(including the lovely BG's). 
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16-01-2005, 05:27
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Tsunami or not, I always wondered how some girls survive! Tig is/was quiet popular, but I some girls in November who never attracted customers!
I can imagine with so much less guys looking for the girls, that they DO have problem to get an income! 
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16-01-2005, 05:48
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It's a difficult time and there is so much sadness shown by the News footage that it is very difficult not to feel sorry for the people out there including other countries as well as Thailand.
It is even harder when you know someone who has been affected by what happened, but it is down to you as an individual to know the level of your friendship and whether or not you wish to help out or not. If things really are bad, then your friend would appreciate your help and it is up to you what you do. I have friends there, they are all safe and have moved either back home to Udon Thani or else gone to work in Bangkok. These ladies are very resourceful and will survive regardless of whether they know someone like you and me or not. But don't let that stop you from helping if you choose to do so. regards Diz
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16-01-2005, 13:05
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What I dont understand is why people feel so sorry for Bar Girls ?? They are great people and good fun but the fact of thematter is they are very well off (in Thai terms), very highly paid, and are doing it for an easy life easier than picking rice back in buri ram for 40k per harvest !!
When you consider an unskilled person earns 4 or 5k doing a normal job.. A seamstress earns about the same.. A gov worker may get 10k or so.. So these girls usually get a retainer from the bar (can be as much as 5k or less + accomodation) and any customers.. I am not saying anyones life is a bed of roses but it always strikes me as odd that people will feel so sorry for BG's but not mention 'good' TG's or the many people out of work since the waves or at other times.
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16-01-2005, 13:16
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yea you say they survive in lo season nicke,but a lot of girls i no usually save a little money which i take they make in hi season,so without the hi season they could be skint.i had never seen patong as quiet as it was after the tsunami,yea fair enuff new years eve picked up but it wasdnt busy mak mak.unfortunately this trip i dont no if it was just the affects of the tsunami,but i found this the worst of my trips,i like patong busyish for a party atmosphere,i was bored senseless most nights.yea xmas eve was good,new years eve ok,but the best times i had where when i was in bangkok and khon kaen.i hope patong picks up quick for the sake of everyone i no out there,but i am thinking of giving it a miss,at least for my next trip.its good to see the bm i have met when i get there,but i didnt feel like i had a holiday this time,let alone feel like it was xmas or new year.and worst (or best depending how you look at it),i havent had the post los blues at all this time. am i getting bored of los???i hope not.i am booked up to return april 2nd,but looks like that trip for 3-4 weeks will involve bangkok,khon kaen,pattaya and samui.i have no plans for patong,but you never no. i hope the business picks up soon. steve
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16-01-2005, 13:36
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BG's earn a lot of money by Thai standards but they spend it all, typically
10,000 to their family 35,000+ on themselves getting drunk, buying clothes, beauty salons etc As far as I can see at the moment there are few BG's struggling, girls at my bar still have customers (although they say they dont) lots are going LT trying to hook up with guys who are here LT. I still see them running about on their brand new motorbikes, some dont bother to come to the bar because they have enough money and many many have sponsors or multiple sponsors. Lots of FL's come my bar drinking heiniken.......... Believe my guys dont fall for this crap, I reckon this is the new scam, Please can you help me I cannot earn money bacause of the wave DONT SEND MONEY UNLESS YOU LIVE OR ARE GOING TO LIVE WITH THEM....its just money down the drain otherwise On another note my observations of where I went last night Tiger Bars quite busy, Tiger Disco busy, Baya Beach busy, Di Di's soi sansabai busy, Banana disco beach road now open..........lots of new faces have been arriving just my thoughts and observations G
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16-01-2005, 14:54
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Good to know that there are some folks coming after all!
