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29-03-2005, 18:16
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Wanna go out and meet some cute boys!
OK, I know many of you LOOOVE the scene here, but frankly I hate it. I have lived in Bangkok but am moving to Phuket and hoping desperately for improvement.
What I hate...it is completely geared toward men and completely geared toward a "sex scene". Be it bar girls, *****s, lesser wives, what have you...the scene is tainted by girls who seek some kind of gain and men who desperately seek asian pussy...even if they know the girl is near to vomit inside but smiling on the outside...oh what we do for money! It would not bother me if that went on, I lived in the red light district in Amsterdam and could care less what body parts girls wanna sell and what men want to buy...that is your thing. What bothers me is the lack of the "normal" scene and how the "me so horny girls" as I call them, make their way, and in turn so do all you Johns, into EVERY place but the most exclusive. In Bangkok every after hours place has *****s there or bar girls. And the Thai, men who run them and women who work at them, are definitely not too fond of western women. I have friends that have been asked if they were ladyboys, I have been insulted, asked if I was a western prostitute, told I couldn't come in places because I would detract from the girls business etc. I also like Thai men so I would also not even mind meeting normal, not on the game, thai men. But the big thing I want, is just bars where there are no girls with motives to gain anything and no men there to be given fake attention. I want to go to a nightclub where loads of cute young...perhaps even mostly western, guys are and girls are enjoying themselves on holiday or as residents, and just dance and pull and do everything the way it usually plays out rather than how the "scene" plays out. It makes me so sad as I feel like Thailand is for couples, families, or single men and I feel like I am in this totally left out demographic that is actually not even liked by those on the scene if I go out.(other than their fascination with my tits and the constant...aaaaawww sueeeeey sueeeeey I get). I am not saying this because I don't get attention etc, I get attention so that is not the issue, my issue is that I want to keep it real and not be among the whole scene all the time. I don't like the scene, find it nasty and really naff, and just want some normal nights out. 
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#2
29-03-2005, 19:08
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You’re living in the wrong place/country me thinks.... Just to keep it short & sweet, you have two options: You can try and change the way Thailand lives, be a 21st century’s Dox Quixote, lobby the Thai government to make prostitution illegal (hang on a sec… haven’t they done that already?? Hhhhmmm….) or alternatively you can just accept it the way it is, with its pros and cons. And if by any chance you choose the second option and calm down a little… who knows, maybe you too can get laid.  No offence meant of courseAll the best
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29-03-2005, 19:23
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I also lived in Holland before coming here..
Yes this place is a Disneyland for guys (but the rides are better) and I can see how this could be rough and possibly competative to a girl living here.. Lots of posts on other forums from women living in Asia who hate it, whether thats cause the 'power' they had over guys in the west is gone or not is hard to say.. Back in the west the girl does the selection, out here its the guys, you are basically experiencing how friendly it can be for a guy back home.. Theres venues you can go to where the P4P scene is either not so noticable or low level but this is Asia and you will find pretty much anywhere the selection roles are reversed.. Looking for cute euro guys to hit on you ?? You better be very cute and willing to please.. Of course if you have funds finding a thai Boyfriend should be a non issue.. Plenty of bars around that you can go to where there is no girl hassle, I would be happy to make you some kind of list if you arte ready to have an open mind and try to have fun, if you only want to look down on Thai girls and moralize well you will always stay bitter.. The disco's are pick up joints but still, so what, enjoy yourself and have fun..
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29-03-2005, 19:31
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Thanks for your response, and it REALLY is not a question of getting laid, I have no problem doing that, I want the rest of the night out though...just good old normal fun minus "the scene".
In fact, I think Thailand should legalise prostitution. It is so rampant and wide-spread anyway and happens right there in the open everywhere you turn. By legalising it they would protect everyone involved much like the Dutch government does. My problem, and I will give you an example, is that there is NO alternative for single people who just want to go out have fun and meet. My example, my friend came to visit me, we went to a beach resort near Pattaya. We went to a nightclub at a hotel after having a really miserable time the night before because everywhere we went we were surrounded by BG's and prossies(I see no difference BTW). In the nightclub were tons of "me so horny girls" (as we now call them) and frightened young western boys who just wanted a night out, and of course, the old fat farangs that follow the girls wherever they go. I can tell you not all men are into the scene and I met many guys here who beg me to pretend I am their gf so they dont get harrased etc. I do not care if this goes on, but can't there be some places that are JUST for people who want a night out...no hassles...no sex for pay? Clearly it is my prob, but I think, judging from what I have seen and guys I have met, a lot of guys also would like that, particularly the younger better looking ones who do not NEED these services but want to pull on their own merits the old fashioned way. Please tell me there is some club at some hotel or ANYTHING that resembles normal going out in Phuket? I am well open to suggestions. Also looking for a pub to just hang out in and watch footie and drink some strongbows(minus having to listen in stereo to a chorus of "Mista Mista 500 baaaht everyting you waaaant")!! PS Believe it or not they even harrass me. I can't tell you the amount of times I have been surrounded and stuck listening to: oooooh sueeeey sueeey you like girl too or you want boy? I know boy for you!