But still... I can believe that a popular girl is making as much as you say....  But you have a popular bar, your pr works fine! But look around Patong, there are so many places, so many girls! When you walk around some places every night and you begin to know some faces, some girls never seem to have customers! Then about Tig, she seems to have more worried about being a bad girl not sending money to her parents! i went to her place. Running water not working. Except her BG-clothes, sexy tops etc, nothing at at all. Just some tapes, no gold.... If she spend money, I really wonder on what?
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16-01-2005, 15:09
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I dont agree with Geespot's numbers for an average BG but sure some BGs can make very good money and some others just enought to survive.
Even girls who never seems to have customers usually make some money from occassionally off's and lady drinks, e.g. her friend have a customer and he buy drinks for her too. And girls often take care of eachother, e.g. share a room and help eachother out if someone dont have money for the moment.
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16-01-2005, 16:08
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I would agee though that on average most BG's make >20 or 25k per month once a few punters.. Couple of regulars..Perhaps a sponsor.. Lady drinks and salary all come into the equation..
Not many employed Thais earn 25k.. So they are big earners in Thai terms..
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17-01-2005, 04:21
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There is allways going to be an ugly duckling...struggling for attention...
I can remember back about 15 years ago...I was doing it tuff. I had recently finished Uni, had no job, Bills coming from everywhere and no real people I could call friends....If I waited for someone to step in and help me, I would more than likely still be waiting. Instead , I went looking for work that was entry level(factory) , just so I could get my confidence up and talk to new people...Fortunatly that paid off and with the right connections I have now been employed by a large company(10y) and they take very good care of me. These BG that are not as popular, can be only if they tried a little harder. I know that when I'm in LOS, I always spend some time with the quieter ones, because they have so much to say once they get confortable.
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17-01-2005, 04:38
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Hi Robo, I like your strategy.
There are so many girls without the big attention but they are really great girls. I once had a young cute girl but she had maybe just a few customers in 6 months, she was very shy but since she knowed me she acted like normal and liked to joke and talk with me and so on. A really great girl, and she was also cute, but due to her shyness she seldom got customers. Now she work in department store in Bangkok since she could not make living by working in MTB, but I still think she was a great girl. Quote:
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17-01-2005, 07:05
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I spent a bit of time with one girl from the Sailor bar (beach road) last time I was there in September 2004. I wasn't a customer, I just befriended her through another girl and because she spoke reasonably good English and wanted to "practise on me" we spent quite a bit of time together. She told me that the girls get half the barfine, in her case the bf is 200baht, so that's 100 and also 20baht for every "lady drink". On top of that was whatever she managed to get from any of her clients. This sounds like a lot, but she told me that she averages 4/5 customers on a good week, so that would be 100 for b/f plus, say 2 rinks 40 and then maybe 1,000 for an overnight if she was lucky, which would work out about 6k for the week, this equates to the 25k a month mentioned above, but doesn't happen all the time.
A lot of her money gets sent back home and I am led to believe from other sources that this is the case with a very high number of girls. Obviously there are some that don't and spend it all on themselves no doubt, plus others that are perhaps lucky in the looks department and can send money home, pay all the bills, stick some away and still have a tidy sum left over for shopping. What you have to remember - there is no government pension scheme in Thailand, so if you work all your life and have no kids and no savings, then you will not survive. I think that a lot more money gets sent home or put away for a rainy day than we think. Diz
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17-01-2005, 08:15
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That is what i said, the money is send home! So I think that if thing are slower then normal, due to tsunami, there are two problems:
As money earned before, send home (in Tig case, certainly not on herself!), there is no money put away for today! As she makes less, she cannot send money home for the moment, and feels bad, not to support her family! Yes, those girls, if business is good, can make more money, then having a "normal" job! But lets be honnest, what is the real thing for most of them? Yes their familys do get better! Some of them are living in a misserable room, they have to spend every night with some farangs, they not always like, they are sometimes hurt, as it has been the case lately. They look to have fun, but mostely just hate the job! The good thing about it, sometimes they got a guy, who IS nice to them and have a good time with. Some of them support them, when needed, but to say that EVERY girl has that luck is utopia! But, also true, there are quiet some lazy girls out there too! Better, to drink and to open their legs, then to work 12 hours cleaning room, or whatever dirty job!
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17-01-2005, 10:26
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i think the best way to help is to maintain our own role, i.e. be a tourist, a more frequent one. I could help one BG or a few but only in a short period, a year maximum. Like most of you here, I have a family and could not let myself dragged in a girl for too long.
LivinLos is right. There are more people out there who require (or deserve) more help. I am returning to LOS in a week time and bring some clothes for the kids. Many resorts in LOS also recommend customers to leave behind clothes behind for the less well-offs after their stay.
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17-01-2005, 11:15
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Guys, when you mention avergae salary of 10k or whatever, is that per week or month ? Could someone please list just a few average salaries in Thailand per month or week ? say for instance : -Teacher -Policeman - Nurse -Retail.
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17-01-2005, 12:25
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All wages monthly.
Retail (shop assitant) 5k Retail Manager or very experienced 10k Policemen 7k - 12k normal.. Chiefs and bosses possibly up to 20 or so but thats SENIOR !! Also police can keep a % of fines that they impose for another few 1000 and to put it bluntly most also have some T money paid.. You dont really get a crime investigated unless they get a payment. Nurse 5k - 12k or so.. Senior maybee a little more but I am lead to believe this is a badly paid profession considering how much training and the hours worked (long)..
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17-01-2005, 12:26
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The average salary here
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Sales & Marketing manager 20k college degree, Chief accountant 25k many degrees, Bar manager 15k 15 years experience, Assistant manager 20k huge responsibilities for a Thai many many hours of work. These people raise families, lead a normal life, most don't smoke and drink very little. The BG's are less eduacated which limits them in Thailand to access to good jobs. Are they less smarter, NO they are just as smart but most didn't have access to higher eduacation but they want to earn big money, they are attractive and see girls come back to their village and build big houses so the allure is there. Almost all of them could work in a restaurant, hotel, etc but that would require less money, more hours, and they wouldn't be able to drink and smoke at work. So don't fell sorry for the BG, feel sorry for the guy whose hotel, restaurant was washed away. feel sorry for the fisherman who lost his boat. DON'T FEEL SORRY FOR THE BG'S
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17-01-2005, 12:41
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They dont, they choose the path of selling pussy for money.. Up to them.. I refuse to feel sorry for a girl who chooses this lifestyle over one of hard work and less money because she does not want to sell her pussy. Quote:
This country has and is evolving very fast from a 3rd world country to a more modern one. Go back to the village and look at the wooden shack she may have grown up in and shared a bed with 5 or 6 brothers and sisters, an outside toilet / washroom that is basically a barrel of rainwater etc.. Quote:
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Im only telling you what many girls tell me, its not a guess in terms of what they earn. Also the going rate for BG stay home iis 30,000 per month again there is no magic or guessing in this, its based on 1000 baht per day G
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Of course the cost of living are less than in phuket, but maybe it gives you an idea whats going on in real thailand. There are bg with less money. But it is common in thailand that many people have little money. Nothing abnormal.
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17-01-2005, 15:57
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Well I never did send money to a bg, and guess I never will. Happy to hear that most of them are not doing that bad! Although I still believe many of them don't get customers that easy every day. And I am not that sure that all the girls have a choice. I heard stories (maybe just stories!), that girls are pushed by their own family to do this job! Again, girls I saw, did not have som much for them self!
Some guys here laughed with my motorbike story. Well this girl at least, did use the money for what it was supposed to. It did allow her to take a very good "normal" job (she never did work in the bar). Ok she used me, because she was nOT in love like I was so stupid to be, but at least it was well spend on her.
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And of course its not easy to find a "good job" in thailand for people with less education.