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29-03-2005, 19:40
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LivinLos,
Make that list!!! Firstly I am not hard up. I actually have pulled everytime I have wanted to and been hit on even when I do not want to, even by white euro guys surrounded by the thai girls. I do not agree that the selection process is reversed, I think the selection criteria is different. The guys I have been hit on by that are white tend to be young, very good looking, and would have no troubles at home. In Europe and america looks play a bigger part, money and opportunity a smaller part, here it is reversed. I also meet Thai guys and am VERY into them but want someone who is not after money and not on the game as I am petrified of disease here. I had an ex-Thai boyfriend when I lived in Dubai so that is also not a problem. For me it is not the competition thing, I do not feel out-competed in the least, most of the men that are with the BGS are not men I would pursue anyway and most that are vulnerable to being pulled by them are also not guys I would be interested in, so that is not the issue. The big thing for me is going out and having a good time with like-minded people and not having to be caught up in the whole scene. Let the BG's and ******s do all they want and let the guys do all they want, I am for live and let live, but give me a place where I can hang out with people who are like minded, I do not mind if they are Thai or European...or even yanks for that matter. I think I am being misinterpreted in what I am looking for and why I am looking.
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29-03-2005, 19:41
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just to name one....
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In Patong you can have a good night in Scruffy Murphy's (just to mention one place). It's at the beach end of Bangla Road. I'm sure there are a few more places in Patong where you won't get any hassle - perhaps some of the most experienced BMs can name some.  All the best
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29-03-2005, 19:42
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I also want to know how long you been in Thailand.. It sounds for me that you never been there, or just arrived... As for just hang out in a bar, it is just to tell the girls you are not interested... It works for guys, so why wouldnt i work for you. But i think your problem is difficult to solve.. My advice is to stay home instead, or go home to your home country so you can go out and chill like you want....
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29-03-2005, 19:48
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I think you are so far up your own a*se its unreal (And funny)
 .Anyway why dont you try places like Phi- Phi (Obviously when its rebuilt), Koh samui, Koh phangan and places like that where there is hardly any red light district and you will meet a lot of young guys who are just there to party and not to play with the BGs as you say . I just dont get why you would choose to live in a place thats renowned for it??? PS: You could also try bars like Molly Malones,Scruffy Murphys and a few more bars around nanai that dont have BGs. PPS: Why am I helping you again????
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29-03-2005, 19:50
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Hi eurogirl
I'm Giuseppe from the Netherlands,this year i'm going for the third time to Thailand,second time to Phuket.
Last september my girlfriend and went to Pattaya,but pattaya sucks when you go as a couple.Too many BG's in the nightclubs you can't dance normally,every where are calling me handsome.But this year we're going to Patong and Samui.I've been in Patong in 2001 and it was really great met some very nice and beautiful girls (western)in the banana club.You can dance there normally,and have a really good time.But every disco/club you go you see BG's. I hope you've got something on this information. Ciao Giuseppe
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29-03-2005, 19:52
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Its laughable that you mention a resort near Pattaya,
Pattaya being the worst possible place to be if you actually want to avoid the P4P scene, these lads were not in pattaya for the sex? I find that hard to believe and think they were possibly pulling you leg. There are places to go in thailand where you will find more foreigners and less of the bargirl scene , bangkok, pattaya and paton are probably best avoided in your case.
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29-03-2005, 19:55
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No Tarzan, I am saying that a guy that would be with a bar girl is not the kind of guy I would be with. Has nothing to do with moral judgements has to do with personality types I like. Yes I use the fat farang thing but I actually have picked that up from Thai girls I am friends with, and they have lived here all their lives, so their observation not mine, though there is a huge proportion of them I must admit.
Now as for telling the girls I am not interested, yes it works for guys but what do I tell them I am not interested in, their attention and desire to speak to me. Most of them sit around me and want to know where I got jewelry or touch my hair, my breasts even, or just want to chat, almost like children starved for attention. So while it is easy for the guys to say, not interested, that is the end. I am working here and on my own do when I first went out in BKK it was on my own and when I move to Phuket it will be on my own. I therefore have no reason other than, "You annoy me" to get rid of them. And I am not so rude, I am quite nice actually to everyone(though you seem to think I am some kind of *****). I also CANT just go home, I work here so I have no choice but to be here right now. Thanks Tally for the tip. I will defintely check it out. Any other suggestions are EVER so welcome!LivinLos I am waiting for your list!
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29-03-2005, 20:06
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You say they talk to you in the bar...You dont think it is because you come as a single girl sitting alone? That they maybe not only see money in you, but also try to be nice.... Think you are some kind of *****? I dont know yet, but you give the impression to be a feminazi so far...
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29-03-2005, 20:06
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OK I want to make something clear to everyone. I am not up my own ****. I am not making moral judgements, and I am here because it is my job that took me here. I love Thai people, I love asia, I like many many things here. But like most people I want to go out and have fun sometimes, without the hassle of something I do not like having to be there everywhere I go!