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yea but very few girls get a customer every day of the month,many will not go with a man during there period so that wipes about 5 days off the month.and at any members bars i have been to many of the girls i have seen have gone days without customers,off course hi season is better but lo season i seen girls going a week without a punter. steve
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I think what you say is very true. I know a scottish guy who lived 3 years long in Patong. He told me had to give his TG every day at least 1000 Baht to keep her happy and faithful. After a few years he was no longer able to afford this and they broke up. He told me this story at night when he was a little bit drunk while I was together with his ex-tg, who had started working again as a Fl. We talked for hours, he had a dutch mother and spoke dutch quite good. Could you imagine living together with a girl you have to pay everyday. I'm not talking about money for groceries and when your out of money the girl is off working again. He told me that she started "going to Tiger again" to earn money and that he was the babysit for her daughter most of the nights. Strange situation... A nice looking FL is making 30.000 k at least IMHO.
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18-01-2005, 01:11
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Sad story! But I have met different girls and not every girl is same-same! Looks like he had a really gready one!
Some girls are just happy, if they got lucky to have a farang who gives them a better life! They would not even consider to go back to sell their a** if it is not necessary! And then you have the girls, who got really used to the job, and it is never enough! In every profession, you have different ways to approach it! 
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18-01-2005, 03:12
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I was just reading this thread and wondering about the money.
If you sit in one and same bar for 1 or two week, and take a look at the ladies and how often they get barfined...maybe 3 times a week??? Like a friend said to me (bg) -If i have money, i don´t go to work. Most of the ladies DON´T make 30000 every month. Only my opinion
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18-01-2005, 04:19
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I have seen so many ladies moved abroad with new boyfriends, the greedy BGs usually never go that far.
Many girls are very happy to find a boyfriend and dont need to work, they know they cant expect same amount of money but they prefer a normal life. Some girls are very money orientated and and as some people already have found out, relationships with these girls seldom work out. Too bad, in some cases of these greedy BGs is due to their parents who expect and want to much from their daughters. (They may have bank loans for cars and houses and always want more money for other things) If the girls demand too much money from their boyfriend, I would guess it is more business than real love/relationship and thats why they easily break up if they dont get enough. So if anyone of you is looking for a good girlfriend, tell them from beginning you are not rich and cant afford to pay lot of money. This is a good test to see what kind of girl they are, if they love you and if you can afford them. My own guess is that an average BG make 15-20,000 baht/month including ladydrinks and sponsors. There are always exceptions, some girls can get 30,000+ baht alone from their sponsors each month + what they earn themselves. I know many girls who dont really care about work, they have a laid back life and just live off the money from their sponsors and just have to see their boyfriend(s) when they are in Thailand, other times they dont really care about the bars/FL scene at all, you may see them occasionally at Banana or Taipan. Their boyfriends often dont know about her other boyfriends she keep at the same time.
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18-01-2005, 04:50
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Well I did not have 2 girs who were same-same! The one who looked like the biggest w*ore, was the one, who did the most for her money!
Some girls just live from a lie to another, others, deliver for the money! Again, I only payed Bg's when they delivered! But when they did, I always was a gentleman! Did not mean I bought a motorbike for everybody 
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18-01-2005, 05:19
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*shaking head*
I think the bar girls should get off there arses, takes their brains outta their pockets and go help ALL THE INNOCENT KIDS WHO HAVE NO FAMILY'S... I have donated MONEY so that those poor little kids can have a school to learn in.........
SO STOP SPREADING YOUR LEGS GIRLS & GO DO SOMETHING REWARDING WHILE ITS SO QUIET IN PHUKET.
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18-01-2005, 09:20
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Aussiebutterfly i think you will find most BM have donated and just havent made a song and dance about it !
the whole community needs assistance ALL THE COMMUNITY got that ? most people who live in phuket have been effected in some way by the wave. a lot of these BG are finacially helping there families believe it or not. So get rid of the blinkers and look at the whole picture.
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