To let you know what type of person I am, as many of you accusing me of judging are really really judging me...I am very outgoing, wild, and have done some crazy things in my life! I like sex shows, and loved living in the red light district in amsterdam, but I also want to be able to go away from that when I want or when I find it too much, which here in Thailand it can be! So please don't judge me by saying I am judgemental. I am here looking for advice, not to get hopped on because I am not a cheerleader for the sex scene here! Giuseppe, thanks for your advice! I appreciate it! And others who have given advice! Butterflyblonde, the guys I met were mostly with their parents and not at all into the scene and some were even freaked out by it if I am honest. Many had been to Kao Lak or Samui and because of fear of damage their families went there instead this year, so that should explain some of why they were there. I too had no clue that this was the case there. Even on a weekend to Hua Hin it was this way, families or the sex scene...nothing in between!
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29-03-2005, 20:12
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I am anything but a feminazi. I have been here 3 months so far. I am so far from a feminazi that it is unreal. Like I said, I am a very open person who has done wild shit in my life. I am known for getting my kit off after too many drinks and am VERY wild. I love hanging out with all sorts of people. Just because this particular scene turns me off does not mean I am a bad judgemental person. I am SIMPLY asking for advice from people as to where I can go to not be caught up in all this. I am not trying to spoil anyone elses fun, or doing anything else to change Thailand or stop prostitution...I think they should legalise it to protect all parties involved!
ALL I am asking for is advice on where to go and not have to be subjected to it. And yes, I think some of the girls are coming up to me to be nice, no doubt, but when you get surrounded by them it can be a bit much.
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29-03-2005, 20:14
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Eurogirl I see what you mean, although I may not entirely agree with your thoughts I have just PM'd you
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29-03-2005, 20:15
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Defensive on the part of whom ?? EuroThaiGirls poor opinion of thailands 'working girls' or our opinions of why we like them ??
If you see some of her other posts (and I had not when I first posted in this) she has a very bad opinion and attitude to Thai girls that might sleep withg western guys.. I know quite a selection of part timers that are not looking to get paid per night (though they desperately do need money).. They are looking for someone to take core of them, they are looking for someone to love them, they are looking for somone to have a stable family life with.. Fact of the matter is its hard for these girls to find someone who is relationship minded, many guys want to fcuk em and move on.. So this makes them 'bad girls' the way her other posts read (had so many coks its nearly like sleeping with a LB etc) shows a deep resentment.. My advice is get used to it. You aint in Kansas anymore Dorithy and your lucky enough that you have the ability (that few of the women she is criticising have) that you can click your ruby slippers and go home... If the 'scene' really offends you.. Patong will be hard (Chalong is to sedate for me but thats where you can avoid the girls).. all of the discos become pick up joints but no worse than any Euro meat market I have been too.. Tiger / Dragon / Safari and (slightly less so) Tai Pan Baya etc all can be enoyed for music and fun rather than the scene with the right attitude.. Bangla bars like Kangaroo / U2 / etc are not girl pick up joints.. Its all about attitude.. I have had my father out here to stay with no issues.. Will probably have my mother come out and stay this year.. I see nothing shameful about living and enjoying this lifestyle (tho will probably calm the pool orgies down while my mother stays just have to use Jans pool in Valhalla !!)...
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29-03-2005, 20:24
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Wow that thread moved fast.. From IreMarks post I replied and there are 4 more in there.
Theres lots of places you can go for a quiet drink but if you want nightlife, pretty much in most of Asia it will have the edge of sex to it.. Jakata / HK / etc and thats without Vientienne / Phom Phen etc where it has sex and violence.. All I can say is when you get here, if you dont have a bad attitude about the place in general, I would happily go around the disco's and bars giving you some into to places where drink is more common than sex.. If you find the ratio is still too high.. Nothing we can do can change the place to your satisfaction.. You have the 'hardship posting' so many i know would kill for
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29-03-2005, 20:32
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I really can't believe how judgemental people are if someone comes here and is not saying "rah rah yay yay what a great scene".
My comments on the LB thread were in no way a "resentment" toward thai women. I know many fine Thai women. My comments were about how judgemental many of the posters on there were and the fact that people who get paid for sex have seen there fair share of **** so if these guys are so paranoid then perhaps they need to think of that as well. If you noticed I was very defensive of Thai culture on that thread and not at all judgemental. What is unfortunate is that it seems there is some forms of judging that people here accept and others that are not accepted. For the final time, I will reiterate that I do not like the scene and I do not mind saying that. I do not prevent anyone else from doing as they please but my purpose on this thread was to ask those of you who know more about Phuket where I can go and have fun the way I want to. I see many threads asking about the best lb's best bg's best bars best **** best tits etc, so what is so wrong with my question? It really raised my suspicion that perhaps people aren't so comfortable with what they are doing when such a high level of defensiveness is raised over a post that was not in any way meant to inflame anyone but rather was asking for my "best place" question.
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